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How large is the opening and what is the size of the dining room? The M15 or FV15HP may be safer bets.
9.5' opening.
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Wouldn't the M15 have a decent advantage over the FV15 due to a larger cabinet size and more power?
Not really. They are very similar with all ports open. Power ratings are pretty meaningless for sub comparisons. The advantage of the Monolith 15's huge cabinet is more ULF output headroom without port noise (with one port plugged on each).
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Wouldn't the M15 have a decent advantage over the FV15 due to a larger cabinet size and more power?

Output wise the Monolith 15 and FV15H will be similar. The advantage the Monolith has is the larger cabinet and more port area, which helps it play extremely clean even when pushed very hard. If you really want the most output and extension with the FV15HP you run it in 1 port mode, while the Monolith operates with 2 of the three ports open for the same results. The Monolith subs play so clean and accurate, even when pushed to their limits. The FV15hp is a great sub and was long considered the best 15" sub for the money. It will, however, run into some noticeable port noise operating in 1 port mode with more demanding LFE.



In addition to having two ports open instead of one to get lowest extension, you look at the Monolith 15 you see how long the curved port tubes are. They are actually very much like the SVS PB16-Ultra port tubes were in the original design, but SVS changed that up and went with shorter, straight port tubes for the actual production model.



Here is the PB16-Ultra playing the server room scene from the movie Pulse. Very noticeable port noise, even from this beast. Would this be as much of an issue if SVS had stuck with their original port design? Not sure, but Claridy certainly figured out a way to really limit port noise with their design.

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If you skip to the 3:05 point of this video, you can see how the PB16-Ultra design had long port tubes that curved up and were flared at the ends. Not sure why they ditched this design just before production, but it almost looks like Claridy copied this original design and bracing with the Monolith subs. Could be a total coincidence, however. The PB13-Ultra has the same type of curved ports and bracing.



Here you can see the port design with the Monolith subs (15" shown). Very similar to the original SVS design.




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Output wise the Monolith 15 and FV15H will be similar. If you really want the most output and extension with the FV15HP you run it in 1 port mode, while the Monolith operates with 2 of the three ports open for the same results.
To compare the fv15hp and mono-15 fairly(meaning they would offer similar frequency response/extension) someone would need to run the fv15hp with both ports open and the mono-15 with one port blocked. That puts the quasi-anechoc +/- 3dB window right around 16-17hz for both. I havent heard much complaining from the fv15hp owners about port noise with both open but that isn't something I research at great length either.

With the above configuration the fv15hp has about 35-40% more output capability 35-100hz. They are just about equal <35hz.


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To compare the fv15hp and mono-15 fairly(meaning they would offer similar frequency response/extension) someone would need to run the fv15hp with both ports open and the mono-15 with one port blocked. That puts the quasi-anechoc +/- 3dB window right around 16-17hz for both. I havent heard much complaining from the fv15hp owners about port noise with both open but that isn't something I research at great length either.

With the above configuration the fv15hp has about 35-40% more output capability 35-100hz. They are just about equal <35hz.


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If you want to look at it that way, comparing the FV15HP in it's max output mode (both ports open) and the Monolith THX Ultra 15 in it's max extension mode (2 of 3 ports open), the FV15HP would be down over 7dB @12hz to the Monolith to get the additional headroom higher in range and try and lessen port noise issues. If you compare them in their max extension and max output modes, they are very similar. Again, the advantage the Monolith has is the additional port. The posted data-bass numbers on the FV15HP are also with the rumble filter off, so you can subtract 1dB from those numbers with it on. They are both great subs and you couldn't go wrong with either.


BTW, Tom, I see you are updating your 15" ported and sealed subs. Any chance you'll be sending one or more of these for review and measurements from reviewers like Josh Ricci or Audioholics in the near future? I don't think the current 15" models were reviewed and measured.

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If you want to look at it that way, comparing the FV15HP in it's max output mode (both ports open) and the Monolith THX Ultra 15 in it's max extension mode (2 of 3 ports open), the FV15HP would be down over 7dB @12hz
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. But with both in "all port open mode". The fv15hp still has the edge in output capabilities over the majority of the bandwidth and now, in addition, offers deeper extension as well. If we're just doing "max output mode is all that counts, actual frequency response has no relevance at all"...then add the Hsu 15H too

The Hsu is significantly less cost, more output over the majority of the bandwidth.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here. But with both in "all port open mode". The fv15hp still has the edge in output capabilities over the majority of the bandwidth and now, in addition, offers deeper extension as well. If we're just doing "max output mode is all that counts, actual frequency response has no relevance at all"...then add the Hsu 15H too

The Hsu is significantly less cost, more output over the majority of the bandwidth.

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The VTF-15H is a nice sub, but lower in range it doesn't compete with the Monolith 15. Yes, both FV15Hp and Monolith 15 in "all ports open" they are similar in max output. That's what I've been stating all along, at least with the Monoprice numbers and the data-bass numbers for the Rythmik. Again, deducting 1dB if you want to account for the rumble filter on the FV15HP. When the audioholics review is up for the Monolith 15 is up we'll get a bit better insight into the Monolith 15. I'll ask again, will we be seeing any of PSA subs submitted for review/measuring?


Here's a good thread by Mark Heninger on the measured capabilities of the Monolith THX Ultra 15. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...ns-review.html

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Again, deducting 1dB if you want to account for the rumble filter on the FV15HP. When the audioholics review is up for the Monolith 15 is up we'll get a bit better insight into the Monolith 15. I'll ask again, will we be seeing any of PSA subs submitted for review/measuring?
I don't know what the percentage is for owners using or not using the rumble filter? Without knowing that it seems a bit odd to just assume we should subtract that performance from the fv15hp.

There's no plans to send anything to databass and every time I see how these data-sets are manipulated in these types of threads...I thank god for that.

I should design a dual ported sub, both ports open = 27-28hz. And whenever these "we have to always keep all ports open" arguments start we'd score very high...AND have no/little port noise with EOT as well. I mean, we'd electrically filter out the majority of the signal but that seems to win all the praise anyway

I'm not going to spend my life defending our biggest competitors(rythmik and hsu) but in every scenario you guys put them in the worst possible scenarios. Let's configure their ports so they score lowest. Let's just subtract a dB across the board because someone may or may not(?) use the "rumble filter". Multiple data sets available? Let's always use the one that scores highest for "my sub" and the lowest for others...

Edit: And just for the record, when I compared the fv15hp to our products I didn't subtract a dB because of the "rumble filter" concern. And with any multi-tune sub(rythmik or hsu) I always used the port configuration that would offer the most similar FR to our product. I thought that was the fair thing to do then, same as now(when our products aren't even in the comparison).

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I don't know what the percentage is for owners using or not using the rumble filter? Without knowing that it seems a bit odd to just assume we should subtract that performance from the fv15hp.

There's no plans to send anything to databass and every time I see how these data-sets are manipulated in these types of threads...I thank god for that.

I should design a dual ported sub, both ports open = 27-28hz. And whenever these "we have to always keep all ports open" arguments start we'd score very high...AND have no/little port noise with EOT as well. I mean, we'd electrically filter out the majority of the signal but that seems to win all the praise anyway

I'm not going to spend my life defending our biggest competitors(rythmik and hsu) but in every scenario you guys put them in the worst possible scenarios. Let's configure their ports so they score lowest. Let's just subtract a dB across the board because someone may or may not(?) use the "rumble filter". Multiple data sets available? Let's always use the one that scores highest for "my sub" and the lowest for others...

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I'm not manipulating anything. Example. In order to get the deepest extension with the FV15HP, what port mode do you use? One port plugged. In order to get the deepest extension with the Monolith 15, what port mode do you use? 1 port plugged. Yes, that does leave two ports open on the monolith. That is part of what gives it an advantage lower in range. If I'm Joe Woofer and I'm looking for a sub that can dig deep with strong output down low, THIS is what I'm looking at when comparing these subs.

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I owned an Hsu VTF2-15H and now own dual Monolith 15's. Just based on my initial observations with one Monolith 15 I find it to be on a whole different level and have not even dialed it in yet. You just can't look at a spec sheet, you really need to experience one of these subs. You really have to hear it and experience it to appreciate it, but the sound is just so clean. Claridy /Monoprice really built something special here. I can't wait to get the second one fired and everything dialed in. These things are built like tanks too and really look and feel like a quality product. Forget about the Monoprice name with these, I find the quality to beat Hsu, SVS, Ed, etc subs I have owned in the past.

Will post more as I get them integrated and get REW graphs.

Anyone on the fence with buying one of these Monolith subs should not be.

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Awesome pics. Please also post it in the Subwoofer pic thread.

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Thank you! Will do I am finishing the room this week with the first movie this Saturday. The second Monolith 15 will be nearfield on the back of the riser. My previous room had four 15" DIY subs and I placed one of those nearfield and really love the feel of a nearfield sub.
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Thank you! Will do I am finishing the room this week with the first movie this Saturday. The second Monolith 15 will be nearfield on the back of the riser. My previous room had four 15" DIY subs and I placed one of those nearfield and really love the feel of a nearfield sub.


What other subs have you owned besides the HSU and DIY? Interested is how the mono compares to other subs you may have heard or listened to


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A pair of SVS PB12NSD subs, and then a mis match of other brands over the years (eD, Klipsch, etc). But in my last neighborhood, after I built my media room, I had half the neighborhood (along with some other friends and family) buying subs/speakers/projectors, etc and I have spent a lot of time with SVS PB/SB13 etc, Epik Empire, JL Fathom, HSU, JTR Cap S1 (pair), etc.

I did recommend and help a co-worker install a PB4000 recently and I do recommend SVS a lot to non-audio nuts because they look good, have great support, and people like the app.

In terms of how these subs all compare to say the Monolith 15, that is tough to really say as these were all in different rooms (sizes, treatments, placing, etc) but the most impressive sub I have ever heard was the JTR Cap1 (duals). I already like it (Monolith) over my Hsu VTF-15H and any other sub I have owned. I think I prefer it to the SVS PB4000, in terms of sound quality, but it's close. My neighbor wanted a no holds bar setup so I pointed him to JTR where he bought the Neosis speakers and Cap subs and he really did the room right after I pointed him to AVS Forum and Dennis Erskine's design service (double drywall, GG, proper acoustic panels, speaker layout, etc). It's the best room I have ever been in and the Caps are on another level than Monolith for sure.

I was originally going to go with DIY 18's. But I am finishing a theater room, a general purpose room, have three very active kids (sports/scholastics/music) a big house/yard and I just didn't have time for DIY right now. When the Monolith sale happened I grabbed dual 15's for under $2K shipped on somewhat of a whim (I did as much research as I can). I figured even if I keep them 6-12 months or so I could likely sell them and not lose much money and then I could either chase the JTR or Seaton next level or go DIY again (which is likely what I will do since you get the best bang for your buck). But who knows, I may end up keeping these longer. My room is not that big so dual Monolith 15's may be more than enough and I can always add one or two more.
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I owned an Hsu VTF2-15H and now own dual Monolith 15's. Just based on my initial observations with one Monolith 15 I find it to be on a whole different level and have not even dialed it in yet. You just can't look at a spec sheet, you really need to experience one of these subs. You really have to hear it and experience it to appreciate it, but the sound is just so clean. Claridy /Monoprice really built something special here. I can't wait to get the second one fired and everything dialed in. These things are built like tanks too and really look and feel like a quality product. Forget about the Monoprice name with these, I find the quality to beat Hsu, SVS, Ed, etc subs I have owned in the past.
Same 590 LCR user here!
Debating monolith 15 because of the depth of 27.6 is 9 inches more than my 590 16.25.
My throw distance is limited so I was about to give up monolith 15 but I see you put your unit sideways facing the center channel.
How is that works out for you? No interference? I thought port front is the correct way?

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Same 590 LCR user here!
Debating monolith 15 because of the depth of 27.6 is 9 inches more than my 590 16.25.
My throw distance is limited so I was about to give up monolith 15 but I see you put your unit sideways facing the center channel.
How is that works out for you? No interference? I thought port front is the correct way?
No issues at all, and no you don't need to have the front port/woofer facing into the room. This is why some subs are downfacing by design too, you really should not be worried about port/sub orientation.

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I grabbed dual 15's for under $2K shipped

oh lord I cannot believe I missed a sale on these of that magnitude

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Not exactly sure where to post this (did not feel like starting a new thread as I feel like I really want a Monolith sub), but any idea how much of a step up the Monolith 10" would be vs a Jamo J112?



I am a little hesitant to have 3 "under-powered" subs (I have two J112's in separate rooms; I would put them in the same [large] room if I get the monolith).
Edit: After doing some more research, I think I will save up for one of the bigger siblings (or something else).

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Earlier in the thread we were talking about Ebay and coupons, there is a 20% off coupon today and I tried it on the 12 inch and it worked. Currently the Ebay prices are closer to the monoprice.com worth a try for anyone looking especially if you just want one...
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Woo hoooo what a good day!! I missed the 15% off coupon eBay had in May, looked today on my app and took advantage of the 20% off coupon for father's day they are running. I finally purchased the Monolith 10 . I'm expecting it on the 12th of this month. I almost pulled the trigger on the svs pb1000 when they had it for super cheap. I'm pretty sure I made the right choice.
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These bad people on AVS subwoof forum just "made" me ordered the 10 for no reason at all. But $400 for something so pretty is entirely criminal.

The 20% sale ends in 1 hour 7 minutes btw :-).

BTW I bought this 10 mainly for my music system, but if you are using this as sole movie sub, the 12 is a better choice.






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These bad people on AVS subwoof forum just "made" me ordered the 10 for no reason at all. But $400 for something so pretty is entirely criminal.

The 20% sale ends in 1 hour 7 minutes btw :-).

BTW I bought this 10 mainly for music and experiment, but if you are using this as sole movie sub, the 12 is a better choice.


Congrats. They are absolutely tanks.

Especially for a 10” woofer you cannot find another 10” sub to compete with them, especially for tightness and accuracy.

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Woo hoooo what a good day!! I missed the 15% off coupon eBay had in May, looked today on my app and took advantage of the 20% off coupon for father's day they are running. I finally purchased the Monolith 10 . I'm expecting it on the 12th of this month. I almost pulled the trigger on the svs pb1000 when they had it for super cheap. I'm pretty sure I made the right choice.
I think you will really like it. If you are an old person like me, make sure you get some help unpacking it. That double boxing makes it a challenge to get it out easily without doing harm to yourself.


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Thank you I cant wait... With all the good things i've read on here and the reviews it's going to kill my old NHT SW10. I wouldn't say I'm old but I wouldn't say young either... My hobbies and family defenitly keep me feeling younger. Thanks for the tip on the weight.
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Got in on time for the 20% fleabay special and got the 12in. Excited to hear how it comes to my HSU.

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Thank you I cant wait... With all the good things i've read on here and the reviews it's going to kill my old NHT SW10. I wouldn't say I'm old but I wouldn't say young either... My hobbies and family defenitly keep me feeling younger. Thanks for the tip on the weight.
Absolutely I would abide by this advice. I’m 24 & the 10” version whooped my ass.

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Got in on time for the 20% fleabay special and got the 12in. Excited to hear how it comes to my HSU.

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Awesome! Can’t wait to hear all these new impressions on the monoliths as they deserve to be enjoyed by the community.
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Try unpacking two 15's by yourself

I call it the "Monolith workout"...
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Bought the Monolith 10 for $425, thanks to DaBateman for the eBay heads up. This will be my first 'real' sub, after having only owned a 12" JBL SUB12 and a 10" Sony SA-W2500.

Initially I was going to get a Monolith 12 given the recommendations here, but realized there are subwoofers that are much better than that one. In two years, I move out from my apartment and will have a proper HT ~6000+ cubic foot. Neither a dual setup of M12s or M15s would be sufficient.

PSA S7201 or better is the subwoofer I'll get next.
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