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Batwoman (2019) has some really good LFE, guys! Don't listen to all the haters and the controversy... its got couch-shaking gunshots throughout the series!

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Watched Underwater last night. Nice bass movie... bass had an almost constant presence throughout the movie and really added a lot to the effect of the suspense.
I thought this was a pretty good one as well.
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Hi folks,

Here's my thoughts on the Atmos vs DTS-HD version of War of the Worlds. I've included some RTA graphs of some of the scenes so you can see what it's doing in my room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPicBnYmkY


TLDR - The Atmos track is definitely filtered under 30hz and does indeed affect rumble down under. Surprisingly, I feel the upper bass is a bit more nuanced and defined in the Atmos mix. The overhead effects stand out more in the Atmos mix. Still, that under 30hz stuff is the fun stuff! BEQ helps but still doesn't reach the levels of the DTS-HD track.
Nicely done man, definitely shows it off well!

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Hi folks,

Here's my thoughts on the Atmos vs DTS-HD version of War of the Worlds. I've included some RTA graphs of some of the scenes so you can see what it's doing in my room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPicBnYmkY


TLDR - The Atmos track is definitely filtered under 30hz and does indeed affect rumble down under. Surprisingly, I feel the upper bass is a bit more nuanced and defined in the Atmos mix. The overhead effects stand out more in the Atmos mix. Still, that under 30hz stuff is the fun stuff! BEQ helps but still doesn't reach the levels of the DTS-HD track.
Very good video you made and posted on YouTube. Thanks.
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Hi folks,

Here's my thoughts on the Atmos vs DTS-HD version of War of the Worlds. I've included some RTA graphs of some of the scenes so you can see what it's doing in my room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPicBnYmkY


TLDR - The Atmos track is definitely filtered under 30hz and does indeed affect rumble down under. Surprisingly, I feel the upper bass is a bit more nuanced and defined in the Atmos mix. The overhead effects stand out more in the Atmos mix. Still, that under 30hz stuff is the fun stuff! BEQ helps but still doesn't reach the levels of the DTS-HD track.
Nice to see these graphs dynamically in action!
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Hi folks,

Here's my thoughts on the Atmos vs DTS-HD version of War of the Worlds. I've included some RTA graphs of some of the scenes so you can see what it's doing in my room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPicBnYmkY


TLDR - The Atmos track is definitely filtered under 30hz and does indeed affect rumble down under. Surprisingly, I feel the upper bass is a bit more nuanced and defined in the Atmos mix. The overhead effects stand out more in the Atmos mix. Still, that under 30hz stuff is the fun stuff! BEQ helps but still doesn't reach the levels of the DTS-HD track.
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Hi folks,

Here's my thoughts on the Atmos vs DTS-HD version of War of the Worlds. I've included some RTA graphs of some of the scenes so you can see what it's doing in my room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFPicBnYmkY


TLDR - The Atmos track is definitely filtered under 30hz and does indeed affect rumble down under. Surprisingly, I feel the upper bass is a bit more nuanced and defined in the Atmos mix. The overhead effects stand out more in the Atmos mix. Still, that under 30hz stuff is the fun stuff! BEQ helps but still doesn't reach the levels of the DTS-HD track.
When you lose the low end it always brings out the clarity of the midbass, the key is to balance that so you get full bandwidth. Why? Because life is full bandwidth and will always sound more natural that way as we live in it.

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When you lose the low end it always brings out the clarity of the midbass, the key is to balance that so you get full bandwidth. Why? Because life is full bandwidth and will always sound more natural that way as we live in it.
We're not here for midbass.
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We're not here for midbass.
Either am I.
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When you lose the low end it always brings out the clarity of the midbass, the key is to balance that so you get full bandwidth. Why? Because life is full bandwidth and will always sound more natural that way as we live in it.
I think for 2 channel music listening this would be more true for me personally.

For movies however, experiencing bass below 15Hz has really changed the movie experience. It gives you that feeling like you are there. The tactile response is also pretty cool.


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I agree, I am a ULF junkie. The poster mentioned that the Atmos mix seemed to have more midbass clarity, that can happen when you chop off the low end. It does not make it better IMHO. I run an extreme house curve for low end.



That 68hz dip goes away with a different mic position at a different seat, etc.

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I agree, I am a ULF junkie. The poster mentioned that the Atmos mix seemed to have more midbass clarity, that can happen when you chop off the low end. It does not make it better IMHO. I run an extreme house curve for low end.



That 68hz dip goes away with a different mic position at a different seat, etc.
Thanks for clarifying about the midbass. It's cool to know why I was hearing certain things on the Atmos track. And that extreme house curve What I wouldn't give to have THAT. Whenever I refer to people that have crazy systems, you are definitely high up on that small list haha
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Finally got around to watching the 4K Atmos disc of Rise of Skywalker today. It definitely did not disappoint. The waves on the planet with the Death Star ruins were great. That throne room scene with the lightning was also good, though not as impactful with my PB-2000 as I was hoping it would be (nowhere close to Cloverfield Paradox, and pretty short). Looking forward to watching the rest of the set (wife got me the best buy boxed set edition). I sampled some early bits of Episode IV to compare to the Atmos track in the Disney+ app after I'd heard it there first when I realized it was in Atmos. Surprisingly good bass for a 40+ year old soundtrack. Doesn't seem to have the super low stuff, but that's probably the recording limitations at the time etc. although scenes like the door blowing open at the beginning seem a bit boomy/muddled almost like they just boosted the gain down there and didn't clean it up.
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OK my weekend ended up busier than expected. I finally got some time to re-watch some of the War of the Worlds scenes on Blu-Ray to compare to 4K. Yes, yes there is a lot of bass missing. The DTS track just had more weight and air pressure to the sound. It shook the seats considerably more.The laser blasts are far more impactful with the DTS track Another thing I noticed was the other end of the spectrum. The highs, shrills, ear piercing sounds were hotter/louder than the Atmos mix. The Atmos mix I personally prefer. The overall definition of sound is superior in my opinion. Yes having that extra low end would have been nice bu oh well. That Atmos and the far, far superior image quality makes the buy well worth it for me.

I watched Top Gun as well tonight. Picture is great, Atmos is great. The afterburner blasts were felt, but feel there is potential for more. The plane explosions towards the end were good but nothing special. One stand out scene where Atmos really shined was the first classroom scene. All the sound activity of being on airbase was presented really well.

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OK my weekend ended up busier than expected. I finally got some time to re-watch some of the War of the Worlds scenes on Blu-Ray to compare to 4K. Yes, yes there is a lot of bass missing. The DTS track just had more weight and air pressure to the sound. It shook the seats considerably more.The laser blasts are far more impactful with the DTS track Another thing I noticed was the other end of the spectrum. The highs, shrills, ear piercing sounds were hotter/louder than the Atmos mix. The Atmos mix I personally prefer. The overall definition of sound is superior in my opinion. Yes having that extra low end would have been nice bu oh well. That Atmos and the far, far superior image quality makes the buy well worth it for me.

I watched Top Gun as well tonight. Picture is great, Atmos is great. The afterburner blasts were felt, but feel there is potential for more. The plane explosions towards the end were good but nothing special. One stand out scene where Atmos really shined was the first classroom scene. All the sound activity of being on airbase was presented really well.
Yeah, they did the same thing to Top Gun as they did to WotW’s. Nowhere near as bad as the latter and still an enjoyable Atmos experience.

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I agree, I am a ULF junkie. The poster mentioned that the Atmos mix seemed to have more midbass clarity, that can happen when you chop off the low end. It does not make it better IMHO. I run an extreme house curve for low end.



That 68hz dip goes away with a different mic position at a different seat, etc.



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When you lose the low end it always brings out the clarity of the midbass, the key is to balance that so you get full bandwidth. Why? Because life is full bandwidth and will always sound more natural that way as we live in it.
What frequency range is low end considered to be? What about midbass?
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Just got done with Invisible Man. It definitely has some good bass effects. Certainly more bass than the Top Gun Atmos mix. They took a trick from A Quiet Place by having quiet moments with subtle sounds. They did a great job of Atmos. Many times it had me fooled thinking something was going on in the house. The advantage of a basic setup where you can hear your cats knocking stuff over upstairs. You get to question the sound effects instead of knowing it is the movie in your sound proof dedicated space.

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When you lose the low end it always brings out the clarity of the midbass, the key is to balance that so you get full bandwidth. Why? Because life is full bandwidth and will always sound more natural that way as we live in it.
What frequency range is low end considered to be? What about midbass?
We are talking about WOTW UHD having a 30hz high pass filter and the effects on the bass the poster was speaking.

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We are talking about WOTW UHD having a 30hz high pass filter and the effects on the bass the poster was speaking.
Thanks.

But I meant it as a general question, not related to what you guys were talking about.

I wanted to know what frequency range is midbass considered to be? 80 Hz - 200 Hz? Everywhere I look, I get a different/varying answer. It seems there is no set answer? What about VLF? Is that anything below 20 Hz? What is the range between VLF and midbass (20 Hz and 80 Hz?) called?
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But I meant it as a general question, not related to what you guys were talking about.



I wanted to know what frequency range is midbass considered to be? 80 Hz - 200 Hz? Everywhere I look, I get a different/varying answer. It seems there is no set answer? What about VLF? Is that anything below 20 Hz? What is the range between VLF and midbass (20 Hz and 80 Hz?) called?
Upper bass 80 to 160hz
Mid bass 40 to 80hz
Low bass 20 to 40hz
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Upper bass 80 to 160hz
Mid bass 40 to 80hz
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There are differences as where midbass is concerned. I always thought of it as 50-150hz, ULF or VLF 3-19hz.

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Thought for low bass its

ULF 30-20hz

ELF 20hz and below
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ULF 30-20hz

ELF 20hz and below
Agreed, anything under 30Hz is ULF to me.

For mid bass most of the boom is from 60-80 Hz so that is my narrow definition.

Google is even more confusing but technically it is much higher, psasound says "Midbass is that all-important frequency range between 200Hz and 500Hz" another result said 140Hz to 400Hz.

Clear as mud!

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Magnitude Bassquake Effects:


2.5 or less Usually not felt, but can be recorded by seismograph.

*Most of the public that watch on their phones or tablets and don't care about bass in movies.

2.5 to 5.4 Often felt, but only causes minor damage.

*First time home buyers who have some space and little money to dedicate to home theater.

5.5 to 6.0 Slight damage to buildings and other structures.

*Homeowner to got a raise and now can upgrade to better equipment and now can appreciate what bass can do in movies.

6.1 to 6.9 May cause a lot of damage in very populated areas.

*First time poster in AVS Ultimate Bass in Movies who wants to a learn more about this cool hobby!

7.0 to 7.9 Major Bassquake. Serious damage.

*Experienced poster in AVS that has devoted most of their family income to home theater and if still married and all living under the same roof...enjoying what truly is nirvana!

8.0 or greater Great Bassquake. Can totally destroy communities near the epicenter.

*Is what we all try to achieve without killing ourselves!
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