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imagic 09-17-2017 09:35 AM

Monoprice Unveils Three THX-Certified Subwoofers at CEDIA 2017
 
2017 looks like a big year for fans of the Monoprice Monolith line of high-value yet high-performance audio gear. The new Monolith subwoofers come in 10", 12" and 15" sizes and are THX-certified.

Click this link to read more: Monoprice THX-Certified Monolith Subwoofers at CEDIA 2017

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Here's the 12" variant of the new Monolith THX-certified subs.

Marc Alexander 09-17-2017 11:03 AM

Mark, do you know what the criteria for THX certification of subwoofers are? Do you know who the OEM of the Monolith subs is? Claridy Audio?

http://www.thx.com/blog/thx-launches...r-electronics/

imagic 09-17-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 54813764)
Mark, do you know what the criteria for THX certification of subwoofers are? Do you know who the OEM of the Monolith subs is? Claridy Audio?

http://www.thx.com/blog/thx-launches...r-electronics/

Apparently folks have accurately deciphered the OEM, which is always a fun game with Monoprice. Is that who it is? I don't exactly recall, sorry.

I don't recall the precise THX testing and certification criteria for subs, I'd have to Google, cut and paste to pull that off. Forgive me for not doing so as I'm hammering out some other posts today.

Gorilla Killa 09-17-2017 11:30 AM

So Thilo got the boot

imagic 09-17-2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorilla Killa (Post 54813856)
So Thilo got the boot

Something didn't work out, evidently. So now, this.

Gob Bluth 09-17-2017 11:46 AM

The $99 set of 2.1 Logitech speakers I have are THX certified.:D

Looks like a good product but could be a few hundred less. Couldn't imagine passing up the reputation of PSA, HSU, Rythmik, JTR, etc for a similar price / performance ratio.

neelesh 09-17-2017 01:17 PM

I would be very interested to see how the $500 sub compares against the SVS PB-1000. I can't wait for the sub to be reviewed to see what the actual +-3db is and how flat the sub is across the board.

Marc Alexander 09-17-2017 02:14 PM

I'm not going to make any promises as my to-do list is a mile long…

I live within 30 mins of the Monoprice HQ. I will attempt to obtain samples for full measurement & review.

Marc Alexander 09-17-2017 02:23 PM

I'm not sure if Mark edited the original article but I noticed some more details.
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For the sake of reference, THX Select certification means a sub is good for medium-size home theaterrooms of up to 2000 cubic feet, where the viewing distance is 10-12 feet. THX Ultra certified means the sub can handle home theaters up to 3000 cubic feet and with a viewing distance of 12′ or greater.

Peterc613 09-17-2017 04:54 PM

Here are some pictures I took at CEDIA of the $1,299 Monoprice Monolith 15" sub. The driver was pretty heavy and the black oak veneer with 45 degree beveled edges finish looked very nice. It would be interesting to listen to a comparison between this and a JTR 118HT. In subs, there is no replacement for displacement. For myself, the larger cabinet internal volume, 18" driver, and lower port tuning in the JTR puts it at a definite advantage for only $300 more. However the smaller size and black wood grain finish on the Monoprice has a higher WAF factor.

A pair of these at a price of $2,600 would be nice. But again, for $100 less I'd prefer a JTR Cap 2400. The 18" driver in the Cap 2400 has comparable displacement to two 15" drivers, the Cap 2400 has 2,400 watts instead of 2,000 watts (combined), most importantly, the Cap 2400 is tuned lower at 14 Hz and will have much more ULF output below 20 Hz. Plus from a WAF standpoint, she probably would prefer one big black sub to two big black subs, even with the wood grain veneer.

Still, it's a lot of sub for the money and a welcome addition to the Id subwoofer market!


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They were also showing a new in-wall speaker at CEDIA with two 5.25" carbon fiber woofers, a 3" carbon fiber midrange, and a large 4.5" x 3" folded ribbon tweeter (bigger than Golden Ear or Martin Logan) for only $139 (an unbelievable price!). :eek:

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nathanddrews 09-18-2017 07:58 AM

"A challenger appears!"

But seriously, $400 more than the $899 VTF-15H MK2? I hope that $1299 price is just the unrealistic MSRP.

jocedeg 09-18-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gob Bluth (Post 54813936)
The $99 set of 2.1 Logitech speakers I have are THX certified.:D

At some point in time, I think Logitech owned the THX brand.

KidHorn 09-18-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 54817562)
"A challenger appears!"

But seriously, $400 more than the $899 VTF-15H MK2? I hope that $1299 price is just the unrealistic MSRP.

Monoprice has a lot of 25% off deals. They restrict certain items. Not sure if you can use the offers on their subs.

littlefoott 09-18-2017 10:51 AM

There is alot of variables between subs, I am so looking forward to in depth reviews

littlefoott 09-18-2017 11:00 AM

Thx talks about certification
http://www.thx.com/blog/claridy-audio-outlaw/

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 54817562)
"A challenger appears!"

But seriously, $400 more than the $899 VTF-15H MK2? I hope that $1299 price is just the unrealistic MSRP.

Its got a beefier amp and looks like it might have a beefier driver. It will be interesting to see how the output compares.

MIX_MASTER_ICE 09-18-2017 03:52 PM

At least to me, that Monolith logo on the dust cap just screams "cheap-o." I really don't know if I could deal with it and it might even be a deal breaker for me. :eek:

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MIX_MASTER_ICE (Post 54820238)
At least to me, that Monolith logo on the dust cap just screams "cheap-o." I really don't know if I could deal with it and it might even be a deal breaker for me. :eek:

Costco has a $700 bottle of "Kirkland" Scotch that is OEM'd from a respected Scotch maker. If I had $700 to plunk down on a bottle, I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger on that as well. :)

TuteTibiImperes 09-18-2017 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIX_MASTER_ICE (Post 54820238)
At least to me, that Monolith logo on the dust cap just screams "cheap-o." I really don't know if I could deal with it and it might even be a deal breaker for me. :eek:

https://images.monoprice.com/product...ges/244583.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjackkrash (Post 54820712)
Costco has a $700 bottle of "Kirkland" Scotch that is OEM'd from a respected Scotch maker. If I had $700 to plunk down on a bottle, I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger on that as well. :)

https://www.homewetbar.com/images/pr...f-set77592.jpg

Problems solved ;)

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 05:53 PM

If you move it to a better bottle its called "aging scotch." :)

b curry 09-18-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jocedeg (Post 54818118)
At some point in time, I think Logitech owned the THX brand.

Nope, no Logitech in the mix.


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JimWilson 09-18-2017 06:03 PM

This sub presents an interesting dichotomy. Monoprice, not known for high-end products, is seemingly about to release a subwoofer that runs counter to their long established reputation. The appearance suggests quality components and a solid level of engineering, which one would naturally assume to be true if Claridy really was involved. It has a somewhat unique style, a cabinet weight that indicates stout materials and (hopefully) the parts suppliers will be more reliable than TC Sounds. Even the performance claims seem more in line with reality, certainly far more so than the baloney they published on last years uber sub. Unless this turns out to be another failed product launch, or it doesn't perform as advertised once in the wild, Monoprice may have something really nice on offer. Let's hope it's not another Hyundai Genesis though...

When a manufacturer known only for entry level products tries to step into the big leagues it frequently doesn't end well, even if the products are worthy. I don't know if the Genesis is a nice car but what's written about it does imply Hyundai did a pretty good job overall, especially considering the price relative to their target competition, but marginal sales demonstrates the public wasn't interested. An expensive Hyundai, however good it may be, simply was not high on too many peoples list. Toyota, Honda and Nissan all realized that same potential stigma many years ago of course, so they established their up-scale brands into separate divisions to combat it. Partially because of that Lexus, Acura and Infiniti have all succeeded and their respective sales volume shows they have carved out a nice space for themselves.

THX certification does set Monoprice apart, which is almost always good, but at what cost? There are a small handful of companies who can lay claim to selling THX certified subwoofers, but they all seem rather pricey by comparison. Doubtful that's a coincidence. You have to wonder if the designation results in additional sales or is it just an expensive add-on that brings no discernible value to most owners. People active in on-line communities/forums are probably Monoprice's biggest customers, and my gut tells me most won't be impressed once they learn it costs them more money because of it. But who knows.

Either way, I'm curious to see how this pans out. If nothing else you have to applaud their effort. It's not always easy to switch gears and go against the grain, or to try and reinvent yourself, but sometimes it does end in a triumph. Maybe that's what happens in this case?

jocedeg 09-18-2017 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b curry (Post 54820874)
Nope, no Logitech in the mix.


Lucasfilm (1983–2002)

Creative Technology (2002–2016)

Razer Inc. (2016–present)

Right: got it confused with Creative...

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimWilson (Post 54820904)
Monoprice, not known for high-end products, is seemingly about to release a subwoofer that runs counter to their long established reputation.

I have a Monolith 7 Channel amp; its over 100 lbs. and OEM'd by ATI and it appears to be very high quality (if not flashy). Hopefully the subs are in the same vein.

imagic 09-18-2017 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjackkrash (Post 54820960)
I have a Monolith 7 Channel amp; its over 100 lbs. and OEM'd by ATI and it appears to be very high quality (if not flashy). Hopefully the subs are in the same vein.

Yup, the Monolith line is definitely stepping things up in term of what you'd think of in terms of sheer performance when it comes to Monoprice. Subwoofers are NOT rocket science, contrary to popular belief. If you put the right ingredients together in the right box using known design principles and you're likely gonna get a good result.

Looking at these subs in person, and looking at the specs, it sure appears they are competitors. I liked the ATI Monolith amp and reviewed that one quite positively, agreed hopefully we're talking a similar value proposition with the subs.

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 54821032)
Looking at these subs in person, and looking at the specs, it sure appears they are competitors. I liked the ATI Monolith amp and reviewed that one quite positively, agreed hopefully we're talking a similar value proposition with the subs.

At the MSRP, the 15" needs to edge out a 15" ported Rythmik or at least equal it. So it needs to be a very good sub or subject to a 20% off monoprice discount code. Either way, it looks like a pretty nice offering. I am looking forward to your review. :)

imagic 09-18-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjackkrash (Post 54821124)
At the MSRP, the 15" needs to edge out a 15" ported Rythmik or at least equal it. So it needs to be a very good sub or subject to a 20% off monoprice discount code. Either way, it looks like a pretty nice offering. I am looking forward to your review. :)

In other words, it needs to be competitive in a tough crowd. So far power and xmax specs seem to put the two in the same league. If it comes down to discounts and shipping costs versus the likes of Rhythmik, PSA, Hsu, etc. then, uh... I'd say Monoprice is doing well. Yes?

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peterc613 (Post 54815140)
For myself, the larger cabinet internal volume, 18" driver, and lower port tuning in the JTR puts it at a definite advantage for only $300 more. However the smaller size and black wood grain finish on the Monoprice has a higher WAF factor.

If your choices are a big 15" ported sub and something bigger, I would think you were way past worrying about WAF. ;)

imagic 09-18-2017 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjackkrash (Post 54821164)
If your choices are a big 15" ported sub and something bigger, I would think you were way past worrying about WAF. ;)

Lol. Yeah. You know what's hardcore WAF? Infinite baffle in the attic or basement.

jjackkrash 09-18-2017 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 54821160)
In other words, it needs to be competitive in a tough crowd. So far power and xmax specs seem to put the two in the same league. If it comes down to discounts and shipping costs versus the likes of Rhythmik, PSA, Hsu, etc. then, uh... I'd say Monoprice is doing well. Yes?

Yes, exactly right. Right now, if my budget was $900-$950 shipped, I'm going with HSU's cheapest 15" ported. For $1300-1350 shipped, I'm going with Rythmik's 15" ported. And in between I am thinking of PSA. So, yes, its in a tough crowd, and I suspect for $1000 its would crush sales. For $1300 (or more) shipped it needs really rock. But that driver looks pretty impressive and a 1000W RMS amp is also pretty impressive. I can't wait till a few of these get let loose in the wild.


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