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post #121 of 141 Old 11-19-2018, 09:43 PM
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Do you own any version of the Cap 1400, the Cap 118HT or the Rythmik FV18? I DO.

Have you compared any version of the FV18 vs the Cap 1400 vs the Cap 118HT in the same room? I HAVE.

All you have is anecdotal evidence... Have you even compared any Rythmik sub vs JTR sub in the same room?

Both my Cap 1400 and the Cap 118HT were ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL from the Rythmik FV18 I heard at Marc's open den on concrete slab.

Don't get me started on durability and usability... At Marc's GTG, we tested all subs equally and only the Rythmik FV18 was damaged. Why was that?
I have not but I don’t ever make vague statement like yours UNLESS I have compared the same subs. Again, you DID NOT audition the same subs the op was asking; therefore, your statement is meaningless regardless of what subs you own or have heard. Perhaps the FV18 aluminum driver you heard was too clean for you if that was what you meant by ‘on a different level’. Now it is that you own the cap 1400 and 4000ulf that make you think JTR subs must be on a different level? Really? There is a difference between sub enthusiastic and brand loyalty and you are obviously the later. By the way, I said enough and I think the op or folks here understand the point I am trying to make. There is no need to derail this thread.
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There's the Limiter switch; turn it on to protect the driver from over-excursion during demanding movie soundtracks. Off is primarily for those who use their subwoofer for 2 channel music.
Here is my take:

Movies are much more demanding for the sub due to the ULF. There is rarely any content below 30Hz in normal music. Unless the limiter degrades the sound quality, it should be on at all times. Then why give the user the chance to blow up the driver?

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You really should put the subs in the cart to find out... I did...

Unless something has changed, Rythmik always gives 10% discount on both subs if orders them at the same time.
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Unless something has changed, Rythmik always gives 10% discount on both subs if orders them at the same time.
The $1599 includes the discount. Its $1699 and when you add 2 to cart and update the price changes to $1599

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Now it is that you own the cap 1400 and 4000ulf that make you think JTR subs must be on a different level?
Nope. Why don't you re-read Marc's GTG thread?

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Nope. Why don't you re-read Marc's GTG thread?
I read that thread many times and I also talked to Marc in person so I know exactly what his take is for the subs. Again, your post has NOTHING to do with the op’s question. You just don’t ever get it.
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Here is my take:

Movies are much more demanding for the sub due to the ULF. There is rarely any content below 30Hz in normal music. Unless the limiter degrades the sound quality, it should be on at all times. Then why give the user the chance to blow up the driver?
I am sure Brian can give you a half page answer on this...however he has indicated that most of his customer base requires this type of optionality and demand that the natural sound is not electronically controlled.

Again from Jim:

Most subwoofer companies overcome small cabinet dimensions by using DSP (Digital Signal Processing) to boost the low frequencies and extend the effective range. Rythmik does not use DSP, preferring physics and their patented servo system instead of electronic aids. That suggests to me even though the cabinet is not terribly large it's still close to ideal for the parameters of the drivers. As with food, naturally derived beats artificially added.

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The $1599 includes the discount. Its $1699 and when you add 2 to cart and update the price changes to $1599
Doesn’t come out to be 10% discount though. Perhaps the margin is so thin on the FV18 already?
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I have not but I don’t ever make vague statement like yours UNLESS I have compared the same subs. Again, you DID NOT audition the same subs the op was asking; therefore, your statement is meaningless regardless of what subs you own or have heard. Perhaps the FV18 aluminum driver you heard was too clean for you if that was what you meant by ‘on a different level’. There is no need to derail this thread.
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Based on what, the Cap1400 is at a different level? Cost? Output? Extension? Size? Look? SQ? Adjustability? Have you heard them both in the same room?
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Based on output from 16~50Hz, size, look, SQ, TR, durability, usability and port wind...

I compared my 2015 Cap 1400 and the original Rythmik FV18 extensively at Marc's huge open family room.
Now, I have not heard the FV18 paper cone vs the Cap 118HT. The 1400 is a step above the Cap 118HT, an entry level 18" sub. Having 3db more output above 40Hz and wider ports do not magically make the FV18 paper cone a $2000+ sub killer.

I supplied my impression and why I stated the Cap 1400 is on a different level from the FV18 I heard. That is more meaningful than your post of:

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I don't own any of these subs...
I have not compared the said subs in the same room.
Please stop derailing this thread.

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The 1400 is a step above the Cap 118HT, an entry level 18" sub. Having 3db more output above 40Hz and wider ports do not magically make the FV18 paper cone a $2000+ sub killer.
Again, you are all about output. A sub that has more output must be on a different level. No, there are a whole lot more to a sub than just plain output especially when we are talking about a pair of subs at these levels of the 118/1400/FV18. I do not say or ever indicate that the FV18 paper cone is a $2000+ sub killer, so please do not put words in my mouth. Speaking of putting words in my mouth, I don’t know how you can quote something I never posted. Seriously, be real man.



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Now, I have not heard the FV18 paper cone vs the Cap 118HT.
I rest my case with you. What was the op’ s question again?
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Between a pair of Rythmik FV18 paper cone and pair of 2019 JTR 118HT which is better?
Then you went ahead and suggested the 1400. Have you heard the 1400 and FV18 paper cone? You also have not, but the 1400 is on a different level. See the discrepancy I have been trying so hard to point out? I am done and OUT.
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Speaking of putting words in my mouth, I don’t know how you can quote something I never posted. Seriously, be real man.
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You win! I rest my case with you.
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Then you went ahead and suggested the 1400...
I did so because the Cap 1400 at $1799 each shipped is a great deal! Don't forget, that's almost $600 off from its price just before the Cap 1400 was discontinued. It's all moot now because they are no longer available!


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@chucky7 LOL

FWIW Chucky7 has been neutral on many occasions with subs. He is one of the few that identify; some subs dont work for everybody in their specific "room"
Just my 2 cents
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@chucky7 LOL

FWIW Chucky7 has been neutral on many occasions with subs. He is one of the few that identify; some subs dont work for everybody in their specific "room"
Just my 2 cents
You mean not every JTR sub?
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You mean not every JTR sub?
Just FYI, when mpk1970 was sub hunting in his thread, I called him to discuss how to make the FV25HP work in his room. I always recommend getting the biggest subs the room allows, then get a second down the road, if necessary. He insisted on dual and did not want to spend close to $5000 on subs.
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Just FYI, when mpk1970 was sub hunting in his thread, I called him to discuss how to make the FV25HP work in his room. I always recommend getting the biggest subs the room allows, then get a second down the road, if necessary. He insisted on dual and did not want to spend close to $5000 on subs.


That’s one for the history books then eh?
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That’s one for the history books then eh?
It’s all good man.


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He also spoke highly of the Monolith 15 and liked the HSU also. Yes @chucky7 was doing a great job trying to get me to spend like $20K on subs
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Sorry to resurect this dead thread, but these are 2 subs I am highly interested in.


The new (2019) version of the JTR 118th, vs. the 18" Rythmik aluminum cone.



Did we ever reach a conclusion on this topic, apart from all the arguing?
How does the new JTR distortion compare to the low-level distortion on the Rhtymik?
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Sorry to resurect this dead thread, but these are 2 subs I am highly interested in.


The new (2019) version of the JTR 118th, vs. the 18" Rythmik aluminum cone.



Did we ever reach a conclusion on this topic, apart from all the arguing?
How does the new JTR distortion compare to the low-level distortion on the Rhtymik?


Read my sub comparison thread. Jeff lowered the tune a bit since.

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Sorry to resurect this dead thread, but these are 2 subs I am highly interested in.


The new (2019) version of the JTR 118th, vs. the 18" Rythmik aluminum cone.



Did we ever reach a conclusion on this topic, apart from all the arguing?
How does the new JTR distortion compare to the low-level distortion on the Rhtymik?


Here is the link to thread I mentioned above

Subwoofer comparisons and impressions
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Sorry to resurect this dead thread, but these are 2 subs I am highly interested in.


The new (2019) version of the JTR 118th, vs. the 18" Rythmik aluminum cone.



Did we ever reach a conclusion on this topic, apart from all the arguing?
How does the new JTR distortion compare to the low-level distortion on the Rhtymik?


Here is the link to thread I mentioned above

Subwoofer comparisons and impressions
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So what is your key takeaway? Which is the superior sub and why?
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So what is your key takeaway? Which is the superior sub and why?
Did you read the first post? Its all in there

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