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Watching at -8MV no DEQ and just 4.5DB gain on subs. Anyone have the timestamp of the infamous grenade scene? Should i turn down my MV for this lol. Thanks!!

Why ruin the surprise?

Seriously though, if I knew it, I would tell you. With your Funks, I highly doubt it will be an issue. Especially at -3.5 (overall sub level).
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Why ruin the surprise?

Seriously though, if I knew it, I would tell you. With your Funks, I highly doubt it will be an issue. Especially at -3.5 (overall sub level).
Ha,,, only ended up with a 5a draw on that sequence so plenty of headroom left.

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Ha,,, only ended up with a 5a draw on that sequence so plenty of headroom left.
Yeah that scene (at those levels) shouldn't pose any threat to the Funks.....did it make your house cry uncle though?. The WWZ hand grenade scene always makes my windows sound like they are going to pop out of their tracks! Loudest I have pushed it is Ref Level with subs ~3dB hot and it was pretty crazy

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Yeah that scene (at those levels) shouldn't pose any threat to the Funks.....did it make your house cry uncle though?. The WWZ hand grenade scene always makes my windows sound like they are going to pop out of their tracks! Loudest I have pushed it is Ref Level with subs ~3dB hot and it was pretty crazy
Yes, even with the new thick laminated glass i put in all the windows/patio door, that bass drop was trying to pop them out lol. Since ive seen an 11/12a power draw registered on my Funks before without activating the limiter today that scene only pulled 5amps so certainly could have gotten more aggressive with the MV.
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26 minutes into my very first watch of Word WarZ Yeah yeah i know lol,,, anyway (keep in mind i have no Atmos speakers yet, just 7.2). I decided to go back and forth between DTS-HD-MSTR and DTS-HD-MSTR+neural-X,, in my brief exchange between those formats, my observations are, more clarity/details with Neural-X engaged in each channel and overall , but definitely a noticeable bump in bass and dynamics without.

Watching at -8MV no DEQ and just 4.5DB gain on subs. Anyone have the timestamp of the infamous grenade scene? Should i turn down my MV for this lol. Thanks!!
That's my observation too however I wouldn't call it clarity its just louder, more pronounced action which I dislike, its like bumping up the treble on some channels. The main disadvantage though is the lack of dynamics which makes me turn off Neural right away.

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I finished the final season of Dark last night. The last couple episodes have some good ULF, specially the scenes with the god particle. What a mind trip of a series just like Westworld.

Now i am awaiting Netflix to ship me Guns Akimbo on BD.
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I finished the final season of Dark last night. The last couple episodes have some good ULF, specially the scenes with the god particle. What a mind trip of a series just like Westworld.

Now i am awaiting Netflix to ship me Guns Akimbo on BD.
I am finishing up S2 of Dark ATM, and i couldn’t agree more: what a mindbender of a show Dark is !!!!! And everything about it is sooo thought out, the score, the effects, the story, the way they shoot it, ULF, surround activity. Sooo cool 😁😁😁

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That's my observation too however I wouldn't call it clarity its just louder, more pronounced action which I dislike, its like bumping up the treble on some channels. The main disadvantage though is the lack of dynamics which makes me turn off Neural right away.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
I probably didn't word it quite right, with neural-X it wasn't "louder" just more fine details/definition throughout imo (as you stated possibly just a bit more treble). With neural-X, off i noticed a bit thicker of a sound including a touch more bass,, just to add,,with it on,, in my experience, bass and dynamics were not missing,,, certainly nothing that 1 extra DB of gain or trim wouldn't resolve.

That was a brief experiment so will revisit with other material but since i've had it engaged for a while all the ULF movies still want to push the glass of of my window frames and thats with 5400^3 to fill.
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I probably didn't word it quite right, with neural-X it wasn't "louder" just more fine details/definition throughout imo (as you stated possibly just a bit more treble). With neural-X, off i noticed a bit thicker of a sound including a touch more bass,, just to add,,with it on,, in my experience, bass and dynamics were not missing,,, certainly nothing that 1 extra DB of gain or trim wouldn't resolve.

That was a brief experiment so will revisit with other material but since i've had it engaged for a while all the ULF movies still want to push the glass of of my window frames and thats with 5400^3 to fill.
Thanks, for me it's too much loss of bass and dynamics so I never bothered, I am just so happy with DSU.
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Kinda in a home theater slump....bored that there are no new movies to rent. I guess I'll go back to bed.
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Kinda in a home theater slump....bored that there are no new movies to rent. I guess I'll go back to bed.

My Netflix DVD list is getting pathetic. There nothing new to add to it . Time to start replacing old standard DVDs that I like with new UHD discs where available.


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Kinda in a home theater slump....bored that there are no new movies to rent. I guess I'll go back to bed.
I still have a backlog of purchases from last black friday that i have yet to watch like Alien UHD. Granted i have seen all these movies but not in 4K. I have even more digital UHD titles. I finally watched Batman Begins last Saturday. Plenty to watch but i have kids so my time is limited.

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I still have a backlog of purchases from last black friday that i have yet to watch like Alien UHD. Granted i have seen all these movies but not in 4K. I have even more digital UHD titles. I finally watched Batman Begins last Saturday. Plenty to watch but i have kids so my time is limited.
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You'll want to fire up The Dark Knight as soon as possible. I used it as a reference disc when I was testing my new sub. Great movie, great bass.
I need to rewatch it but i don't own it. I actually fell inline with Japan viewers which felt it was too brooding. Odd as I normally love brooding movies.

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I probably didn't word it quite right, with neural-X it wasn't "louder" just more fine details/definition throughout imo (as you stated possibly just a bit more treble). With neural-X, off i noticed a bit thicker of a sound including a touch more bass,, just to add,,with it on,, in my experience, bass and dynamics were not missing,,, certainly nothing that 1 extra DB of gain or trim wouldn't resolve.

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Thanks, for me it's too much loss of bass and dynamics so I never bothered, I am just so happy with DSU.
I'm just curious... do you all have your regular speakers crossed over lower than 80Hz?

I'm wondering this because I really can't detect a difference between Neural:X and Dolby Surround's bass and I currently use a 100Hz crossover that works great for my listening habits.
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I'm just curious... do you all have your regular speakers crossed over lower than 80Hz?

I'm wondering this because I really can't detect a difference between Neural:X and Dolby Surround's bass and I currently use a 100Hz crossover that works great for my listening habits.
My last tuning session i had raised my low pass on LFE to 150Hz from 120Hz (default) then ran audyssey. Post audyssey set mains at 110Hz X-over/center at 90Hz/surrounds at 100Hz. Sub gain to achieve pre-audysey DB of 80DB's was set to -18, post audyssey had trim come back at -8.5. Hit the jackpot with this tune. Added 4DB gain on subs to -14,,, and will only bump trim +2DB's at most Never any DEQ.

Watched Ironman last night -10MV +2DB hot on trim. Went back and forth between Dolby and Dolby+Neural-X. To me with neural-X still sounds more refined more details and just cleaner. Lots of bass (all that i would want). Turned off neural-X and right away noticed more bass, much thicker of a sound which took away the clean bubble from neural-X,,, bass sounded a bit bloated to me as well, but could just be that i'm used to the neural-X format.

So far (for me) neural-X for the win as i'm not lacking any bass and just find everything has a cleaner more detailed presentation. Lets keep in mind "EVERY" room is different.
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I'm just curious... do you all have your regular speakers crossed over lower than 80Hz?

I'm wondering this because I really can't detect a difference between Neural:X and Dolby Surround's bass and I currently use a 100Hz crossover that works great for my listening habits.
Mine are x ed over at 80hz. Its got nothing to do with the up-converting format. Neither rooms its to do with manufacturer implementation the way it seems I am pretty sure and how we individually perceive the differences. I am very sensitive to the slightest change. I never "overdo" bass so perhaps that's why I am noticing the lack of it.

My current curve:

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Thank you so much for your generous explanation, guys. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.

One thing I remember distinctly with Neural:X, for all you gaming enthusiasts, is that with Forza Horizon 4, especially when you're at one of your homes, in the menu or looking at vehicles, it seriously sounds like there is some object-enabled sounds going on all around you! Those birds are coming from above, behind on the sides and in places where there are absolutely no speakers in sight!

This is what makes me love my theater. Ofttimes there are sounds that make me suspicious as they don't really sound like they should be a part of the movie's soundtrack I'm watching because they sound like they are literally coming from somewhere in my house. Fools me all the time!
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Thank you so much for your generous explanation, guys. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.

One thing I remember distinctly with Neural:X, for all you gaming enthusiasts, is that with Forza Horizon 4, especially when you're at one of your homes, in the menu or looking at vehicles, it seriously sounds like there is some object-enabled sounds going on all around you! Those birds are coming from above, behind on the sides and in places where there are absolutely no speakers in sight!

This is what makes me love my theater. Ofttimes there are sounds that make me suspicious as they don't really sound like they should be a part of the movie's soundtrack I'm watching because they sound like they are literally coming from somewhere in my house. Fools me all the time!
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Then she squeezed the life out of my hand at the first serious bass note

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Girlfriend first time in my cave watching a movie can't remember what it was but it was a scene on a pasture , she says "do the neighbors have cows or something?" She couldn't locate the surrounds as it was so subtle yet well defined she couldn't believe it wasn't real from outside, it was confirmation to me the setup is right, can't localize the sound
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Mine are x ed over at 80hz. Its got nothing to do with the up-converting format. Neither rooms its to do with manufacturer implementation the way it seems I am pretty sure and how we individually perceive the differences. I am very sensitive to the slightest change. I never "overdo" bass so perhaps that's why I am noticing the lack of it.

My current curve:

50dB steps?! Any curve looks flat at that resolution.

Not saying your response isn't great, but set the Limits to 55dB-105dB and re-post please.

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I hadn't seen the fourth Rambo (2008) until tonight. That was a good action flick. I am surprised the 4K Atmos disc isn't charted on the first page or I remember it being talked about. It had some great bass! The sniper rifle sounds were special, artillery shells had great impact and boy oh boy that final claymore explosion. Even the closing credits has solid bass. For those like me that haven't seen it yet, it is a bass fun movie!
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Wait...there are frequencies higher than 80Hz?

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Wait...there are frequencies higher than 80Hz?
nah, relax... that's just a myth.
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50dB steps?! Any curve looks flat at that resolution.

Not saying your response isn't great, but set the Limits to 55dB-105dB and re-post please.
My purpose with the graph was to show that I am not "overdoing bass" i'd rather only keep a gentle 5db house curve and that's still plenty boom
but here is a closer one.



or the subs raw un EQ-d.


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Avengement

Not huge in bass but awesome movie


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The Outpost (2020)

This one is a bass monster

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