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OMG that's freakin amazing! Thank you!


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Link to CEA-2010 data (from another site) is in the review.

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Link to your bass dubs? How low do they go?

Also, do you plan to review the SB16 as well and compare both?
Wow it's been almost five years since I compiled those tracks in a post! I generally stayed above 10 Hz because 14 Hz was the port tune of the subs I used when I composed those tracks. But I used notes and a keyboard, I did not dial in sine waves by Hz.

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Thank you ... and SB16 review and comparison with the PB16?

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when is to big big enough I mean come one when it takes 2 of me to lift it and I'm a pro bodybuilder its a tad ridiculous
I watched that video of the thing being unpacked.

Dear f'ing lord that thing is huge.

Loved the end where the sub lifted the carpet up while being tested!

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Thank you ... and SB16 review and comparison with the PB16?
Lol. Basically, no thanks. A. I can't compare, sending the PB16-Ultra back today. and B. I'm not reviewing subs that weigh that much on a regular basis.

In theory it's very appealing. Once you add logistics it's just not doable.
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Yeah, my DD15 is actually to large in every way for my mid sized room and if it dies and can't be repaired, (which happened with the ULD15 before it), I'd likely get one 12" sealed servo sub from Rhythmik and if I thought I needed more I'd get a second.

The PB16 is substantially larger than my current sub so now way would that work for me but for those who can fit it in, as you say, seems like a bargain.
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A friend had his DD-12 repaired less than a year ago.
That's good to hear.

Any idea if Velodyne themselves fixed it or was it an independent shop?

Mine is still working fine thank goodness as it is an excellent sub for my needs...well, a DD12 would actually have been a smarter choice as I have the DD15 set at 10 out of 100 on the sub gain and -10db on the AVR!

But Velodyne offered it to me at 1/3 MSRP.

In my room the PB16 would have to be nearly off to not blow out my windows or shoot my cats across the floor.

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Intriguing but too big for my space, and likely any space that I might be able to afford to build. Multiple 12" would suit my situation better, I have 2 now and I'm liking the Rythmik F12 with A370XLR3 amp. I do like the SVS processing better though, perhaps by the time I get around to adding more subs they'll have an option that suits me in a size I like with good bass extension to the teens. I'd also like an LFE input and the Rythmik offers that. No doubt it won't play as loud but 4 12"s, 2 front and 2 back would give a more even response and fit better into my space.

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Lol. Basically, no thanks. A. I can't compare, sending the PB16-Ultra back today. and B. I'm not reviewing subs that weigh that much on a regular basis.

In theory it's very appealing. Once you add logistics it's just not doable.


So Mark, I guess that means you won't be reviewing one of these anytime soon?

285 pounds, or so I'm told. I had one in my basement recently and getting it in and out of the house was not fun! It's funny how perceptions change. I remember when I thought my dual 12" SVS sub was HUGE.




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Mark, first let me say I very much enjoy your reviews. You do an excellent job.

You can sense a but, right?

Perhaps small point but you note SVS publishes accurate, unvarnished specs, and perhaps they do. But why do you perpetuate the inaccurate pic, twice here, showing vertical ports inside when it's been shown that they abandoned that configuration before production? Those are fancy marketing pics but are not describing what is actually inside.

I own this sub and also did an unboxing on YouTube.

I also own an f112 and an f212, both sterling in their own right. Your commments about the difficulty in telling them apart is quite right, except when it really comes to the lowest notes where the SVS outshines them. But certainly not in build quality. The fit and finish of the JL is superior as you rightly state. After removing the feet to place the isolation feet on the SVS, with one faulty screw pulling out a poorly inserted plug along with chipping out a small part of the finish, that was readily apparent.

Again, don't mean to be critical. I do enjoy your writing. And I really enjoy the SVS.
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That's good to hear.

Any idea if Velodyne themselves fixed it or was it an independent shop?

Mine is still working fine thank goodness as it is an excellent sub for my needs...well, a DD12 would actually have been a smarter choice as I have the DD15 set at 10 out of 100 on the sub gain and -10db on the AVR!

But Velodyne offered it to me at 1/3 MSRP.

In my room the PB16 would have to be nearly off to not blow out my windows or shoot my cats across the floor.
He took it to a local shop in Atlanta and the shop removed the amp and sent it back to Velodyne. I believe he was charged 400.00.

As far as the difference, I would choose the 15 over a single 12 because the 15 goes down lower with more authority and is THX certified. You may have a larger room someday.

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Mark, first let me say I very much enjoy your reviews. You do an excellent job.

You can sense a but, right?

Perhaps small point but you note SVS publishes accurate, unvarnished specs, and perhaps they do. But why do you perpetuate the inaccurate pic, twice here, showing vertical ports inside when it's been shown that they abandoned that configuration before production? Those are fancy marketing pics but are not describing what is actually inside.

I own this sub and also did an unboxing on YouTube.

I also own an f112 and an f212, both sterling in their own right. Your commments about the difficulty in telling them apart is quite right, except when it really comes to the lowest notes where the SVS outshines them. But certainly not in build quality. The fit and finish of the JL is superior as you rightly state. After removing the feet to place the isolation feet on the SVS, with one faulty screw pulling out a poorly inserted plug along with chipping out a small part of the finish, that was readily apparent.

Again, don't mean to be critical. I do enjoy your writing. And I really enjoy the SVS.
I did not know the was a design change. That's my picture which is why I used it. Thanks for the info and the nice comment.

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This is what the ports look like inside the pb16.
Thanks for the insight. Well, I'm not gonna lose sleep over the difference.

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Thanks for the insight. Well, I'm not gonna lose sleep over the difference.
I can't speak for other PB16 owners, but I won't either. Ed Mullen commented, on the other 16 Ultra thread, that the earlier design was abandoned because the curved ports produced an even lower port tune than they wanted. I think that they look cooler in a photo than the straight ports, but from what I have read, a right-angle port is also more likely to restrict air flow at high listening volumes, resulting in more port noise.

Nice review!

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Gotcha!

And from a price perspective. WOW...the SVS is even more impressive.
Agreed !! : )
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Svs gave me 1300 for my SB13. Do a chat with them and they'll give an instant quote. You might be surprised.


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I did call them but the trade-in value was really low because I do not have the original box and packaging material and the shipping cost for something as big and heavy as the PB-13 Ultra is high. At the end of the day I think I was left with something like $600-700. I decided to keep the PB-13 Ultra.

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I did call them but the trade-in value was really low because I do not have the original box and packaging material and the shipping cost for something as big and heavy as the PB-13 Ultra is high. At the end of the day I think I was left with something like $600-700. I decided to keep the PB-13 Ultra.
Thats weird. They gave me 1300. I did have do buy a new box, and also pay for the return shipping, but I still netted 1000 dollars. The box is about 125, and the shipping was right at 160 I think. Mine was less than a year old though.
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That's all well and good but, did you get a t-shirt? I did in box of sats no big deal. just high roller treatment for VIP's.
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I did call them but the trade-in value was really low because I do not have the original box and packaging material and the shipping cost for something as big and heavy as the PB-13 Ultra is high. At the end of the day I think I was left with something like $600-700. I decided to keep the PB-13 Ultra.
Hi,

I'm sorry to hear that an upgrade won't be possible. But, FWIW, the PB13 and the PB16 do very well together. Dual subs can be a real benefit if you are in a position, at some point, to keep the PB13, and still add a PB16.

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I did indeed get a t-shirt
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Chock this up to a noob question maybe -

I'm building a system and happen to be debating between dual F112s, F113s or SB13s so this discussion is on the mark for me.

I realize the JL is supposed to be the 'higher-end' brand over SVS (not trying to start an argument) or at least they position themselves that way with price, but does it say anything about the two that JL does not have a balanced input while SVS does? Will I see a sound difference between balanced and un-balanced?
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SVS Sound PB16 Ultra

I have the SVS PB13 ultra in my family room and it is wicked. I can not wait to audition the new PB16.
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Also, what do you guys think about mixing two subs of different sizes? I have room for a 12" or 13" near my fronts/mains and I can add an additional sub, maybe a 16", in the back of the room. If they're the same 'family' say a SB13 and an SB16, would they play well together or am I better off with two SB13s?

I think if I did the mix I would use the front sub by itself for music listening as a 2.1 and turn on the second sub only for movies (using both subs for movies).
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Also, what do you guys think about mixing two subs of different sizes? I have room for a 12" or 13" near my fronts/mains and I can add an additional sub, maybe a 16", in the back of the room. If they're the same 'family' say a SB13 and an SB16, would they play well together or am I better off with two SB13s?

I think if I did the mix I would use the front sub by itself for music listening as a 2.1 and turn on the second sub only for movies (using both subs for movies).
Hi,

They should mix just fine, as they have essentially the same frequency response. The SB16 just has about 4db more output below about 35Hz (which is actually a lot) and a slightly more authoritative sound for low bass. I still have one of my PB13's, which I am using nearfield with some PB16's, and they balance very well.

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Chock this up to a noob question maybe -

I'm building a system and happen to be debating between dual F112s, F113s or SB13s so this discussion is on the mark for me.

I realize the JL is supposed to be the 'higher-end' brand over SVS (not trying to start an argument) or at least they position themselves that way with price, but does it say anything about the two that JL does not have a balanced input while SVS does? Will I see a sound difference between balanced and un-balanced?

Not sure where you got that info from, but as an owner of the JL Audio F112 and F212, they both have balanced inputs and outputs.

As for sound difference, no, but balanced is better at keeping any potential hum at bay.
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Thats weird. They gave me 1300. I did have do buy a new box, and also pay for the return shipping, but I still netted 1000 dollars. The box is about 125, and the shipping was right at 160 I think. Mine was less than a year old though.
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Hi,

I'm sorry to hear that an upgrade won't be possible. But, FWIW, the PB13 and the PB16 do very well together. Dual subs can be a real benefit if you are in a position, at some point, to keep the PB13, and still add a PB16.

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Jbrazda: I think that your advantage is that your sub is less than a year old. Mine is over two years old so well outside the trade-up window.

mthomas: Yes, I definitely recognize that I can add the PB-16 to my basement home theater. I actually have two PB-13 Ultra's already in the room, so I will move one upstairs to my family room home theater to make room for the PB-16! But I already have a PB-12 in my family room so I plan to move that to my 2nd floor bedroom! I plan to hire a couple of movers to move the monsters around because there is no way I can move either the PB-13 or the PB-12 to an upper floor all by myself!
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Does anyone know if there is an article/review comparing the PB-16 Ultra and the Powersound Audio V3600i? There is a thread on AVS comparing the PB-13 Ultra to the V3600i, but I was wondering if anyone had written a similar comparison with the PB-16 Ultra. Thanks.

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This is what the ports look like inside the pb16.
I admit I haven't looked inside a lot of subs, but there's something about the way those ports are just siliconed into place that seems a little, I don't know, hacky to me.
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