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iceatola 06-30-2017 05:47 PM

PSA V1801 or something better ???
 
Ok so I am going to make this short and sweet. As some of you already know I recently bought a pair of 15V subs and even though they sound very good I am still searching for that extra bass down in the lower FR. With that said I was able to convince my wife on upgrading and maybe getting duals but for right now I am stuck with buying just one sub for the upgrade. Budget is no more than $1500 max. With that being said which sub would you recommend the V1801 or maybe something else ????? Thanks in advance

LFE Junkie 06-30-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by iceatola (Post 53982953)
Ok so I am going to make this short and sweet. As some of you already know I recently bought a pair of 15V subs and even though they sound very good I am still searching for that extra bass down in the lower FR. With that said I was able to convince my wife on upgrading and maybe getting duals but for right now I am stuck with buying just one sub for the upgrade. Budget is no more than $1500 max. With that being said which sub would you recommend the V1801 or maybe something else ????? Thanks in advance

If you can swing $99 extra, the JTR 118 would be extremely hard to beat:


http://jtrspeakers.com/captivator-118ht.html

chucky7 06-30-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iceatola (Post 53982953)
Ok so I am going to make this short and sweet. As some of you already know I recently bought a pair of 15V subs and even though they sound very good I am still searching for that extra bass down in the lower FR. With that said I was able to convince my wife on upgrading and maybe getting duals but for right now I am stuck with buying just one sub for the upgrade. Budget is no more than $1500 max. With that being said which sub would you recommend the V1801 or maybe something else ????? Thanks in advance

It's more like $1750 shipped...

However, it IS better. PSA V1801 is nowhere near as potent as the JTR 118HT down low

Where are you located?

Jeff Permanian @ JTR has a Cap 118 HT with Marc Alexander right now and maybe Jeff can arrange to ship it to you within your budget of $1500?

iceatola 06-30-2017 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chucky7 (Post 53983369)
It's more like $1750 shipped...

However, it IS better. PSA V1801 is nowhere near as potent as the JTR 118HT down low

Where are you located?

Jeff Permanian @ JTR has a Cap 118 HT with Marc Alexander right now and maybe Jeff can arrange to ship it to you within your budget of $1500?

I'm in Atlanta GA

basshead81 07-02-2017 09:30 AM

I had the V1801 and have 3 15v's. The V1801 was great but I did not notice much of an improvement in the deep bass below 30hz...probably because I have plenty of output across the board already. Above 30hz you will notice it has more juice in the tank if you listen loud. It has some great mid bass punch. That being said no single sub under 1500.00 is going to be better then dual 15v's setup correctly.

The 118HT Marc has would be a solid deal, I really would like to take it for a test spin but I won't have time to mess with it for another 3-4 weeks as I am too busy.

TheCarFather 07-02-2017 11:49 AM

Being that you already had a pair of 15V's and are looking to "upgrade", I wouldn't look at anything less than the JTR 118HT. The pair of 15V's will be hard to outperform by a single sub with a budget of 1500, but the 118HT may do it down low. But again, that sub is a little over your budget. Two 118HT's, now that would be some serious low end!

Marc Alexander 07-02-2017 01:13 PM

I think he already ordered the V1801.

Sekosche 07-03-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 54013233)
I think he already ordered the V1801.

Coming from two 15V, @iceatola might be thoroughly disappointed with a single V1801. A pair of 15V should meet or exceed the V1801 in quality and output throughout the room. I know they plan on upgrading to duals eventually, but a pair of V1801 won't have substantially better deep bass. As others have mentioned, @iceatola really needs to up their budget closer to $2K per sub for increased ULF output and extension.

Marc Alexander 07-03-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sekosche (Post 54035625)
Coming from two 15V, @iceatola might be thoroughly disappointed with a single V1801. A pair of 15V should meet or exceed the V1801 in quality and output throughout the room. I know they plan on upgrading to duals eventually, but a pair of V1801 won't have substantially better deep bass. As others have mentioned, @iceatola really needs to up their budget closer to $2K per sub for increased ULF output and extension.

I agree. Let's see if he returns to post his impressions.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=53988241

basshead81 07-03-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sekosche (Post 54035625)
Coming from two 15V, @iceatola might be thoroughly disappointed with a single V1801. A pair of 15V should meet or exceed the V1801 in quality and output throughout the room. I know they plan on upgrading to duals eventually, but a pair of V1801 won't have substantially better deep bass. As others have mentioned, @iceatola really needs to up their budget closer to $2K per sub for increased ULF output and extension.

Yep, From my experience the V1801 is not much stronger then a 15v below 31hz, but its significantly stronger above that.

TheCarFather 07-03-2017 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by basshead81 (Post 54038473)
Yep, From my experience the V1801 is not much stronger then a 15v below 31hz, but its significantly stronger above that.

Which IMO is too bad. Would have liked to see a larger cabinet with a lower port tune, maybe then we'd at least see a solid output increase over the 15V/V1500 across the entire frequency range. Stepping up to a larger driver than the 15V should yield great output down low, at least you'd hope so.

Not saying the V1801 is a bad sub, but I'd think it would sell better in a larger enclosure.

Marc Alexander 07-04-2017 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCarFather (Post 54039529)
Which IMO is too bad. Would have liked to see a larger cabinet with a lower port tune, maybe then we'd at least see a solid output increase over the 15V/V1500 across the entire frequency range. Stepping up to a larger driver than the 15V should yield great output down low, at least you'd hope so.

Not saying the V1801 is a bad sub, but I'd think it would sell better in a larger enclosure.

I think the small size of the V1801 is responsible for its popularity. While it is not a ULF monster its output at 40Hz and above is quite good.

I think they'd sell less with a larger cabinet. The current size is right about the limit for most living rooms. It's not much bigger than the S1801!

zeuspaul 07-04-2017 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 54042305)
I think the small size of the V1801 is responsible for its popularity. While it is not a ULF monster its output at 40Hz and above is quite good.

I think they'd sell less with a larger cabinet. The current size is right about the limit for most living rooms. It's not much bigger than the S1801!



Size and weight was a selling point for me. Ten pounds more and I don't think I could get it up the stairs. And it delivers plenty of good quality bass:)

basshead81 07-04-2017 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCarFather (Post 54039529)
Which IMO is too bad. Would have liked to see a larger cabinet with a lower port tune, maybe then we'd at least see a solid output increase over the 15V/V1500 across the entire frequency range. Stepping up to a larger driver than the 15V should yield great output down low, at least you'd hope so.

Not saying the V1801 is a bad sub, but I'd think it would sell better in a larger enclosure.

PSA chose this size because they get more customers asking for smaller subs then larger. Nothing wrong with the V1801's design at all. I actually enjoyed it a lot...it offered a ton of mid upper bass slam and headroom above 30hz where 90% of the bass you hear resides. I never noticed it to be lacking down low at all.

That being said, the V1801 is one of PSA's top selling subs. If it sold any better it would never be in stock.

David Charles 07-04-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCarFather (Post 54039529)
Which IMO is too bad. Would have liked to see a larger cabinet with a lower port tune, maybe then we'd at least see a solid output increase over the 15V/V1500 across the entire frequency range. Stepping up to a larger driver than the 15V should yield great output down low, at least you'd hope so.



Not saying the V1801 is a bad sub, but I'd think it would sell better in a larger enclosure.



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bscool 07-04-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 54042305)
I think the small size of the V1801 is responsible for its popularity. While it is not a ULF monster its output at 40Hz and above is quite good.

I think they'd sell less with a larger cabinet. The current size is right about the limit for most living rooms. It's not much bigger than the S1801!

Hence I bet if both were measured that the V1801 and S1801 will have much closer than expected output levels if you take V1801s chuffing into account. Not the typical 6-8db gain for a ported near port tune.

There is a reason ported subs are usually much larger than a sealed enclosure. PSA didn't come up with something new with the V1801 they give people what they want.....a ported sub in a small box.......but with that comes compromises....... Just my $.02

Edit: Looking at the PDF measurements of the V1801 of chuffing vs no chuff, take off 6-10dB that puts it right about sealed subwoofer output in the same size enclosure. But you lose the lower hz ouput of a sealed sub with the small box ported.

CEA-2010 No Chuff
16 Hz 90.5 84.8
20 Hz 102.7 91.4
25 Hz 108.8 97.9
31.5 Hz 119.6 103.4

Edit#2 sealed Seaton to compare, not exactly accurate since the Seaton has more power but shows my point of a sealed vs chuffing numbers they would be fairly close I think.
F18+

16 Hz 93.8
20 Hz 100.2
25 Hz 107
31.5 Hz 113

iceatola 07-05-2017 06:27 AM

Thank you all for the replies, I have decided to try out both the PSA V1801 and the Rythmik FV15 to find out which is the best sub for me and my mancave. I will report back after I get them on Thursday and play with them a little. Thanks again AVS family

Sekosche 07-05-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iceatola (Post 54061673)
Thank you all for the replies, I have decided to try out both the PSA V1801 and the Rythmik FV15 to find out which is the best sub for me and my mancave. I will report back after I get them on Thursday and play with them a little. Thanks again AVS family

Nice! I just noticed the FV15 is being replaced with a 12" sub, so that's the last of the line. The V1801 is dynamite in a "small" package. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts.

tvuong 07-05-2017 08:19 AM

^^ Nice. That is exactly how to find out which one you like better. Make sure to come back and let us know.

tvuong 07-05-2017 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sekosche (Post 54063281)
Nice! I just noticed the FV15 is being replaced with a 12" sub, so that's the last of the line.

That is not true.

Marc Alexander 07-05-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sekosche (Post 54063281)
Nice! I just noticed the FV15 is being replaced with a 12" sub, so that's the last of the line.

What do you mean?

Sekosche 07-05-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tvuong (Post 54063329)
That is not true.

That is what the website says.

Edit: direct from the FV15 homepage, "We are phasing out FV15 and replace it with a slightly smaller dual-port multi-tuned sub with 12" aluminum cone driver."

enricoclaudio 07-05-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sekosche (Post 54079729)
That is what the website says.

Edit: direct from the FV15 homepage, "We are phasing out FV15 and replace it with a slightly smaller dual-port multi-tuned sub with 12" aluminum cone driver."

That's the very old FV15 with A370PEQ2 amp already phased out for about 3 years now. The FV15 was replaced by the FVX15. The current model is FV15HP (with H600 series amp) and we have no intentions to phased it out.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV15HP.html

Sekosche 07-05-2017 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by enricoclaudio (Post 54080945)
That's the very old FV15 with A370PEQ2 amp already phased out for about 3 years now. The FV15 was replaced by the FVX15. The current model is FV15HP (with H600 series amp) and we have no intentions to phased it out.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV15HP.html

Cool, the OP said it was an FV15 so I didn't make any assumptions on how old it was. Obviously, I'm behind the curve on Rythmik gear.

Marc Alexander 07-08-2017 12:36 AM

When do the subs arrive @iceatola ?

iceatola 07-10-2017 11:16 AM

Hello All

So both subs arrived on Thursday but I was so tired from work I was not able to review them until this passed weekend. Man oh man let me tell you first let me start off by saying both subs were everything I was hoping for and more. So over the weekend I watched about 4 or 5 movies that were BASS heavy. I first watched behind enemy lines along with Thor and Batman vs Superman, also a little kids movie for my daughter in which I can not remember the name to. I first audition the Rythmik FV15HP and this subs is amazing. In my house this sub was able to go as low as 10Hz, 15hz with no problem at all. Between the two this one digged deeper in the lower FR. The overall sound quality was amazing and I almost ended up buying this one . I really have nothing bad to say about the FV15HP job well done Rythmik. Now on to the PSA V1801, man oh man this sub is like night and day compared to the 15V's I had previously, don't get me wrong I like the 15's but they were not strong enough in the lower FR in my theater. They just did not get me excited when it was called upon to hit me in the gut so to speak. Well with the V1801 I had no such problem at all. It really made my seats become a massage chair when it was called upon for bass and I mean BASS. My wife was not to excited at first about me upgrading and trying to get duals because to her the 15V's were more than enough. Not until she felt the beast of this thing. She could not believe how much air was flowing through the ports and how much clean bass was coming out of them. Now I mention earlier that the Rythmik produce a deeper bass response, however the PSA was much stronger overall as far as raw output. So even though the Rythmik dig deeper the PSA had a stronger feeling when producing the lows because of the stronger amp. So for that reason alone we decided to go with the PSA also because it was smaller as well (WAF). Overall job well done for both companies but I am going with the V1801 and will eventually get another one as well.

chucky7 07-10-2017 11:33 AM

If you are talking about hitting you in the gut, it's actually more 40Hz and above. The PSA V1801 does have 4 to 7 dB more output above 40 Hz, more port wind and tactile response which shakes the floor/chair more.

keeper 07-10-2017 11:43 AM

What about keeping the v1801 and also using a 15v nearfield? THat is what I'm thinking of doing.

iceatola 07-10-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keeper (Post 54173345)
What about keeping the v1801 and also using a 15v nearfield? THat is what I'm thinking of doing.

After hearing V1801 I can not go back to the 15V's. I will be getting another one soon, that's how much I really like them.

Docethic 07-10-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by iceatola (Post 54175569)
After hearing V1801 I can not go back to the 15V's. I will be getting another one soon, that's how much I really like them.

Are you comparing the v1801 directly with a single 15v in the same position? Are you sure you have maxed out the headroom of the 15v? The difference should be noticeable but not night and day difference as they have similar low end performance.


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