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I believe that same error code required my plate amp to go to California for service. Took a while for the repair.


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I believe that same error code required my plate amp to go to California for service. Took a while for the repair.


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How long does did it take? Days or weeks? Was your amp under warranty and if not was it expensive to repair? Been pushing really hard for upgrades and getting additional equipment did not plan on this.

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It was under warranty, Mark responded right away and sent me a prepaid FedEx to ship the Amp to Speaker Power in CA. SpeakerPower sent it back after the repair and it didn’t cost me anything. Unfortunately it took months.

Amp failed right before Thanksgiving ‘18 and I removed it and shipped it off that week, naively hoping I’d have it for Xmas and New Years parties. I had it by mid Feb so it was 3mos or so.


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It was under warranty, Mark responded right away and sent me a prepaid FedEx to ship the Amp to Speaker Power in CA. SpeakerPower sent it back after the repair and it didn’t cost me anything. Unfortunately it took months.

Amp failed right before Thanksgiving ‘18 and I removed it and shipped it off that week, naively hoping I’d have it for Xmas and New Years parties. I had it by mid Feb so it was 3mos or so.


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Wow 3 months is kind of crazy. I was thinking 2 or 3 weeks at most.
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Wow 3 months is kind of crazy. I was thinking 2 or 3 weeks at most.
Thanks for responding back quickly to the e-mail I sent on Sunday. Lately they've been running 3-5 weeks. I'll e-mail you some options later after we get some shipments out for the day.
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Thanks for responding back quickly to the e-mail I sent on Sunday. Lately they've been running 3-5 weeks. I'll e-mail you some options later after we get some shipments out for the day.
Thanks Mark I would always freak out if the amp went out but I’m literally after years of waiting getting atmos installed Thursday so I’m more than a little anxious.

You’ve always helped and I’m hoping there are some options that I can take advantage of. Once gain Thanks 🙏🏽

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I upgraded to the latest amp and whoa

Mark took care of me now I need to figure out when and how to add another Seaton Sub!


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Aren't you in the US? If so, how did you end up with the 6000 watt amp (meant for international markets/locations, i.e. 230V) instead of the 4000 watt amp (meant for the US, i.e. 120V)?
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Aren't you in the US? If so, how did you end up with the 6000 watt amp (meant for international markets/locations, i.e. 230V) instead of the 4000 watt amp (meant for the US, i.e. 120V)?
I think the Seaton label is wrong. Down lower on the amp, it is marked "SP1-4000" and next to it the power connector "120V-5A 50/60HZ"

I am in the US and have the 120V / 240V amp (And using 240V to power it)

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I think the Seaton label is wrong. Down lower on the amp, it is marked "SP1-4000" and next to it the power connector "120V-5A 50/60HZ"

I am in the US and have the 120V / 240V amp (And using 240V to power it)
Yeah, I noticed that too.
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I asked this question on the official Seaton Sound forum few days ago but haven't received a reply yet. Thought I would also ask here. I already asked this question in the Rythmik Audio official thread here on AVS so I already have their point-of-view.

Just wanted to get some feedback on how the Seaton Sound SubMersive HPi+ and Rythmik Audio G25HP compare (preferably from Mark, if possible). They seem to be very similar designs but the G25HP has their Direct Servo technology. Does having a servo make a noticeable difference/improvement? Based on what I've read, Rythmik Audio subwoofers are some of the best sounding subwoofers on the market. So, how would these two subwoofers compare in terms of output, extension, and sound quality?
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I asked this question on the official Seaton Sound forum few days ago but haven't received a reply yet. Thought I would also ask here. I already asked this question in the Rythmik Audio official thread here on AVS so I already have their point-of-view.

Just wanted to get some feedback on how the Seaton Sound SubMersive HPi+ and Rythmik Audio G25HP compare (preferably from Mark, if possible). They seem to be very similar designs but the G25HP has their Direct Servo technology. Does having a servo make a noticeable difference/improvement? Based on what I've read, Rythmik Audio subwoofers are some of the best sounding subwoofers on the market. So, how would these two subwoofers compare in terms of output, extension, and sound quality?
I've been behind on keeping up with forums as we are short staffed for production with some people out, so I've been in back more than at the computer. I was about to respond on our forum when I saw the post here. IMO of listening on multiple occasions and seeing measurements to back up impressions, the DirectServo does a very good job of reducing distortion... to the similar levels we can with good motor design. In the days before precise DSP, it also made for an efficient and very effective way to correct the frequency response in what ever box size the woofer is placed. DSP is now extremely flexible, and with the right efforts, it's possible to design very low distortion woofers.

Taking a look at the final specs I see the overall size is pretty much the same, swapping height for width. With the driver and amp used it's probably more similar than different in capabilities. The SubMersive does have a serious amount of dynamic headroom above 40Hz, and given the FV25HP uses the same driver and amps, it appears they will be close in this regard. Below 20-25Hz is where I could see the Rythmik having lower distortion within the limits, similar to what the much newer driver in the F18 offers in lower distortion below 25Hz.

In older versions of the DirectServo designs, the "autocorrect" action of the servo could result in some hard clipping of the amplifiers which would put the stops on the fun with big dynamics in movies. They've greatly reduced this behavior when you engage the limiting switch on the current offerings, but I would argue this behavior near and into the limits is something we do a bit differently and allows our subwoofers to play so much beyond what might otherwise be expected in real use.

Another harder-to-quantify quality is the SubMersive's ability to excels with impact, articulation, and snappy response with even rather high crossover frequencies. Subjectively the SubMersive's can deliver an intensity that I haven't heard to the same degree from Rythmik offerings, which often lean toward a very composed operation. I would most certainly expect different personalities from each.

Of course keep checking back as who knows what will be out when you get around to upgrading from your original 1000W SubMersive. FWIW, we have recently finalized a new single amplifier per unit option for the SubMersive which has a universal power supply that gives the same input controls and options of the latest + amplifiers without the need for a separate version for our international customers, and less than 1/2 the cost of what we had to charge for the HPi+/F2i+ amplifiers. We'll be adding these as the HPi / F2i versions to the website as we get closer to having units in stock.

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@Kain , I have heard both.

The Submersive is a better HT sub (more impact, TR). The Rythmik is better for music. All IMO, but I'm sure others would agree.

For a home cinema I would go with Seaton (look at the F18+ as well).

For Rythmik their sealed offerings are incredible for the price point. But for home cinema you need to look at their ported subs.
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@Kain , I have heard both.

The Submersive is a better HT sub (more impact, TR). The Rythmik is better for music. All IMO, but I'm sure others would agree.

For a home cinema I would go with Seaton (look at the F18+ as well).

For Rythmik their sealed offerings are incredible for the price point. But for home cinema you need to look at their ported subs.
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You stated the Rythmik is better for music. Is this because it has better sound quality or because of something else?
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You stated the Rythmik is better for music. Is this because it has better sound quality or because of something else?
Rythmik has a slightly different sound than most other high quality subwoofers. A little more subtle. Supposedly more articulate. It's a matter of taste. I had 4 SVS12-NSD for about a year, sounded great, but I wanted more. I got two Rythmik F18s, definitely not as in your face, and it took about 10 hours to get used to them, and I love them for music. Don't watch enough movies to comment on that. I've also never heard any other expensive ID offering, but the SB12 were rated quite highly by Audioholics a few years back. I think most people would be happy with most of the offerings by the ID companies, but it depends on what you want to a certain extent. I think a music first person should definitely look hard at Rythmik. It's more complicated, IMO, if you are movies first. Lots of excellent choices, plus, tbh, I think most of them would be great for music, as well, just a slightly different sound signature.

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I asked this question on the official Seaton Sound forum few days ago but haven't received a reply yet. Thought I would also ask here. I already asked this question in the Rythmik Audio official thread here on AVS so I already have their point-of-view.



Just wanted to get some feedback on how the Seaton Sound SubMersive HPi+ and Rythmik Audio G25HP compare (preferably from Mark, if possible). They seem to be very similar designs but the G25HP has their Direct Servo technology. Does having a servo make a noticeable difference/improvement? Based on what I've read, Rythmik Audio subwoofers are some of the best sounding subwoofers on the market. So, how would these two subwoofers compare in terms of output, extension, and sound quality?


I am a big fan of Seaton’s Submersive HP+. I have not heard a subwoofer that I like better for music and I have worked on over 3000 home theaters. The subwoofer is also great for movies, but does not rattle the house like some 18” units. It fits my preferences perfectly. I could not be happier with the sound and build quality of these subs.

The fact that you can add a slave unit for a much lower cost than the master is another plus in this products favor.

This comes with the caveat that there is much more to bass performance in a room other than the subwoofer alone. Things like preamp performance, room acoustics, placement and audio calibration can wreck a perfectly performing subwoofer.

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I’m at the very very beginning of thinking about adding another Seaton. I currently have two subMersives master/slave. My marantz 8805 which has two sub outs. I currently have both seatons up front near my projector screen. If I wanted to add one more sub but in the rear to to smooth out the basement. Would it be better to stick with another subMersive or an F18. What makes the most sense? If you need more detail about my set please don’t hesitate to ask
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I’m at the very very beginning of thinking about adding another Seaton. I currently have two subMersives master/slave. My marantz 8805 which has two sub outs. I currently have both seatons up front near my projector screen. If I wanted to add one more sub but in the rear to to smooth out the basement. Would it be better to stick with another subMersive or an F18. What makes the most sense? If you need more detail about my set please don’t hesitate to ask
I have a mixture of F2's and F18's (4 F2's up front and 4 F18's in back) in a 24x15x9 room. It's overkill, but wth. I moved from 4 F2's with 2 HP's in the rear...which sounded great and was just as impactful.

Since you have 2 subwoofer outputs on your Marantz (like me), Audyssey should be able to correct things...although, having matching subs all the way around would be ideal.
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My Integra has two sub outputs, but Audyssey calibrates as one. I upgraded the amp(s) in my two SubMs to a 6KW Master / Slave setup & am now using only one Integra output.
(Both subs are equal-distant up front)
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I have a mixture of F2's and F18's (4 F2's up front and 4 F18's in back) in a 24x15x9 room. It's overkill, but wth. I moved from 4 F2's with 2 HP's in the rear...which sounded great and was just as impactful.

Since you have 2 subwoofer outputs on your Marantz (like me), Audyssey should be able to correct things...although, having matching subs all the way around would be ideal.
Thanks for taking the time. Do you have pics for your setup? What processor are you using?

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I have the Marantz 7703...I have 2 F2's at bottom of AT screen on sides and 2 behind the screens.
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I have the Marantz 7703...I have 2 F2's at bottom of AT screen on sides and 2 behind the screens.


Love the setup! You have me thinking that it would definitely work. Now I have to come up with a plan! What projector do you have?


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I have a Panasonic PT8000...been waiting for just the right time to upgrade to 4K, but the picture quality and setup I have is really great. Been super impressed with the image quality, color, and brightness.
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I have a Panasonic PT8000...been waiting for just the right time to upgrade to 4K, but the picture quality and setup I have is really great. Been super impressed with the image quality, color, and brightness.


Nice I’m literally going 4K right now. Hanging new JVC 4K projector tonight. I have been waiting for a long time as well.


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I’m at the very very beginning of thinking about adding another Seaton. I currently have two subMersives master/slave. My marantz 8805 which has two sub outs. I currently have both seatons up front near my projector screen. If I wanted to add one more sub but in the rear to to smooth out the basement. Would it be better to stick with another subMersive or an F18. What makes the most sense? If you need more detail about my set please don’t hesitate to ask
What are you trying to accomplice? –
What are you not happy with –
Most important upgrade is measuring gear if you don’t have any.
Everything you hear is dependent on frequency response / headroom and room interaction-
Room correction is so good these days that best location based on my gazillion hours of experiments
is where you get highest output without nulls and then correct the response for your listening bubble.
Biggest reason for sub upgrades is reference movie playback –
You require 115-120 db playback throughout LFE range if that is your goal –
Biggest myths out there are more subs sound better , subs are faster or slower or are better for music/movies - big NO.
The better come into effect when you exceed output captivity of your current setup-
Oh there is also the cool effect ( I have 4 submersives 😀😀)
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I have the Marantz 7703...I have 2 F2's at bottom of AT screen on sides and 2 behind the screens.
Are those Jtr speakers? I’m really thinking about them in my next system!

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Nice I’m literally going 4K right now. Hanging new JVC 4K projector tonight. I have been waiting for a long time as well.


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which one did you get- My N7 is friggin amazing
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which one did you get- My N7 is friggin amazing


I got the NX5 and so far I love it


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