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The DVD has a "DTS" audio option in the set up menu,,,,,, Have you tried that file as it should be better than "Dolby Digital"? It's likely a moot request as the BD has a very good graph (clearly my memory was off) i doubt even the DVD "DTS" will better it.

Didn't seem to have DTS, did find another DVD with DD 5.1 which looks different, Blu-Ray in Yellow


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First, thank you for replying.

I am looking for signal files since I do not have the equipment to rip the discs myself. I want to use the signal files to create my own BEQs since the iNuke is limited to 20Hz filters. I won't get the same level of BEQ, but my subs only go down to about 15 Hz anyway. My main issue is wanting to extend the 30 Hz high passed movies to 20 Hz using the equipment i already own.
Depending on the movie, BEQ already restore below 30hz content to reasonable levels. You could use current filters (or equivalent) to take advantage of that without any additional work.

If you still want to tweak them, you need to ask for the signal files to the people who do the BEQs; not sure how viable that route would be, depending on how many movies you'd need the signals for.

Another, more rudimentary, approach would be to check the heat maps for the movie, and looking at the overall bass hits make approximate adjustments to your desired levels with your available filters.

I encourage you to make these questions on the BEQ thread, I'm sure there are some people who will be willing to help you, like MOberhardt or 3ll3d00d.

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Depending on the movie, BEQ already restore below 30hz content to reasonable levels. You could use current filters (or equivalent) to take advantage of that without any additional work.

If you still want to tweak them, you need to ask for the signal files to the people who do the BEQs; not sure how viable that route would be, depending on how many movies you'd need the signals for.

Another, more rudimentary, approach would be to check the heat maps for the movie, and looking at the overall bass hits make approximate adjustments to your desired levels with your available filters.

I encourage you to make these questions on the BEQ thread, I'm sure there are some people who will be willing to help you, like MOberhardt or 3ll3d00d.

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Most of those BEQs use filters below 20Hz for use with a MiniDSP 2x4HD. My equipment only allows filters down to 20Hz. I'll try asking over there again, but questions about the signal files have gone unanswered. Since there are graphs here with the same information, I thought I would see if the master bass list and BEQ threads were using common files containing FRDs or similar outputs of peak and average levels.
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Didn't seem to have DTS, did find another DVD with DD 5.1 which looks different, Blu-Ray in Yellow


Ok thanks for checking. My DVD copy has the DTS audio option.

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Most of those BEQs use filters below 20Hz for use with a MiniDSP 2x4HD. My equipment only allows filters down to 20Hz. I'll try asking over there again, but questions about the signal files have gone unanswered. Since there are graphs here with the same information, I thought I would see if the master bass list and BEQ threads were using common files containing FRDs or similar outputs of peak and average levels.
Again, depending on how much filtered the movie is, they'll use filters accordingly. If a movie is heavily filtered at 30hz and above, you'll find filters for the 20-30 region. If you can't use filters below 20hz, then those BEQs are useless to you.

People doing BEQs or graphs generally use their own files. So asking for those files might not be practical, but it depends on the person. I'd rather work with what you do have. Graphs and heatmaps can be very useful.

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Ok thanks for checking. My DVD copy has the DTS audio option.

If you have a DVD drive on your PC, feel free to grab the track and throw it into BEQDesigner
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If you have a DVD drive on your PC, feel free to grab the track and throw it into BEQDesigner
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My dvd had DTS as well.

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You may find the following info interesting, posted originally by Shredhead in the following thread: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/topic/4...ovies/?p=11801

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I found it interesting how much weaker the DVD's dolby digital mix was than the DTS mix. And I was really surprised to see that the DVD's DTS mix is actually hotter than the Bluray's master audio DTS track.
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You may find the following info interesting, posted originally by Shredhead in the following thread: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/topic/4...ovies/?p=11801

Interesting! Appreciate you posting this. I've always thought the blu ray seemed a bit weaker for the bass level vs what I remembered of the DTS track, but I thought it was in my head. Looks like it actually is lower in level.
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You sure you're not thinking of Master and Commander, and U-571?


I think so.
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You may find the following info interesting, posted originally by Shredhead in the following thread: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/topic/4...ovies/?p=11801
HURRAY!!!! redemption,,,,,, my old man brain does have some memory left lol. Thanks for posting this.

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Couldn't resist ordering the regular ol' dvd of War of the Worlds lol
Must try the DTS track and compare it to my blu ray.
Curious to see how it looks upscaled on my 900e too.
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Couldn't resist ordering the regular ol' dvd of War of the Worlds lol
Well, that's something new . But are you sure it has the DTS track? I think I read some DVDs don't have it.

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Well, that's something new . But are you sure it has the DTS track? I think I read some DVDs don't have it.

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I looked at the back cover and it said dd and dts so we shall see! It was only a couple bucks too
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Just got done watching What Men Want. Not the typical type movie mentioned here. Bass? Obviously no explosions or a crazy sound with a special effect. It did however have a music score that had some fun bass that vibrated my seats good. I needed a good laugh and it delivered. Even though it is only DTS 7.1, Neural X did a great job with height speakers.
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Alright... all this talk of War Of The Worlds has inspired me to marry the great DVD Bass to the Blu-ray audio! For those of you who know how to Remux with MKVToolnix, you can just slip this DTS-HD MA 5.1 badboy right in and be enjoying you some Pod Emergence Bass in HD, baby!

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Great post, thanks for both recommendations. There are some movies that a not necessarily bass monsters, but still can feature a great soundtrack. The original movie is a favorite of my mom, so I've watched many times, fun movie. She'd be probably interested in the remake.

Also, thanks for sharing your impressions, I enjoyed reading it. You have a really nice system.

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Alright... all this talk of War Of The Worlds has inspired me to marry the great DVD Bass to the Blu-ray audio! For those of you who know how to Remux with MKVToolnix, you can just slip this DTS-HD MA 5.1 badboy right in and be enjoying you some Pod Emergence Bass in HD, baby!
Nice! I wish I had a way of remux. But this is a great share.


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So the end of my bass movie trifecta has ended watching Jupiter Ascending which will be descending into my CD shredder because the movie had the potential of serious bass but man was it weak! It sounded like there was a band-pass on woofer to sub bass. I couldn't believe what I wasn't hearing.

I even cranked up the bass but not that much effect. I didn't want to risk it any higher and then have a scene blow up the system so I had to turn it off.

The whole movie was like that. Can other verify that is what they experienced? I tried different sound tracks...maybe I got a bad disc? It was like I was filling in where the bass should have been...

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Forgive my ignorant question, but which channel(s) exactly does the BEQ utility analyze and chart?
Like is it just the LFE channel, or does it analyze bass from all available channels?
I'm assuming it's pulling the audio directly from the track...

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So the end of my bass movie trifecta has ended watching Jupiter Ascending which will be descending into my CD shredder because the movie had the potential of serious bass but man was it weak! It sounded like there was a band-pass on woofer to sub bass. I couldn't believe what I wasn't hearing.



I even cranked up the bass but not that much effect. I didn't want to risk it any higher and then have a scene blow up the system so I had to turn it off.



The whole movie was like that. Can other verify that is what they experienced? I tried different sound tracks...maybe I got a bad disc? It was like I was filling in where the bass should have been...



Oblivion---great

Blade Runner 2049---awesome

Jupiter Ascending----crap



Ah oh well as the song goes...two out of three aint bad...
Hmm that's odd. I have the uhd version and it shakes my house.
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Hmm that's odd. I have the uhd version and it shakes my house.
I will have to take a closer look at the disc I got from Ebay...It's the blu-ray version. All bass scenes were the same. I thought that I didn't turn on the amp to my subs type of effect. So weird is right...now I will have to open an investigation case and make sure that my system didn't blow up from Blade Runner's crazy bass!

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Make sure dynamic compression was not engaged in the receiver.
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I rewatched Hitman: Unrated and was surprised how much bass it had for a 12 year old movie. The machine guns in the arms dealer scene were nice and low. Then at the end with the helicopter scene those guns were also good. However in the same breathe the helicopter itself had no bass what-so-ever. Just don't go expecting Den of Thieves if anyone watches this again.
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I will have to take a closer look at the disc I got from Ebay...It's the blu-ray version. All bass scenes were the same. I thought that I didn't turn on the amp to my subs type of effect. So weird is right...now I will have to open an investigation case and make sure that my system didn't blow up from Blade Runner's crazy bass!
Heat map for the ATMOS track, which is the same for both BD and UHD ( regular track right side):



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Nice @AmerCa. I thought/felt some great bass moments in Jupiter Ascending. Might need to rewatch that one again, with the BOSS!
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Nice @AmerCa. I thought/felt some great bass moments in Jupiter Ascending. Might need to rewatch that one again, with the BOSS!
Wow. You have a BOSS? Awesome, man.

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