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Just letting you guys know theres allready been a few accounts of guys bottoming out there subs in John wick 3. A guy bottomed his 24 at minute marker 1:44:07. Just thought I would give you guys a heads up.

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Is that time marker right or different from from the 4K disc? There was a moment at 1:48:39 to 1:48:41 that took me by surprise a little. It was definitely stronger than timestamp mentioned.

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Is that time marker right or different from from the 4K disc? There was a moment at 1:48:39 to 1:48:41 that took me by surprise a little. It was definitely stronger than timestamp mentioned.

Yeah it's the 4K disc (same as the blu-ray). Look at the heatmap, you're right, that part is hotter, but more conentrated at 22Hz, rather than a range
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Yeah it's the 4K disc (same as the blu-ray). Look at the heatmap, you're right, that part is hotter, but more conentrated at 22Hz, rather than a range
Well I played the scene several times now. I just don't get it. The two are struggling and shooting up into glass. There is a very brief little bit of pressure change and a sensation in my shoulders, very brief. At no time did I say, this is amazing, hear or feel, my subs were bottoming out. Oh well on to the next movie. I wasn't all that impressed overall with this one. Even less story development than chapter two with more shooting, fighting, and killing than adult action in a pornography. Picture quality was outstanding, Atmos good, Bass so so, but I was easily bored with this one.
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The technical term is "Foley"
You can make the argument that all sound that isn't dialog comes under the heading of Foley (for Jack Foley, the original do-everything sound guy who invented much of the process).

Increasingly, Foley is being used to mean sound effects that are recorded to a projection of the picture so that the recorded Foley sounds are in sync with the picture. Example, the hoof sounds of a horse in an old western. Getting the timing right on things like hoof sounds, or heel sounds as an actor walks down a hall way, is an art form. Which is why the people who are good enough at it to make careers out of it are called Foley artists.

Sound Effects usually mean sound recorded separately from (not in sync with) picture. Example, ringing telephone, door squeaks, that dog barking out the window, cars in the street, etc.

Foley artists can and usually do also record sound effects. Sound Designers often record their own sound effects, but usually employ Foley artists where needed. IOW, there's a fair amount of overlap and the lines that separate them are often fluid.
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Lol! thing is on rain is we don't really hear till it hits the roof, ground top of car etc.. any other time it's novelty at best
for the rain complainers, john wick 3 seems to emphasized rain sound.

when he gets in the taxi it does sound like the rain is hitting the roof of the taxi.

agreed normally rain drops on the floor is not an overhead sound.
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jw3 ? just slept my way to the "knife fight' ... its like they were taking moments during the fight to continue hitting/knifing each other ... lame fake knife throwing btw ... noticed on credits different coordinators for different locations... hoping it gets better ... nothing exciting in sound so far ... tho i didnt enjoy the other wicks either

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jw3 ? just slept my way to the "knife fight' ... its like they were taking moments during the fight to continue hitting/knifing each other ... lame fake knife throwing btw ... noticed on credits different coordinators for different locations... hoping it gets better ... nothing exciting in sound so far ... tho i didnt enjoy the other wicks either
First John Wick was good. Really Good. It had a unique story and feel to it. Key word here STORY. JW2 was not as good with no real story development and just a bunch of action sequences. JW3 took it's 10-15 minutes of story and made it so convoluted I am done with the series. The rest of the movie was fake fighting pornography. The more I look back at the movie, the more I detest it. My biggest disappointment of the year so far.

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Just got done watching Dark Phoenix in 3D.

Quick backstory. Last year I started watching the entire X-Men series with my daughter to catch her up to this point. So we've seen them all quite recently which def helps in my excitement and review of this movie.

The Harkins Theater here is not anything to brag about, just your typical theater. But, I rarely go to one anymore, so now with my knowledge of HT I approach the experience much differently than normal non-avs ppl lol.

With that said, the movie is amazing!! The picture quality was so clear and the colors were BEAUTIFUL!! In the end credits I saw it say Dolby Atmos and Dobly Vision which excites me because almost the whole time I kept thinking to myself that I can't wait to get the 4K and watch it on my OLED in DV!

The 3D may have made it a little darker than I think the normal version would be. The 3D presentation itself was great! I try to watch movies in 3D whenever I can (rarely, once a year if that) so I don't have much knowledge on 3D but we were very happy.

As for the sound, I made a mistake! We arrived at the very start of the trailers and the best 2 seats were already taken. I had to choose between the next 2 best spots. 1 was in the row directly behind the best, and the other was in the front seats for the handicapped. I made a wrong call and chose the handicapped because I didn't want to sacrifice sitting off-center in the row behind the best since I didn't want to sit directly behind them and not be able to put our feet up.

It was too loud! I didn't enjoy it. We also didn't get much of the surrounds and I noticed it from the beginning when they played the "All Around You" (Spheres) trailer. And because we were below the center of the room the bass wasn't the best either. Basically a total fail on my part.

However, i did move for one scene just to see how the actual sound was and it was great! I'm almost positive it's going to be an amazing home mix. At the same time, the X-Men universe has never let me down when it comes to their audio! Watching them all recently was a showcase of how their audio mixes just keeps improving with every new movie they make!

I loved this movie!! I went in blind, not having watched a trailer or anything about it. It surpassed my expectations and the cherry on top is that my daughter and i were able to catch this in theaters together, after all that catching up!

Btw, there is no after credits scene so don't bother waiting like we did lol
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On a similar note, X-Men Apocalypse is one of the best movies I own when it comes to 4K picture quality, so I hope Dark Phoenix gets the same treatment!
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Me too @GeoJustGeo , I watched the streaming version on my projector, and thought it was great. Looking forward to that 4K disc. Something about that little circle just makes me bonkers. Glad vudu has the + disc most of the time.
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I have John Wick 3 in the queue for tomorrow night - was going to be tonight but baseball practice ran late. I enjoyed the first 2, so I’m sure I will this one. It’s strange, I’ve either seen people love the audio on this one or are disappointed.

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Regarding JW3, I watched the uhd disc last night and thought it was ok. Nothing too crazy and I definitely liked the first two a lot more. Story and audio wise.
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Regarding JW3, I watched the uhd disc last night and thought it was ok. Nothing too crazy and I definitely liked the first two a lot more. Story and audio wise.
Have you got REW up and going yet? How about a minidsp?
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Have you got REW up and going yet? How about a minidsp?
I have all the equipment, just extremely busy with work and my little guy(single dad) but I will get everything up and running soon.
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Just a throwback to some of my favorite
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Blade Runner (1982) UHD


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Blade Runner (1982) UHD


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Yes Mr Grey! Love these movies! Is there any difference between the U.S. Warner Bros. and the Japanese Sony version of BR2049 audio wise?
I've heard the Sony version has better pq but assuming they're the same audio.
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Focusing on John Wick 3 from a sound design stand point via 4k disc I must say its no slouch! I'm sure a few will realize the clean transient response when the 12 gauges come out to play and the dynamics are just breath taking! I did find the overall mix (Atmos) and picture quality (Dolby vision) on the outstanding side. The movie itself? Ok if you remember its the same week.
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Yes Mr Grey! Love these movies! Is there any difference between the U.S. Warner Bros. and the Japanese Sony version of BR2049 audio wise?
I've heard the Sony version has better pq but assuming they're the same audio.
The audio is no different as i measured them both but the PQ is different since it was handled by Sony Pictures and not Warner Bros it's sharper and a bit brighter on the Sony Pictures version. The intro on the Warner Bros version is the best but the Sony Pictures version is lame in comparison especially with them forcing their original Sony logo design over their already finished stylized one that was already done and it just ends up looking odd. the audio of intro just doesn't go well with Sony Pictures version compared to the Warner Bros version which seems to be the original.

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First John Wick was good. Really Good. It had a unique story and feel to it. Key word here STORY. JW2 was not as good with no real story development and just a bunch of action sequences. JW3 took it's 10-15 minutes of story and made it so convoluted I am done with the series. The rest of the movie was fake fighting pornography. The more I look back at the movie, the more I detest it. My biggest disappointment of the year so far.
My sentiments also....JW3 reminded me of those video games, where enemies randomly spawn in waves and just mindlessly attack you.

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Question MrGrey,is there any other ultra 4k BR that can compete with Blade Runner 2049 based on the bass slam and Atmos mix?
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JW3 up on the block. At least with the recent posts i've read before watching i have lowered my expectations hopefully enough to find some enjoyment out of it. Based on how JW2 ended i obviously expected JW3 to be a barrage of agents out to kill him throughout. Hopefully i dont find the fight scenes as cheesy as some others have reported.

Also interesting at the different comments on the audio,,, certainly has me more aware to compare my observations once done.
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I have ATMOS running for about a month now I don't really notice the immersion anymore unless the top effects are really pronounced. JW3 sounded natural with what is on and off screen though, no crazy bass (unless running quit hot I suppose) but good sound mix.
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I have ATMOS running for about a month now I don't really notice the immersion anymore unless the top effects are really pronounced. JW3 sounded natural with what is on and off screen though, no crazy bass (unless running quit hot I suppose) but good sound mix.
Go watch Matrix Reloaded now. Decided to finally watch it in 4k, right after I had watched JW3. To me has lot more Atmos effects and stronger bass. Good time.
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Regarding JW3, I watched the uhd disc last night and thought it was ok. Nothing too crazy and I definitely liked the first two a lot more. Story and audio wise.
I watched JW3 the other night and IMO it had decent audio but the bass wasn't anything to write home about especially when compared to JW1. The series itself is taking a a bit of a nose dive as far as story line goes and judging from the ending there will be a JW4 next year. Having said all that I didn't dislike the movie, but as with most series they keep pushing things until it becomes harder and harder to accept the story. As movie franchises continue the story lines become less and less interesting.

However, there is one exception to the rule... Mission Impossible. As that franchise has progressed it has turned out some really good films. Fallout was really good and Rogue Nation was incredible in both story line and audio. It's rare to get that far into a franchise and still have that kind of quality. Sadly John Wick isn't following the MI lead.
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On another note I watched Equalizer 2 with BEQ engaged last night. Now THAT movie has some seriously great bass and intense audio. I was totally immersed in it. SIGH... if only all movies were like that.

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On another note I watched Equalizer 2 with BEQ engaged last night. Now THAT movie has some seriously great bass and intense audio. I was totally immersed in it. SIGH... if only all movies were like that.
Couldn't agree more,,,,, still one of my favorite movies,,, oh and the bass!!! Good lord.
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Just watched Sin City for the first time in probably 8 years. Wow, forgot how much bass is used in this one! The overall mix is really good, but doesn’t have some strange discrete effects placement in a few scenes. Overall it was a great watch and listen.

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I have ATMOS running for about a month now I don't really notice the immersion anymore unless the top effects are really pronounced. JW3 sounded natural with what is on and off screen though, no crazy bass (unless running quit hot I suppose) but good sound mix.
I’ve had Atmos for nearly an year and it definitely depends on the source on whether or not you really notice it. I’ve thought about disabling DSU and Neural:X when watching 5.1 and 7.1 mixes to better train my ears for Atmos and DTS:X, but it’d just too much fun to breat life into some of these tracks. Still not sure which I prefer more DSU or Neural:X. I find Neural:X more aggressive and sometimes distracting, but it sure can be fun.
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On another note I watched Equalizer 2 with BEQ engaged last night. Now THAT movie has some seriously great bass and intense audio. I was totally immersed in it. SIGH... if only all movies were like that.
Sony is the king of UHD right now.......imo, their A/V presentations are ridiculous, even the catalog titles.

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