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Can't Seem to Hear SVS PB-2000 When Playing Music

I recently upgraded from a Bic H-100 to an SVS PB-2000. Watching movies, the difference is night and day. The PB is amazing. Hearing things I never knew were there, it vibrates the couch, and even annoyingly vibrates the projector and blurs the image. I love it. However, when it comes to music, it might as well be turned off.

For music, I no longer hear certain bass I heard before. A perfect example of this is the song "This Could Be Anywhere in the World" by AlexIsOnFire. At 8 and 12 seconds, there is a great bass sound IMO. It's one of my favorite bass moments in music and it was quite audible through the Bic H-100. It's barely there with PB-2000.

Crossover is/was disabled on both subs and the receiver's crossover has always been set to 80Hz. Gain on the SVS is around 11 o'clock and at +2 db on the receiver. I increased it on the receiver all the way up to 15 db and still nothing.

Why is this? Anyone willing to listen to that track with their PB-2000?

As always, thanks for reading and thanks for your thoughts.
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Is it just the one track that is lacking or all music?

What surround mode are you using for music in your AVR? If it is Direct or Pure, you may not be getting a signal to you sub.

Also could be that the Bic was peaky in a certain frequency range while the SVS has a flatter response and you are not getting the same "feel" as before. A lot of people take a bit of time to get used to a flatter response. Might be it...might not.
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1) I know said you have the AVR's crossover set to 80Hz, but are you sure you have the front speakers set to SMALL?

2) As pointed out, maybe you are using a listening mode for 2-channel that doesn't utilize the subwoofer, and instead sends a full-range signal to your front speakers.
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The mode on the receiver is simply Stereo and is the same mode I used when the Bic was connected. I have my fronts set to 60 Hz. I'm pretty sure that's where I had them when I had the Bic connected. They're a pair of Klipsch RF-82ii which are rated down to 33Hz on paper.
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The mode on the receiver is simply Stereo and is the same mode I used when the Bic was connected. I have my fronts set to 60 Hz. I'm pretty sure that's where I had them when I had the Bic connected. They're a pair of Klipsch RF-82ii which are rated down to 33Hz on paper.
If the sub is working for movies, then there is something up with your AVR and how it is setup.

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You sure you have speakers set to small? You don't wnat them set to large. Not sure what receiver you are using or what size your room is, but you should never boost the sub signal to the maximum from the receiver. Set the PB-2000 to around 1-2 o'clock and re-run whatever calibration method your receiver uses. You want the end result of the sub level somewhere around the -6 to -10 range. then you can increase the level from there, but don't go past 0 into the + numbers.

I played that song from youtube with my Jamo J-110 sub, which will be more similar to the Bic H100 than the PB-2000. It has some bass but nothing I would really even call a bass heavy song. I think what you are referring to is kind of a rumble of bass that lasts briefly. It could be that you had the Bic sub cranked really high and it is going to have an exaggerated, peaky response in the 50-70Hz range. The PB-2000 is going to be much more accurate and linear. Still yet, if you are maxing out the sub level on the receiver, which you shouldn't do, and the PB-2000 is doing nothing, there is a set up issue. Double check XO setting, speaker size and also just make sure the PB-2000 is actually on. lol
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The mode on the receiver is simply Stereo and is the same mode I used when the Bic was connected. I have my fronts set to 60 Hz. I'm pretty sure that's where I had them when I had the Bic connected. They're a pair of Klipsch RF-82ii which are rated down to 33Hz on paper.
As others have said, if not set to "small" the AVR will only output LFE to the sub during movies.

There is no LFE in music to speak of.

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I'm a complete moron. Just checked the setting and the fronts were set to Full Band. I could've sworn I changed that to 60Hz! Sorry for wasting your time. The SVS presents itself now when playing music as anticipated. Thank you.
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I'm a complete moron. Just checked the setting and the fronts were set to Full Band. I could've sworn I changed that to 60Hz! Sorry for wasting your time. The SVS presents itself now when playing music as anticipated. Thank you.
Yeah, I know with my Onkyo receiver that every time I go to the menu to turn the sub on after it has been set to off, it also sets the front speakers to full band. Have to manually switch the XO every time. ANyway, good deal that it was something simple and you are good to go now.

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I'm a complete moron. Just checked the setting and the fronts were set to Full Band. I could've sworn I changed that to 60Hz! Sorry for wasting your time. The SVS presents itself now when playing music as anticipated. Thank you.
Now that you've figured it out, another tip I would tell you is: understand that the gain on the sub itself can pushed as high as 4 o'clock. The digital Sledge amps are designed to actually be set at higher gains so that you would have a considerably low negative on your AVR's sub trim (like -6db or so). Majority of receivers will clip the sub signal when pushed into the positives - which introduces weird anomalies and distortion in the bass region.

Basically, if you desire more output - up the gain on the sub itself and NOT on the receiver. Do not be afraid of pushing them high, I have my subs at 3 o'clock (SB2000s, which has the same exact plate amp as the PB2000)!

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Now that you've figured it out, another tip I would tell you is: understand that the gain on the sub itself can pushed as high as 4 o'clock. The digital Sledge amps are designed to actually be set at higher gains so that you would have a considerably low negative on your AVR's sub trim (like -6db or so). Majority of receivers will clip the sub signal when pushed into the positives - which introduces weird anomalies and distortion in the bass region.

Basically, if you desire more output - up the gain on the sub itself and NOT on the receiver. Do not be afraid of pushing them high, I have my subs at 3 o'clock (SB2000s, which has the same exact plate amp as the PB2000)!
This is true. I find you have to put the dial to at least 2 o'clock on these amps to have the sub come alive.
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I use a trigger wire to turn mine on and have it set perfectly so audyssey sets it at -11.5, it blows out a candle at 9ft at referance volume (edge of tommorow intro).
This leaves all the amplification at the sub and tons of headroom for punch and upping the level trim on the avr to personal taste (running hot).

these pb2000's have great performance if you set them right.

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I use a trigger wire to turn mine on and have it set perfectly so audyssey sets it at -11.5, it blows out a candle at 9ft at referance volume (edge of tommorow intro).
This leaves all the amplification at the sub and tons of headroom for punch and upping the level trim on the avr to personal taste (running hot).

these pb2000's have great performance if you set them right.
Hi...I have a Marantz6012 amp and recently purchased a PB2000 - However I'm not happy with the base when I listen to the music. I've set the speakers to small and frequency to 80 - Sub dial at 12 0 Clock. I'm not an expert here to do a fine tuning... Kindly suggest me a best setting so that I can try it out straight away.
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Hi...I have a Marantz6012 amp and recently purchased a PB2000 - However I'm not happy with the base when I listen to the music. I've set the speakers to small and frequency to 80 - Sub dial at 12 0 Clock. I'm not an expert here to do a fine tuning... Kindly suggest me a best setting so that I can try it out straight away.
Did you run Audyssey on the Marantz?

You can set your sub volume up after calibration as long as the sub did not bottom out at -12db when you ran calibration.

You can also turn it up on the knob on the back of the sub after calibration as well.

Are you sure that all of the "features" on the AVR are turned off such as dynamic volume, Audyssey LFC, etc?




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Did you run Audyssey on the Marantz?

You can set your sub volume up after calibration as long as the sub did not bottom out at -12db when you ran calibration.

You can also turn it up on the knob on the back of the sub after calibration as well.

Are you sure that all of the "features" on the AVR are turned off such as dynamic volume, Audyssey LFC, etc?
PB 2000's suck. I have 2 PB 2000's and can't wait to replace them. Especially for music.

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Sandesh and cagerone. Denon/Marantz have a separate setting for 2 channel. If it is set to large it will over ride the crossover setting in the speaker crossover menu and your sub will not be playing in 2 channel.
Have you checked for this?
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Hi...I have a Marantz6012 amp and recently purchased a PB2000 - However I'm not happy with the base when I listen to the music. I've set the speakers to small and frequency to 80 - Sub dial at 12 0 Clock. I'm not an expert here to do a fine tuning... Kindly suggest me a best setting so that I can try it out straight away.
First! Do a sub crawl!! Google it. "subwoofer crawl" This is vital! It can change everything if the sub is in the wrong place for the room.

As for great bass.

It took me a few runs of audyssey and tuning the sub dial to achieve this result. (15 extra minutes traded for years of enjoyment)

Aim for audyessy to set the sub trim in the mid negatives so there is headroom for hard bass hits without distortion. (eg: -9db set by audyessy would work fine). if you want to increase the bass, do it "after calibration"! From -9 ish you could add 3db post calibration and manually set it to -6db. this is called running hot. ( I run hot using the audio subwoofer menu as it overrides the main settings and I can turn it off to go back to the calibrated settings)

With audyessey, the bass level can be set without changing the mic positions while you adjust the sub dial (start at 12 o'clock). once the bass level is where you want it, then do a final audyessey run using all mic positions.

enjoy!

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