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Pretty sure it is
The reason why xover is deemed best at 80hz is because if it's lower we start playing with modal issues, THX should know what they are talking about after decades of research and experience IMO

"thunder rolls around the room" what he must be hearing is localized bass from the surrounds hence the expression "rolls around", when setup correctly it should just be thunder and rumble unable to be put a finger on it where it comes from.

... but if that's what he likes... however this is a typical example of a room needing a lot of work to be properly setup and then comes the light-bulb moment when heard for the first time properly done , been there done it.
it also could bad summation at 80Hz and going lower fixes it? IDK TBH
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it also could bad summation at 80Hz and going lower fixes it? IDK TBH
Could be which is why I suspect as i mentioned it would need a lot of work for sure.

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Kieth's room is not optimal. It is the living room of his house with a big window to the right open to the dinning and patio doors to the left. Whole area is open to the kitchen and hallways leading to bedrooms. On top of the the ceiling is sloped. Despite all that his system sounds good and those PB16 ultras helped convince me I needed more sub. I thought I was good with a single PSA XS-30se, coming from a dinky Yamaha sub, before I felt the tactile response his system has.

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this the first time i heard this, are sure its not a placebo?
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Pretty sure it is
The reason why xover is deemed best at 80hz is because if it's lower we start playing with modal issues, THX should know what they are talking about after decades of research and experience IMO

"thunder rolls around the room" what he must be hearing is localized bass from the surrounds hence the expression "rolls around", when setup correctly it should just be thunder and rumble unable to be put a finger on it where it comes from.

... but if that's what he likes... however this is a typical example of a room needing a lot of work to be properly setup and then comes the light-bulb moment when heard for the first time properly done , been there done it.
Yeah, as in my original post, it's a personal preference thing IMO, and that's IF the owner's Surrounds are even capable of playing content that low. Few are, most go with smaller, cheaper speakers for Surrounds, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's common practice. However, I've also read elsewhere in these Forums of people who use full Towers as Surrounds and swear by it! *shrug*

In my particular system and space, which only applies to me because everyone's setup is different.......yes, thunder is absolutely discernible and swirls around the listener. I'm so satisfied with that aspect I feel no need to experiment further LOL! Well, except more/cleaner power to my speakers eventually......

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Kieth's room is not optimal. It is the living room of his house with a big window to the right open to the dinning and patio doors to the left. Whole area is open to the kitchen and hallways leading to bedrooms. On top of the the ceiling is sloped. Despite all that his system sounds good and those PB16 ultras helped convince me I needed more sub. I thought I was good with a single PSA XS-30se, coming from a dinky Yamaha sub, before I felt the tactile response his system has.
LOL "not optimal" is an understatement! My space is pretty horrible, acoustically. Still, I'd estimate the weakest point is my Prime Elevations which I use as Atmos, despite having a dedicated power amp for the 4 of them. Optimally I'd want 1 or 2 more amps for the 7 Main channels, with nothing driven direct from my AVR; maybe someday! That 72Hz null you measured does niggle at me, and due to the overall massive size of my space I'll never get the full "chest slam" effect because pressurizing the whole area would be nigh impossible. The saving grace is my carpeted wood subfloor over a small crawlspace....so I DO at least get plenty of floor shake. I somewhat suspect the crawlspace may actually serve to reverberate and amplify certain frequencies, akin to the effect I get on my car by having eliminated the exhaust after the mufflers and installing simple turn-downs, so the sound bounces between the road and the underbody of the car; making my 5L smallblock Mustang sound like a big block! My unofficial measurement of how good ULF in a movie is includes seeing how many disc cases get knocked off my coffee table (have 6 or so stacks about 10-12 high) and whether items get knocked off my microwave in my kitchen (2 "rooms" away but still in the combined open space).

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Yeah, as in my original post, it's a personal preference thing IMO, and that's IF the owner's Surrounds are even capable of playing content that low. Few are, most go with smaller, cheaper speakers for Surrounds, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's common practice. However, I've also read elsewhere in these Forums of people who use full Towers as Surrounds and swear by it! *shrug*

In my particular system and space, which only applies to me because everyone's setup is different.......yes, thunder is absolutely discernible and swirls around the listener. I'm so satisfied with that aspect I feel no need to experiment further LOL! Well, except more/cleaner power to my speakers eventually......



LOL "not optimal" is an understatement! My space is pretty horrible, acoustically. Still, I'd estimate the weakest point is my Prime Elevations which I use as Atmos, despite having a dedicated power amp for the 4 of them. Optimally I'd want 1 or 2 more amps for the 7 Main channels, with nothing driven direct from my AVR; maybe someday! That 72Hz null you measured does niggle at me, and due to the overall massive size of my space I'll never get the full "chest slam" effect because pressurizing the whole area would be nigh impossible. The saving grace is my carpeted wood subfloor over a small crawlspace....so I DO at least get plenty of floor shake. I somewhat suspect the crawlspace may actually serve to reverberate and amplify certain frequencies, akin to the effect I get on my car by having eliminated the exhaust after the mufflers and installing simple turn-downs, so the sound bounces between the road and the underbody of the car; making my 5L smallblock Mustang sound like a big block! My unofficial measurement of how good ULF in a movie is includes seeing how many disc cases get knocked off my coffee table (have 6 or so stacks about 10-12 high) and whether items get knocked off my microwave in my kitchen (2 "rooms" away but still in the combined open space).
Fair enough!

I've just had a picture fallen off the wall the other day in the cinema and a window very loudly complaining in the next room, that was with a single sub, what happens when I finish this?


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I've just had a picture fallen off the wall the other day in the cinema and a window very loudly complaining in the next room, that was with a single sub, what happens when I finish this?



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I assume it has already been posted, but I went back about 8 pages and didn't see it...has anyone graphed the bass in Extraction 2020? I watched the Netflix version, so likely a lot of compression.
Second Extraction question...anyone know the BR release date for this movie?
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I've just had a picture fallen off the wall the other day in the cinema and a window very loudly complaining in the next room, that was with a single sub, what happens when I finish this?


Holy WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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I assume it has already been posted, but I went back about 8 pages and didn't see it...has anyone graphed the bass in Extraction 2020? I watched the Netflix version, so likely a lot of compression.
Second Extraction question...anyone know the BR release date for this movie?
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I've just had a picture fallen off the wall the other day in the cinema and a window very loudly complaining in the next room, that was with a single sub, what happens when I finish this?
Wow! What sub build is that?

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I just purchased a PSA TV3612 to pair with my V3600I! I can’t wait to get it and see if I can make my theater seats float!
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Some great movies listed. Looking forward to checking some out I haven't seen in a while.
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Has the 'Jaws' bass analysis chart (Atmos version) been released? or have I missed it?

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Has the 'Jaws' bass analysis chart (Atmos version) been released? or have I missed it?

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Old classic like jaws i doubt theres much quality bass content recorded during those days. BEQ may not bring out any true bass as well.

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Is it me or they forgot the bass completly on the Top Gun Atmos track? What a disappointment compared to the DTS-HD track...
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No @jsgrise , I am with you. The Atmos was nice, but maybe a moment or two...
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No @jsgrise , I am with you. The Atmos was nice, but maybe a moment or two...
The Atmos is very nice as far as clarity, steering and everything, but damn the bass is as weak as it gets...
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Just watched Skyfall. Really good mix, with nice lows and strong bass when needed. Nothing over the top, the building explosion felt strong and sudden, the metro station and the house explosion had really nice depth.
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Is it me or they forgot the bass completly on the Top Gun Atmos track? What a disappointment compared to the DTS-HD track...
definitely toned down the bass compared to the dts 6.1 mix. the cockpit ejection scene and last two explosions in the final battle still carry some weight but yeah I want the afterburners to peel my face off and they just don't. The music however sounds better than ever!
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Yes, they neutered the bass. Requires BEQ to get it back.
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What's the audio like on the new Top Gun 4k, is it as good as the picture ?
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What's the audio like on the new Top Gun 4k, is it as good as the picture ?
Clarity of sound and Atmos? Yes. Bass? NOPE!

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post #18148 of 18441 Old 06-05-2020, 11:31 AM
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Clarity of sound and Atmos? Yes. Bass? NOPE!
That's a shame, I will give it a miss then.
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What's the audio like on the new Top Gun 4k, is it as good as the picture ?
The Atmos track is very engaging and a fun listen. Unfortunately, they didn’t include the same bass track that is on the Blu-ray release. It’s quite noticeable.

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Is it me or they forgot the bass completly on the Top Gun Atmos track? What a disappointment compared to the DTS-HD track...
You miss all that overcooked distortion & clipping?

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