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Psa v1500 vs hsu vtf-15h mk2

I am in the process of returning my V15 subs because I am looking for more punch in the 14hz range which brings me to the question of today. Which sub will hit lower if price was all equal. I am only going to get one because the wife will not allow me to run duals

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I am in the process of returning my V15 subs because I am looking for more punch in the 14hz range which brings me to the question of today. Which sub will hit lower if price was all equal. I am only going to get one because the wife will not allow me to run duals

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I'm surprised your returning those as a pair should give good extension down to 15Hz. Is it safe to assume you had done a sub crawl and integrated them with proper room/wall gain?
If you had done everything possible, IMO you will need to jump into something like a JTR Cap 2400ULF or the new Rythmik i believe its the FV 25HP to satisfy your need for lower extension. Warning, they are not small subs.
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I am in the process of returning my V15 subs because I am looking for more punch in the 14hz range which brings me to the question of today. Which sub will hit lower if price was all equal. I am only going to get one because the wife will not allow me to run duals

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If you are unhappy with the PSA V15, you are not gonna be happy with the lateral moves - the other $1000, 15" subs from Hsu, PSA, or Rythmik.

It's time to up your budget to at least $1500 per sub.
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I can't imagine you are not getting enough bass from the subs you have now. Really makes no sense to be honest

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I can't imagine you are not getting enough bass from the subs you have now. Really makes no sense to be honest

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I have a open room that Leads to the kitchen so I need a sub that will be able to handle the open space.

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If you are unhappy with the PSA V15, you are not gonna be happy with the lateral moves - the other $1000, 15" subs from Hsu, PSA, or Rythmik.

It's time to up your budget to at least $1500 per sub.
Which sub would u recommend then ???

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Which sub would u recommend then ???
14 Hz is a lot to demand from subs under $2000 as most of them are tuned closer to 20 Hz.

However, based on the ported subs I have heard (JTR Captivator 1400, JTR Captivator 118HT, PSA V1801, Rythmik FV18 and Seaton MFW-15 Turbo), I would recommend the JTR Captivator 118HT.

Then again, the Cap 118HT is $1750 shipped to SoCal and the JTR Cap 1400 is only $400 more...

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My room open to the kitchen, dining room, and hallway and my PB-1000 is just fine but I will say this I don't over do it with bass. I don't like too much bass, just enough for me.

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Psa v1500 vs hsu vtf-15h mk2

I have had dual VTF-3 MK5's for about 3-4 weeks now and I'm still amazed at what they can do and I don't even go above 80-85db in my room. I have over 3100 cubic feet between living room & breakfast area and it's open to the kitchen and two hallways. I've actually turned my subs (gain) down today and I haven't even had them close to their max potential.


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So you are returning two 15V's and will be restricted to buying only one of something like the V1500 or VTF-15H.2? The difference in these subs isn't that much, so dumping a pair for a single is a REALLY bad move. What is it you are listing to at 14Hz? There is a very small amount of content at that frequency. The Rythmik FV15HP for $1338 will squeeze out a little more extension, but this will be in 1-port mode. No way I would dump duals 15V's for a single FV15HP, however.
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I am in the process of returning my V15 subs because I am looking for more punch in the 14hz range which brings me to the question of today. Which sub will hit lower if price was all equal. I am only going to get one because the wife will not allow me to run duals

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There is not such this as 14hz punch. You should not even be worried about 14hz with your budget and size of room anyway.
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There is not such this as 14hz punch. You should not even be worried about 14hz with your budget and size of room anyway.
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Yeah it looks like I might have to up my budget some. I guess I have to up it to around $1500. What u recommend in that price range ?

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You will need to up your budget to 2500.00 if you want anything that is going to be strong below 15hz. Rythmik FV25 or Captivator 2400 ULF.
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This will get you some extension. https://www.deepseasound.com/products/mariana-24sr-24-subwoofer

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Yeah it looks like I might have to up my budget some. I guess I have to up it to around $1500. What u recommend in that price range ?
You did have two 15V correct? I think most people are confused why you are seeking a frequency response that is just barely deeper than the subs you just replaced, on an even smaller budget than the previous subs combined price, and now can only purchase one sub to do all of this.

If you can't run duals, and also can't go over $1500, there's really nothing that'll outperform what you had down into the mid teens in an open room (assuming fairly large space). What are your room measurments and spaces open to that so we can get an idea of cubic footage?

As @basshead81 said, achieving any reasonable 14Hz output for one sub around your budget is completely unrealistic. And without proper integration/placement, there's no guarantee a much more powerful sub will benefit you.

You'll need a very potent single sub for any usable output at 14-16Hz that significantly bests a pair of 15V by at least 4-6dB; the JTR Cap 2400ULF would be one contender or the Rythmik FV25HP. And both are well above your price range starting at $2,499 plus freight shipping.

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I agree with what has been posted. You need a big sub and big power. One thing that will help a lot is if you could do something near-field as in directly behind your seating position. Even a single sealed 18" will give you good tactile feel down to close to single digits. JTR S1 would do it nearfield, PSA s1801 would probably work too and be your cheapest/smallest option. But not everyone has the room for a big sub behind their MLP. You could try 1 of your 15" you have now to get an idea of what it is like if you have the room, fire the driver into the back of the seat.

But as for having subs out in the room and wanting to "feel" them at 14hz. It will take multiples of some very powerful subs. It probably won't happen with just 1 unless it is something along the lines of a JTR 2400ULF or 4000 ULF. You are going to need to spend $2000-3000+.
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Yeah it looks like I might have to up my budget some. I guess I have to up it to around $1500. What u recommend in that price range ?
I have the JTR Captivator 118HT from the recent GTG that has performance to 14Hz, significantly outperforming the PSA V1801 below 31.5Hz. Where are you located?
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How about keeping your subs and adding some buttkickers for the tactile feedback of those low freqs? Or at that price range, I'd take a good hard look at some DIY subs.. I bet you could build something pretty outrageous for $1500.

I gotta say, those are some mighty fine subs you've got already, I gotta echo the other folks wondering what exactly you're listening to that goes down that low, that often!

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[QUOTE=andreromao82;53734553]How about keeping your subs and adding some buttkickers for the tactile feedback of those low freqs? Or at that price range, I'd take a good hard look at some DIY subs.. I bet you could build something pretty outrageous for $1500.

I gotta say, those are some mighty fine subs you've got already, I gotta echo the other folks wondering what exactly you're listening to that goes down that low, that often! [/QUOT

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I have the JTR Captivator 118HT from the recent GTG that has performance to 14Hz, significantly outperforming the PSA V1801 below 31.5Hz. Where are you located?
I'm located in Atlanta GA

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I have the JTR Captivator 118HT from the recent GTG that has performance to 14Hz, significantly outperforming the PSA V1801 below 31.5Hz. Where are you located?
Im not sure if 1 118HT is going to do much more then dual 15v. Both have similar tuning points and I suspect they are pretty close in overall output 2 vs 1. I know you said the 118HT was stonger then the V1801 down low. I mentioned in my V1801 review that it was like equal to 2.5 15v's but after running some output sweeps it really ended being about 2db stronger then a single 15v down low(16-31hz), but added 3-4db at 13hz due to deeper extension. I however did not experience any chuffing issues with mine.

I still think If the OP wants palpable output below 15hz then he needs one massive low tuned sub as already mentioned.

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1 118HT is not going to do much more then dual 15v below 31hz. Let's not assume that the short coming you found in that particular V1801 means all PSA stuff lacks down low. I ran compression sweeps and pushed the hell out of the V1801 and experienced no issues you mentioned.

If the OP wants palpable output below 15hz then he needs one massive low tuned sub as already mentioned.
Please forward me your sweeps. I am going to test another V1801 sample today.

But make no mistake, you can't cheat the laws of physics. The large cabinet size of the JTRs make for some great deep bass performance.
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Please forward me your sweeps. I am going to test another V1801 sample today.

But make no mistake, you can't cheat the laws of physics. The large cabinet size of the JTRs make for some great deep bass performance.
True but we do not know the driver specs on the V1801. More excursion can make up for a smaller cab. Not saying the V1801 has more excursion capability but it might. The "looks" like it does, but that does not actually mean it does.

I did not save the sweeps unfortunately. Honestly unless you spent the money on a good mic, I would not put a lot of stock in the results of cea2010 testing with a 100.00 UMIK-1 microphone. If you ever noticed that folks how have used REW and done compression sweeps results are always all over the place.

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True but we do not know the driver specs on the V1801. More excursion can make up for a smaller cab. Not saying the V1801 has more excursion capability but it might. The "looks" like it does, but that does not actually mean it does.

I did not save the sweeps unfortunately. Honestly unless you spent the money on a good mic, I would not put a lot of stock in the results of cea2010 testing with a 100.00 UMIK-1 microphone. If you ever noticed that folks how have used REW and done compression sweeps results are always all over the place.
You are correct that the UMIK-1 does not have the range to measure high SPL levels.
I used a Yamaha MG10XU with a CSL calibrated Dayton EMM-6 for measurements. Regardless, I knew my measurements would be dismissed. Luckily there were 15 witnesses to each sub's performance in room, level matched in the same placement position.

The Cap 118HT waffle surround is deceptive. This beast has excursion for days. Thanks to @xcjago for filming the excursion in slow motion.

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I'm not dismissing your measurements at all. I am just saying it would not be a accurate comparison between my sweeps and yours anyway. The 118HT has 19mm of linear excursion which is pretty damn good. Jeff has held back no info about his driver's. I have not been able to obtain any driver info from Tom. I thought somewhere it was mentioned to be around 25mm but I can not find that info. My only issue with the V1801 was that the driver would get really hot when driven hard. I am not sure if that is even a issue, but my 15v drivers would onoy get warm played at the same level. I however did not have chuffing issues with mine.

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14 Hz is a lot to demand from subs under $2000 as most of them are tuned closer to 20 Hz.

However, based on the ported subs I have heard (JTR Captivator 1400, JTR Captivator 118HT, PSA V1801, Rythmik FV18 and Seaton MFW-15 Turbo), I would recommend the JTR Captivator 118HT.

Then again, the Cap 118HT is $1750 shipped to SoCal and the JTR Cap 1400 is only $400 more...
You and a few more on this thread have heard most of the big hitters in the sub world. When these subs are rockin at lower Hz levels, do you experience any bothersome inner ear pressure while listening. A friend, who just acquired a PSA S1500, is complaining of that, which he never experienced with his older Velodyne.
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You and a few more on this thread have heard most of the big hitters in the sub world. When these subs are rockin at lower Hz levels, do you experience any bothersome inner ear pressure while listening. A friend, who just acquired a PSA S1500, is complaining of that, which he never experienced with his older Velodyne.


From what I've read, anything below 19hz can be damaging to your ears. And yes, even with my dual VTF-3 MK5's I had to dial them back a little because the lower hz range has hurt my ears.


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After four months of having the v3601, I can say the drivers do get warm. I've experienced no mechanical failures or anything like that but you can feel the dust Cap and feel that there is definitely some heat inside but I guess that's a function of physics. I am also not the average listener. I listen to a lot of music around -6 MV and a lot of it is dubstep. At any rate I was watching the videos that Mark took of the JTR speakers with the CEA burst tones and I shot this video the other day. This is one volume click below hearing any negative sounds coming from the sub. I'm not sure how to measure excursion necessarily, but I will say this is on par with the jtr 118ht.


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From what I've read, anything below 19hz can be damaging to your ears. And yes, even with my dual VTF-3 MK5's I had to dial them back a little because the lower hz range has hurt my ears.


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high frequencies are what causes harm. It takes a **** load of spl to damage hearing with 5-100hz bass frequencies. It would have to be north of 150db or so.
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You and a few more on this thread have heard most of the big hitters in the sub world. When these subs are rockin at lower Hz levels, do you experience any bothersome inner ear pressure while listening. A friend, who just acquired a PSA S1500, is complaining of that, which he never experienced with his older Velodyne.
What kind volume does your friend listen at? What kind of room are we looking at here in terms of size and open/sealed?

I know that some people are more susceptible to inner ear pressure problem. I was bothered by it every time I flew before, until I learned 'the equalizer' while diving in Thailand. Here is what you do. Pinch your nose so that the nostrils are closed. Close your lips and blow! This should alleviate the inner ear pressure problem.

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