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Sub $200 sub for entry level 5.1 system

Hey folks. My daughter just got her first place away from home and I gave her an older Pioneer Elite AVR that does DD and set her up with fronts, a center and surrounds I had sitting unused.......but being a basshead, there's no subs available for charitable donation that won't get her evicted so I want to buy her a sub......for less than $200

After lots of research and currently available deals I've narrowed it to three subs

BIC F-7
Dayton Sub1200
Polk Audio PSW505

All are within 5% of each other on price, but given the original MSRP and specs of the now discontinued Polk, it looks to me to be the far and away winner.

Thoughts?.........and please, no upgrade suggestions or over $200 options or DIY........there's simply no time or $$$ left in dad's wallet at the moment!
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Bic F12 and Polk 505 will be better than the Dayton. F12 and PSW 505 are pretty close. My preference would be for the Polk (sounded a bit cleaner from what I recall from years ago), but that is me.
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I don't believe I've ever heard of the Bic F-7. Frys.com often runs the Klipsch sub-12hg for under $300 w/promo code. Sometimes they offer shipping, sometimes they don't. I like that sub a lot for under $200 and I had a couple of them in the past. The Polk PSW505, which is currently $189.99, is also a solid performer in this price range. From my experience with owning these subs, I would pay the extra $40 or so and get that over the Dayton sub-1200, which has a really cheap build quality.

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Hey folks. My daughter just got her first place away from home and I gave her an older Pioneer Elite AVR that does DD and set her up with fronts, a center and surrounds I had sitting unused.......but being a basshead, there's no subs available for charitable donation that won't get her evicted so I want to buy her a sub......for less than $200

After lots of research and currently available deals I've narrowed it to three subs

BIC F-7
Dayton Sub1200
Polk Audio PSW505

All are within 5% of each other on price, but given the original MSRP and specs of the now discontinued Polk, it looks to me to be the far and away winner.

Thoughts?.........and please, no upgrade suggestions or over $200 options or DIY........there's simply no time or $$$ left in dad's wallet at the moment!
I'd get the Emotiva BasX S8.
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I'd get the Emotiva BasX S8.
Can't say I'd agree with a much smaller driver with a stamped frame and 150w over the Polk.
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Can't say I'd agree with a much smaller driver with a stamped frame and 150w over the Polk.
Well, according to this review the Polk is a 35hz sub.

I'm sure it will play louder than the BasX S8 though.

https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_1...er-4-2005.html

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Well, according to this review the Polk is a 35hz sub.

I'm sure it will play louder than the BasX S8 though.

https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_1...er-4-2005.html
That very same review by Ed Mullen (of SVS) shows in the 2000 ft^3 room he was testing in the PSW505 held flat down to 25Hz and had a mid-bas hump in the 60-70Hz region, which is very typical of a ported budget sub. It was then -10dB @20hz . Flat to 25Hz is about as good as you will get from a sub under 200 bones.

As far as the BasX S8, what I've read is people having port noise issues with it and it certainly wouldn't be a good choice for movies. I've even read of people on this board stuffing the port to stop the chuffing even at only moderate volume levels. That's reminiscent of what I used to hear of people doing to the very poor performing 50w Polk PSW10. I think the S8 would be a better fit for a small room or PC set up to add some bass to say a pair of bookshelf speakers that down have much lower range.

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Bic F12 and Polk 505 will be better than the Dayton. F12 and PSW 505 are pretty close. My preference would be for the Polk (sounded a bit cleaner from what I recall from years ago), but that is me.
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These are likely your best options for your budget, unless you can find a good deal on the used market.

Alternatively, you can get dual Yamaha YST-SW216 and still be under budget.
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That very same review by Ed Mullen (of SVS) shows in the 2000 ft^3 room he was testing in the PSW505 held flat down to 25Hz and had a mid-bas hump in the 60-70Hz region, which is very typical of a ported budget sub. It was then -10dB @20hz . Flat to 25Hz is about as good as you will get from a sub under 200 bones.

As far as the BasX S8, what I've read is people having port noise issues with it and it certainly wouldn't be a good choice for movies. I've even read of people on this board stuffing the port to stop the chuffing even at only moderate volume levels. That's reminiscent of what I used to hear of people doing to the very poor performing 50w Polk PSW10. I think the S8 would be a better fit for a small room or PC set up to add some bass to say a pair of bookshelf speakers that down have much lower range.
The review I linked indicated he employed a parametric equalizer to get his in room results.

The BasX S8 at moderate to loud volumes in a smaller room would be an excellent choice and promise to measure far flatter if BasX S12 results to spec are a good measure.

The vast majority of AVS owners have not mentioned chuffing or stuffing ports with the S8.

If my dual 50 watt Yamaha SW012s in my 400 sq/ft secondary room, albeit with minidsp, sound just fine, no chuffing, plenty of volume, a single more powerful 150 watt basX might be all the op needs.

Sure, they don't rattle windows like my main 1250 watt 15" sealed servo but different horses for courses.

But if loud is what the OP wants the larger more powerful and peaky Polk is a better choice as I mentioned in my first post.

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The review I linked indicated he employed a parametric equalizer to get his in room results.
What I posted previous on the 25Hz was the sub performance in-room only with no EQ. Yes, Ed did follow that by using a parametric EQ to achieve better results and an even lower ± 3dB of 23Hz.

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What I posted previous on the 25Hz was the sub performance in-room only with no EQ. Yes, Ed did follow that by using a parametric EQ to achieve better results and an even lower ± 3dB of 23Hz.
I think we can both agree that by definition a $200 sub has to be compromised in some fashion.

But, then again, the "budget" sub category $600 or less has never been better here in the US, which is something to be thankful for.

My first sub was in the late 80s and to get a real sub back then cost the equivalent of $3500 +/- in today's money, (ULD 15)!
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Polk. That peaky bass is what she would want. Flat frequency response subs are wasted on the young!
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I think we can both agree that by definition a $200 sub has to be compromised in some fashion.

In the sub $200 category I would prefer a smaller,tighter, more efficient bass sound than large and sloppy. The Emotiva S8 and Yamaha's won't pressurize a room but could be enough to enjoy the sound without the risk of eviction. When you can go to a $500+ sub, the small sub will still be useful for smaller secondary setups or 2.1 systems. The large "budget" sub will eventually make you unhappy no matter how or where you place it.
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In the sub $200 category I would prefer a smaller,tighter, more efficient bass sound than large and sloppy. The Emotiva S8 and Yamaha's won't pressurize a room but could be enough to enjoy the sound without the risk of eviction. When you can go to a $500+ sub, the small sub will still be useful for smaller secondary setups or 2.1 systems. The large "budget" sub will eventually make you unhappy no matter how or where you place it.
I think I agree but it is hard to argue with RayGuy's comment that many youngsters prefer "in your face...hey I can hear the subwoofer" bass.

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I think I agree but it is hard to argue with RayGuy's comment that many youngsters prefer "in your face...hey I can hear the subwoofer" bass.
It's like you said. In this price range you have to prioritize and decide what you are going to compromise on. Young people may prefer loud but if they grew up around quality gear then they may have developed a more discerning ear from their exposure, but there is a strong case for the Polk in this situation.
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My vote would be for a young adult get the Bic-F12, it did me well when I started out in this hobby a longggggg time ago.

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