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Man of Steel may not go as low as WW, but has waaaay more tactile bass moments, those graphs just don't tell the whole story, and most rooms/subs aren't gonna hear/feel those frequencies under 20hz anyway, let's just be honest here.

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After finishing Transformers Last Knight I realize that the submarine scene was only a bass intro to the cybertron scene which was an absolutely continuous bass assault that lasted like 20 minutes. Amazing movie for bass.

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I just finished watching "Life".
Sound aside, how is Life as a whole?

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I just watched Man of Steel again tonight, it's just ridiculous audio all around, top 10 in bass, for sure.
WW has some great bass moments, but not a top 10, imo.
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Wonder Woman hits -15dB at 20Hz and -20dB at 10Hz
Man of Steel drops off a cliff after 30Hz (-30dB at 20Hz and -45dB at 10Hz)

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I was about to say, man... I mean, I love Man Of Steel, but Wonder Woman is damn near perfect to me, as a superhero movie and with regard to the soundtrack and bass!

UPDATE: Now I realize tbass2k was speaking of the 4K Dolby Atmos Man Of Steel, which was most likely mixed louder than the graphed DTS-HD MA version, as experience from a few movies here has shown us when comparing their DTS-HD MA to Dolby Atmos soundtracks.

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Giving the Snyder-Nolan-Goyer collaboration another step up over its Blu-ray counterpart is a fantastic, reference-quality Dolby Atmos soundtrack, yielding some amazing results that'll leave fans cheering for more audio upgrades. However, this version is interestingly comparable to its DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack, which is once again repeated on the accompanying Blu-ray, opening right from the start with a wall of sound that doesn't let up until the end credits. Imaging is highly engaging and expansive with lots of background activity that keeps much of the film within the front soundstage.

On the other hand, this lossless mix offers an appreciable improvement with better channel separation and movement across the entire screen. With marvelous, convincing off-screen sounds, the dynamic design is full of warmth and fidelity, peaking into the upper frequencies with room-penetrating clarity while maintaining superb distinction and intelligibility in the dialogue. Filling the screen and the room with the music of Hans Zimmer, a remarkably detailed and sharply extensive mid-range displays each note and individual instrument within the orchestration while nicely bleeding into the front heights for a welcoming half-dome effect. The low-end is responsive with a decently authoritative punch that reverberates through the room, adding some weight to the action and music. Only, it never really digs very deep or extend far into the lower depths (bass chart).

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This is AVSforum.....you mean almost every ones system in this thread is focused on and goes well below 20hz.....


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It seems most guys in this thread have subs that are capable of sub 20hz performance at high levels, myself included, however, from just reading in this and some other subwoofer threads, most guys don't have sealed AND dedicated rooms to get the proper room gain to hear and feel it properly. That's just my opinion from pics and layouts I've seen of many of our HT spaces on here. And as far as MoS is concerned, I hadn't seen it since the blu-ray years ago, with a much inferior sound system than I have now, I highly recommend checking out the 4k disc, just awesome overall, it's now in my top 10 overall tracks, and I appreciate the movie as a whole a lot more than I did at first.



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I just watched WW over the weekend. It has some really good bass. The best bass that I heard over the weekend was from Godzilla (2014) though. That was ridiculous.

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I just watched WW over the weekend. It has some really good bass. The best bass that I heard over the weekend was from Godzilla (2014) though. That was ridiculous.
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I suck at reading those. Not sure if that's good or not. All I know is the bass was glorious

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I suck at reading those. Not sure if that's good or not. All I know is the bass was glorious
Falls off a cliff at 30Hz (= Bad)

The green line needs to be around -10 to -20dB (output level at the far right) When the frequency (bottom) is in the 10Hz - 30Hz range.
If your sub/room is tuned for 30Hz, you're not likely getting anything in movies with Strong ULF content.


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10Hz needs serious wattage to get to 110dB to be "felt", anything less,
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Falls off a cliff at 30Hz (= Bad)

The green line needs to be around -10 to -20dB (output level at the far right) When the frequency (bottom) is in the 10Hz - 30Hz range.
If your sub/room is tuned for 30Hz, you're not likely getting anything in movies with Strong ULF content.


High Green Line closer to the LEFT side of the Graph is a Winner, But you MUST
have the Sub's, The Power, and the Room setup to realize <20Hz material.

10Hz needs serious wattage to get to 110dB to be "felt", anything less,
especially with most off the shelf smaller ported subs, will get nothing but port chuffing when approaching <15Hz content.
Interesting.

I run a SVS PB-2000, it'll easily play below 30hz. I know it won't play the extremely deep stuff well (<15hz) but it's still audible and loud at 17hz when doing a frequency sweep. I need to watch Elysium again, I might have to do that tonight since it's showing really good low output.

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Has 47 Meters Down been graphed? Sorry if i missed it.

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Glad I didn't buy it. A rental it is then.

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UPDATE: Now I realize tbass2k was speaking of the 4K Dolby Atmos Man Of Steel, which was most likely mixed louder than the graphed DTS-HD MA version, as experience from a few movies here has shown us when comparing their DTS-HD MA to Dolby Atmos soundtracks.

...
I'm not entirely sold on this being a good thing.

Not to sidetrack this thread, but I hope we don't end up having to deal with loudness wars in movies in a way that has ruined a lot of music (compressed dynamic range).

I'm reacting to the "wall of sound" throughout the movie that Duarte mentioned in his High Def Digest post. I hope it's just hyperbole. The last thing we want is movies that are all loud, all the time the way most pop songs are now. It sucks out all of the emotion from the music/soundtracks and people just end up turning it down anyway and then bass SPL will take a big hit

I realky hope I'm unnecesarily alarmed and that it is a non issue. I have to research this a bit. i womder if anyone has compiled a list of movie soundtrack dynamic range like has been done for music at dynamic range database http://dr.loudness-war.info/
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Sorry, but every time I see you post this graph my OCD kicks in....

Can you please change the Frequency Axis on that graph from Linear to Logarithmic? The Linear setting makes all octaves equally spaced apart and this is not representative of how it works in the real world, logarithmic is the correct setting.
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I was about to say, man... I mean, I love Man Of Steel, but Wonder Woman is damn near perfect to me, as a superhero movie and with regard to the soundtrack and bass!

UPDATE: Now I realize tbass2k was speaking of the 4K Dolby Atmos Man Of Steel, which was most likely mixed louder than the graphed DTS-HD MA version, as experience from a few movies here has shown us when comparing their DTS-HD MA to Dolby Atmos soundtracks.

Here's what M. Enois Duarte at High Def Digest had to say about Man Of Steel 4K UHD Dolby Atmos version...
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I'm not entirely sold on this being a good thing.

Not to sidetrack this thread, but I hope we don't end up having to deal with loudness wars in movies in a way that has ruined a lot of music (compressed dynamic range).

I'm reacting to the "wall of sound" throughout the movie that Duarte mentioned in his High Def Digest post. I hope it's just hyperbole. The last thing we want is movies that are all loud, all the time the way most pop songs are now. It sucks out all of the emotion from the music/soundtracks and people just end up turning it down anyway and then bass SPL will take a big hit

I realky hope I'm unnecesarily alarmed and that it is a non issue. I have to research this a bit. i womder if anyone has compiled a list of movie soundtrack dynamic range like has been done for music at dynamic range database http://dr.loudness-war.info/
The ATMOS mix drops off after 30Hz, same as the DTS-HD MA.

The ATMOS graph doesn't show the output levels to the right,
but there's no doubt the output drops significantly after 30Hz
...the reviewer backed up the graph with his comments:

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adding some weight to the action and music. Only, it never really digs very deep or extend far into the lower depths "
ATMOS


DTS-HD MA


I have the 4K ATMOS version, it's the only version I have (and is over a year old, July 2016 release)
...it's not bad for bass output, I'm not saying that at all.
Just that it doesn't measure up to Wonder Woman, and the numbers don't lie.

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I just watched The Babadook tonight. In the dark. All alone. For the genre it has some intense, deep rumble rumble rumble.
This movie should be listed as a Comedy... me and my cousin were laughing our arses off all the way through it!

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The last two sine waves (guessing 10 & 5hz?) just made a flapping noise through the sub. I can't imagine very many people have a sub that can actually reproduce that opening scene at all, much less without distortion? A sealed 18" with at least 1000w has to be cutting it close. Adding more ported subs would help me punch out the 15hz sine wave but the 10hz... I'm not even trying to chase down that frequency response. 20-30hz at high SPL is still pretty exiting stuff for me. I guess maybe a very near field sealed sub might do it for the stuff under 15hz.
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Sorry, but every time I see you post this graph my OCD kicks in....

Can you please change the Frequency Axis on that graph from Linear to Logarithmic? The Linear setting makes all octaves equally spaced apart and this is not representative of how it works in the real world, logarithmic is the correct setting.

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It is pretty crazy now, doubling it in room should show a noticeable step up I would think.

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Interesting.

I run a SVS PB-2000, it'll easily play below 30hz. I know it won't play the extremely deep stuff well (<15hz) but it's still audible and loud at 17hz when doing a frequency sweep. I need to watch Elysium again, I might have to do that tonight since it's showing really good low output.

Is it true?17 hz frequency sounds louder? as far as I know,17hz sound is for feeling, no?
Maybe your sub producing 2nd harmonic distortion

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Sound aside, how is Life as a whole?
Counter point to the "fantastic" opinion.

It was one of the dumbest movies I've seen. Ranks right up there with any B horror movie in the stupidity of the characters.

At least in B horror movies the excuse is they're just naive, ignorant or dumb teenagers. In Life where the characters are the smartest of the smartest..................................sad.

I barely made it through to the end. It's just a bad, bad movie.

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Is it true?17 hz frequency sounds louder? as far as I know,17hz sound is for feeling, no?
Maybe your sub producing 2nd harmonic distortion
If a subwoofer is producing 17 Hz with any authority, the house will be creating distortions and harmonics. It's felt at 17 Hz. The rattles and harmonics are heard.
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are we talking/graphing the 2017 or 2010 Life movie?

I just got the new transformers in the other day, so will give it a spin this weekend. Looks like WW is getting good reviews, so I have just added it to my cart

i love popping in a new blu ray, but at $25 each, they get expensive quick, hoping these go on sale soon (WW, K:SI)

I quite enjoy my collection of mostly $5-8 blu rays that I got on sale haha

Also, District 9 is an "old but gold" bass movie. Watched it again the other day.
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