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Keep trying mate

Like I said, Mark has been keeping me updated with an email every 2 weeks or so to let me know where we were with the cabinet, hopefully things are getting caught up again in the workshop and Mark can dedicate more time to answering emails again
Lol...that's the spirit!!
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Lol...that's the spirit!!
Haha I know mate,you know what they say.... "patience is a virtue" and all....
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Can you power any other passive subwoofer with the submersive HP+ amp? Or does it have to be another submersive?
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Can you power any other passive subwoofer with the submersive HP+ amp? Or does it have to be another submersive?
I personally wouldn't recommend it, the DSP/limiters Mark has built in to the amp would be specific to the SubM

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Fair enough. I was considering getting two SubM 18s and was hoping I could use their output to keep my 4 current Chane 18.1s

Guess not. Lol
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Fair enough. I was considering getting two SubM 18s and was hoping I could use their output to keep my 4 current Chane 18.1s

Guess not. Lol
Not saying it's impossible, just not that simple. When running a single SubMersive (for example) the plate amp see's a 4 Ohm load and is capable of outputting up to 2400W, when you connect a slave SubM to the powered unit, the resistance drops to 2 Ohm and the amp can produce up to 4000W (spread across both units, so ~2000w each). I'm pretty sure the F18's work in a similar way i.e. each time you add a slave unit, it drops the resistance presented to the amp

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Also not taking into account the connectivity adaptions needed.

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Not saying it's impossible, just not that simple. When running a single SubMersive (for example) the plate amp see's a 4 Ohm load and is capable of outputting up to 2400W, when you connect a slave SubM to the powered unit, the resistance drops to 2 Ohm and the amp can produce up to 4000W (spread across both units, so ~2000w each). I'm pretty sure the F18's work in a similar way i.e. each time you add a slave unit, it drops the resistance presented to the amp
Ok. That being said, has anyone directly compared the SubMersive HP+ to the SubM 18's? I am trying to decide between the two models, in pairs...
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Ok. That being said, has anyone directly compared the SubMersive HP+ to the SubM 18's? I am trying to decide between the two models, in pairs...
I'm pretty sure that @Marc Alexander has compared the two

From what I recall reading on here and the SS forum, the SubM will have a few dB advantage above ~40Hz (and perhaps be a little more "articulate" in the upper bass) whereas the F18 will have a few more dB capability below ~30Hz, and have the ability to drive up to 3 slaves off a single powered unit. I think for "future proofing" the F18 is the better bet



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A single Submersive HP or F2 have ~3dB more headroom >40Hz vs a F18+. The F18 a similar ~3dB headroom advantage <30Hz. They sound virtually identical to me below their limits.

For music, I'd lean Submersives and for cinema, F18s.

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@Jrunr , I only have two Subms (That have had the 6kw Master / Slave upgrade) but have this observation: The Subms have two drivers per box & F18 only has one. Mark's amp has the capability of powering four drivers (Speakers)

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Every company has customer service issues. My wife’s Fitbit died 6 months ago, they sent a refurbished Fitbit and it died 3 months ago. They sent another refurbished replacement and are claiming it was delivered. It was not. A battle we are fighting right now. If there are 50 people who had this experience, and we all stood picketing outside Best Buy every day, people would look, say “oh, how sad” and go buy their new FitBit anyway. It’s because the way we process risk (different dollar values, yes—but the money doesn’t matter to me as much as me wanting them to right the wrong). Looking at the global ratio of happy customers vs. unhappy customers, I’m still 100% confident with Seaton Subwoofers and will be purchasing four more subs soon. Now, if you look at the international customer satisfaction ratio, it may speak to a relatively higher inherent risk (again, what is the ratio if happy customers vs. unhappy?)

I say all that to say, people would keep buying FitBits because they probably won’t experience what my wife is experiencing. People will (and should) keep buying Seaton Subs (especially those who have heard them) because the likelihood of their customer service experience being as bad as the worst experiences noted here is very small.

Just offering my take....not offering any excuses or justifications. Just saying I’m still confident in the company and in Mark, because every company has some pretty terrible customer service stories....unavoidable in a world where business have so many logistical interdependencies.


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@Jrunr , I only have two Subms (That have had the 6kw Master / Slave upgrade) but have this observation: The Subms have two drivers per box & F18 only has one. Mark's amp has the capability of powering four drivers (Speakers)
Can you combine the two different models? SubM and F18?
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Can you combine the two different models? SubM and F18?
I suppose you can. Again the Subm has two drivers, so only one subm & one or two F18s. I suspect that you will run into EQ problems, because they are different types of speakers.

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Yes you can!
Wow, I didn't actually know that!,I knew you can team a SubMersive HP with a SubM F2, but I didn't think an F18 slave would have been compatible with a SubM master unit. I would have thought they'd have had significantly different EQ/limiters applied.... you learn something new every day!

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Ok let me stop this! I thought he meant in the same room! No you can’t combine them. They aren’t designed to work that way. It really doesn’t make much sense to do it anyway! So again no you can’t mismatch them off of one amp!!

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Wow, I didn't actually know that!,I knew you can team a SubMersive HP with a SubM F2, but I didn't think an F18 slave would have been compatible with a SubM master unit. I would have thought they'd have had significantly different EQ/limiters applied.... you learn something new every day!
Jaime I misunderstood what he was ask! I was thinking he was talking in the same room. So my bad
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I just received a slave submersive and a new 4000W amp from Mark, the shipment to Taiwan was smooth and well taken cared of.
The addition and integration to my 2 old submersives can pose a challenge, though the main issue is the faint humming from the newly added subs (2 subms driven by the 4000w amp).

I'd like to know if there's any solution to this.. the old submersive HP never had this issue. I use SMS-1 to integrate, all balanced cables. The REW measurement shows a sign of 60Hz hum.
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Wow, I didn't actually know that!,I knew you can team a SubMersive HP with a SubM F2, but I didn't think an F18 slave would have been compatible with a SubM master unit. I would have thought they'd have had significantly different EQ/limiters applied.... you learn something new every day!
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Ok let me stop this! I thought he meant in the same room! No you can’t combine them. They aren’t designed to work that way. It really doesn’t make much sense to do it anyway! So again no you can’t mismatch them off of one amp!!

Yes. I meant in the same room. I didn't know if the two different sizes or the fact that the SubM is dual-opposed would cause any sonic anomalies in a room.
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Yes. I meant in the same room. I didn't know if the two different sizes or the fact that the SubM is dual-opposed would cause any sonic anomalies in a room.
Oh ok, I misunderstood what you were talking about... because you had just been asking about hooking up your 4 x passive Chane 18.1's to some powered Seaton subs

Combining F18s with the SubMersives in the same room should work out fine, perhaps get the best of both worlds - more of the deeper ULF bass with the F18s and more of the midbass slam with the SubMs
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But not driven by the same amp. When Mark used to post over here, I am sure he talked about that sort of thing.
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But not driven by the same amp. When Mark used to post over here, I am sure he talked about that sort of thing.
Yeah that's what I thought @Jrunr was talking about too, but it appears he simply means integrating a powered SubMersive with a Powered F18 in the same room
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Yes. I meant in the same room. I didn't know if the two different sizes or the fact that the SubM is dual-opposed would cause any sonic anomalies in a room.
Oh ok, I misunderstood what you were talking about... because you had just been asking about hooking up your 4 x passive Chane 18.1's to some powered Seaton subs

Combining F18s with the SubMersives in the same room should work out fine, perhaps get the best of both worlds - more of the deeper ULF bass with the F18s and more of the midbass slam with the SubMs
Yes. I can see why it was confusing. I apologize for that. But you are 100% on to my train of thought here with wanting the best of both worlds from the two Seaton Sub offerings. The ULF of the F18’s with the midbass slam of the SubM’s.

A little more info here: I just purchased 3 Seaton Catalyst 12C’s and 4 Catalyst 8C’s for my system! &#x1f62c;&#x1f62c; This is what I will be integrating the subs with.

I don’t think I can go wrong either way, but I’m still trying to get more knowledge before I pull the trigger. In the meantime, those Chase 18.1s can keep me going until I go full Seaton...
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Yes. I can see why it was confusing. I apologize for that. But you are 100% on to my train of thought here with wanting the best of both worlds from the two Seaton Sub offerings. The ULF of the F18’s with the midbass slam of the SubM’s.

A little more info here: I just purchased 3 Seaton Catalyst 12C’s and 4 Catalyst 8C’s for my system! &#x1f62c;&#x1f62c; This is what I will be integrating the subs with.

I don’t think I can go wrong either way, but I’m still trying to get more knowledge before I pull the trigger. In the meantime, those Chase 18.1s can keep me going until I go full Seaton...
I would definitely make sure you get a tracking number before anything is charged to your card.
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I just talked to Mark the other day, he is working on something new! You might want to give him a call and see if you like that option also

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Folks are spending money and not getting product, in at least one case for years. It's relevant if someone is allowing their card to be charged for a product that they don't have yet, if they don't realize folks are having trouble getting what they paid for. After a certain time frame, you lose the buying protection from your credit card. So totally relevant.

@jamiebosco do you have a working product you paid for yet? How long ago did you pay?
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Folks are spending money and not getting product, in at least one case for years. It's relevant if someone is allowing their card to be charged for a product that they don't have yet, if they don't realize folks are having trouble getting what they paid for. After a certain time frame, you lose the buying protection from your credit card. So totally relevant.

@jamiebosco do you have a working product you paid for yet? How long ago did you pay?
Replacement cabinet is arriving on Wednesday or Thursday next week hopefully, can't wait!!
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I hope so and for that matter all other issues matter trivial or NOT get sorted out. I know Seaton makes fantastic products having experiences the CAT 8 and SubM….truthfully... I wish, I had gone with the SubM prior to purchasing my xs30 cest la vie. This would've saved me further buyers remorse but Im very content now...looking to add a sibling down the road.

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I hope so and for that matter all other issues matter trivial or NOT get sorted out. I know Seaton makes fantastic products having experiences the CAT 8 and SubM….truthfully... I wish, I had gone with the SubM prior to purchasing my xs30 cest la vie. This would've saved me further buyers remorse but Im very content now...looking to add a sibling down the road.
Yes hopefully so mate.
As I said the other day, Mark has been emailing me every couple of weeks with updates and sent the sub as soon as he got the new amp in stock. I can only pray now that FedEx don't manhandle this one with a forklift blade like they did the last one!
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Over on Mark's forum, a person made a purchase that was supposed to ship the next day a month ago & it has not been received yet. Mult calls & E-Mails with no response.

What ever is going on, I hope the level of service will get back to the way it was in the past.

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Over on Mark's forum, a person made a purchase that was supposed to ship the next day a month ago & it has not been received yet. Mult calls & E-Mails with no response.

What ever is going on, I hope the level of service will get back to the way it was in the past.
Hey but he is working on something new he won't be able to deliver.
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