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Outlaw is selling B stock x13s for $999
VS Monolith thx 15s for $1300. I have a 5000ft3 room and plan on going duals in 6 months after my first subwoofer.

Is the Monolith $300 better?
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Outlaw is selling B stock x13s for $999
VS Monolith thx 15s for $1300. I have a 5000ft3 room and plan on going duals in 6 months after my first subwoofer.

Is the Monolith $300 better?

Keep in mind the Monolith 15 is a new sub, while you are getting a b-stock Outlaw. I'm really not sure what type of possible flaws there could be and you could call them to possibly find out. Performance wise the Monolith 15 will offer more than the Outlaw, which would probably be beneficial with your very large room. Around 2-4dB more output potential depending on frequency.

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Outlaw is selling B stock x13s for $999
VS Monolith thx 15s for $1300. I have a 5000ft3 room and plan on going duals in 6 months after my first subwoofer.

Is the Monolith $300 better?
I just posted this in the other thread but that's turning into a Final Destination script contest for me, Mark, Jeff, etc now so let me attach this file quickly. I heard something howling behind the shop last night and the full moon is almost here so...

The outlaw is about 2dB down from the mono15.

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Outlaw is selling B stock x13s for $999
VS Monolith thx 15s for $1300. I have a 5000ft3 room and plan on going duals in 6 months after my first subwoofer.

Is the Monolith $300 better?
I just posted this in the other thread but

that's turning into a Final Destination script contest for me, Mark, Jeff, etc now so let me attach this file quickly. I heard something howling behind the shop last night and the full moon is almost here so...

The outlaw is about 2dB down from the mono15.

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Wow! some very good info. By chance was THD (%) measured as well?
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Wow! some very good info. By chance was THD (%) measured as well?
As far as the two subs you asked about go, they both bear the same THX certification and a part of this is a low distortion threshold at high volumes. I would anticipate them both to play very clean but will defer to anyone with direct experience if they can comment otherwise.
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Wow! some very good info. By chance was THD (%) measured as well?
Audioholics hasn't reviewed the Mono 15 yet, but you can get some idea as to how the mono 12 compares to the Outlaw X13.

https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...-12/conclusion

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Wow! some very good info. By chance was THD (%) measured as well?
All of the output figures were measured using the industry standard cea/cta 2010 protocol which included distortion limits based on audibility studies published over the last 15 years or so.

So while the exact amount of thd per sub(and per frequency range) can vary all of the output "scores" should be considered "maximum clean output". At least with movies or music.

You can read more here.

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Audioholics measured/reviewed the Outlaw Ultra-X13 and also measured/reviewed the Monolith THX Ultra 12. Audioholics is supposed to have a review with measurements of the Monolith 15 upcoming sometime in the future. Their measurements for the Monolith 12 were for the most part a bit better than what Monoprice has posted for the 12. So it's a pretty safe bet the Monoprice numbers for the 15" are legit and maybe even slightly understated compared to Audioholics. At any rate, here's how they shake out.


(all ports open)(audioholics)-(audioholics)---(monoprice) (2M RMS)

---------------Monolith 12--Outlaw UltraX13--Monolith 15

16Hz------------97.6------------ 98.1------------103.3
20Hz------------106-------------106.8-----------109.6
25Hz------------110-------------111.1-----------113.6
31Hz------------111.3-----------114.1-----------116.5
40Hz------------112.4-----------115.2-----------117.9
50Hz------------112.2-----------115-------------117.6
63Hz------------111.9-----------115.1-----------117
80Hz------------111.8-----------115.1-----------115.7
100Hz-----------112.9-----------115.0-----------117.1


(max extension )(audioholics)-(audioholics)---(monoprice) (2M RMS)

---------------Monolith 12--Outlaw UltraX13--Monolith 15

16Hz------------98.5------------ 102.3------------104.5
20Hz------------104.7-----------105.8------------108.6
25Hz------------107--------------108.9------------112.4
31Hz------------109.7------------111.7------------115.2
40Hz------------110---------------113.1------------116.7
50Hz------------110.7-------------113.7------------116.8
63Hz------------110.6-------------114.1------------116.5
80Hz------------111.3-------------114.3------------116.4
100Hz-----------111.9-------------114.2------------116.9


Of note is in max extension mode the Monolith 15 has two ports open and the Ultra-X13 has one port open. In extension mode you have more port area on the Monolith, so less chance for port noise. Also of note is the Monolith subs have the ability to switch from THX mode to extended mode, which, as per the Audioholics review, gives you a few additional dB's of output lower in range.



Here are links to the reviews posted by Audioholics.
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...udio-ultra-x13
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...lith-10201d-12

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Outlaw X13 is a good value for 1k. The Mono15 is also a great value...I don't think you can do wrong either way from a performance standpoint. I do like the Outlaw being it is downfiring and works well as a end table placed near field. That being said, the performance increase you get for 300.00 more from the Mono15 is worth it if you need the extra headroom. So if you plan on trying to watch movies and music at Reference level with a single sub, get the biggest you can afford.
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The Mono 15 should outperform the Outlaw, but it comes down to budget. I tend to buy the most sub I can afford so I don't have regrets but budget is budget and the Outlaw is no slouch.
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The Mono 15 should outperform the Outlaw, but it comes down to budget. I tend to buy the most sub I can afford so I don't have regrets but budget is budget and the Outlaw is no slouch.

Based on selling price, I wouldn't say the Monolith THX Ultra 15 should outperform the outlaw Ultra-X13. The Outlaw price is $1658/shipped and the Monolith 15 is $1300/shipped. Now when Outlaw runs this b-stock sale for $999/shipped its not a bad deal and a big discount over a new one at their price. Still yet, it's not really as good of a deal as you might think when you compare it to similar competition. The HSU VTF-15H mk2, for example, is normally $1072/shipped and currently on sale for $1032. 16-80Hz the HSU has more max output in most instances and at some frequencies the advantage is pushing 5dB more. Actually, they are pretty much even at 16Hz, but above that the HSU has the advantage with a couple of exceptions. This taking into consideration both 1 port and 2 port modes.



One other thing to note on the Outlaw Ultra-X13 and the Monolith THX Ultra 15 is in how they are THX rated. The Monolith is THX certified in both extension and output modes. The Outlaw is only THX certified if you run it in 2 port mode (max output), while the Monolith is THX certified in both 3 ports open (max output) and 2 ports open(max extension).

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Based on selling price, I wouldn't say the Monolith THX Ultra 15 should outperform the outlaw Ultra-X13. The Outlaw price is $1658/shipped and the Monolith 15 is $1300/shipped. Now when Outlaw runs this b-stock sale for $999/shipped its not a bad deal and a big discount over a new one at their price. Still yet, it's not really as good of a deal as you might think when you compare it to similar competition. The HSU VTF-15H mk2, for example, is normally $1072/shipped and currently on sale for $1032. 16-80Hz the HSU has more max output in most instances and at some frequencies the advantage is pushing 5dB more. Actually, they are pretty much even at 16Hz, but above that the HSU has the advantage with a couple of exceptions. This taking into consideration both 1 port and 2 port modes.



One other thing to note on the Outlaw Ultra-X13 and the Monolith THX Ultra 15 is in how they are THX rated. The Monolith is THX certified in both extension and output modes. The Outlaw is only THX certified if you run it in 2 port mode (max output), while the Monolith is THX certified in both 3 ports open (max output) and 2 ports open(max extension).
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Outlaw Ultra 13X is now showing $1299.00

That's odd. I just added one to my cart and it still shows the $999 b-stock sale price.







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That's odd. I just added one to my cart and it still shows the $999 b-stock sale price.






Just seen you got the Monolith 10”. How do you think it compares to the 12” as far as output goes?

I’m assuming you’re enjoying it?

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Just seen you got the Monolith 10”. How do you think it compares to the 12” as far as output goes?

I’m assuming you’re enjoying it?
Are you thinking of getting the Monolith 12? I know you have the Monolith 10. The Monolith THX Select 10 is a very nice sub. I actually have it running in my 2.1 setup and these Monolith subs play so great with music. In a smaller sized room the Monolith 10 would be hard to beat for under $500. I got mine for $425 with an ebay discount code and for that price you are getting such an impressive sub compared to something lesser like the RSL Speedwoofer 10s, which is $399. As far as how the 10 compares to the 12, it's a pretty substantial difference. The 12 is quite a bit larger and plays with a lot more force and is a much better home theater sub in my 2700 ft^3 room. The 10 is a great $500 sub, but the 12 is just a brute with a lot of finesse, as well. I think it's pretty impressive that the $800 retail Monolith 12 is as close in output as it is to the Outlaw Ultra-X13, which retails for $1658/shipped. Most frequencies it's within about 3dB and in some the difference is much less.

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Are you thinking of getting the Monolith 12? I know you have the Monolith 10. The Monolith THX Select 10 is a very nice sub. I actually have it running in my 2.1 setup and these Monolith subs play so great with music. In a smaller sized room the Monolith 10 would be hard to beat for under $500. I got mine for $425 with an ebay discount code and for that price you are getting such an impressive sub compared to something lesser like the RSL Speedwoofer 10s, which is $399. As far as how the 10 compares to the 12, it's a pretty substantial difference. The 12 is quite a bit larger and plays with a lot more force and is a much better home theater sub in my 2700 ft^3 room. The 10 is a great $500 sub, but the 12 is just a brute with a lot of finesse, as well. I think it's pretty impressive that the $800 retail Monolith 12 is as close in output as it is to the Outlaw Ultra-X13, which retails for $1658/shipped. Most frequencies it's within about 3dB and in some the difference is much less.
Oh you lucky dog you, $425 that’s one hell of a deal. unfortunately I missed the last discount code

Yes I have been contemplating getting a 12”. I’ve been going back and forth over getting a matching 10” but, then the idea of the extra output creeps into the back of my head. But, I agree even for $500 or less there’s nothing in the same category as the Monolith. I can’t believe Monoprice made such a fantastic product for a fair price. I had actually looked at the Ultra X12 while it was on sale but after looking at some FR graphs I didn’t see the extra $200 compared to the 10”.
Realistically another 10” would be easier to integrate into my system now but, for another $300 I’m curious firsthand how the 12” does. I’m sure having multiple tuning options it’d be fairly easy to mix it with my 10”.

Do you plan on getting a 2nd 10”? I know you love your duals

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Pulled the trigger on the monolith 15 thx. The buy once cry once part of me finally won out.
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Oh you lucky dog you, $425 that’s one hell of a deal. unfortunately I missed the last discount code

Yes I have been contemplating getting a 12”. I’ve been going back and forth over getting a matching 10” but, then the idea of the extra output creeps into the back of my head. But, I agree even for $500 or less there’s nothing in the same category as the Monolith. I can’t believe Monoprice made such a fantastic product for a fair price. I had actually looked at the Ultra X12 while it was on sale but after looking at some FR graphs I didn’t see the extra $200 compared to the 10”.
Realistically another 10” would be easier to integrate into my system now but, for another $300 I’m curious firsthand how the 12” does. I’m sure having multiple tuning options it’d be fairly easy to mix it with my 10”.

Do you plan on getting a 2nd 10”? I know you love your duals

I currently have no plans for a second Monolith 10, but my setups tend to be rather fluid. If you follow the usual recommendation of running the lesser sub closer to the listening position, I think you can blend the 10 and 12 Monoliths well.


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Pulled the trigger on the monolith 15 thx. The buy once cry once part of me finally won out.
Congrats on skipping the foreplay and getting right down to business. When you get the Monolith 15 unleashed and set up you may be crying again, but tears of joy. Keep us posted.

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Are you thinking of getting the Monolith 12? I know you have the Monolith 10. The Monolith THX Select 10 is a very nice sub. I actually have it running in my 2.1 setup and these Monolith subs play so great with music. In a smaller sized room the Monolith 10 would be hard to beat for under $500. I got mine for $425 with an ebay discount code and for that price you are getting such an impressive sub compared to something lesser like the RSL Speedwoofer 10s, which is $399. As far as how the 10 compares to the 12, it's a pretty substantial difference. The 12 is quite a bit larger and plays with a lot more force and is a much better home theater sub in my 2700 ft^3 room. The 10 is a great $500 sub, but the 12 is just a brute with a lot of finesse, as well. I think it's pretty impressive that the $800 retail Monolith 12 is as close in output as it is to the Outlaw Ultra-X13, which retails for $1658/shipped. Most frequencies it's within about 3dB and in some the difference is much less.
According to Audiholics reviews, there's little to choose from between the Mon 12, SVS PC2000 and HSU VFT2-Mk5. In fact the HSU has the most output from 40hz and up.

The Mono does have the lowest distortion levels. All 3 subs have pretty low distortion so it might not make a difference. So the real bargain here is the HSU. Also an outlet PB/PC2000 would be a great choice as well given SVS' superior CS.

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According to Audiholics reviews, there's little to choose from between the Mon 12, SVS PC2000 and HSU VFT2-Mk5. In fact the HSU has the most output from 40hz and up.

The Mono does have the lowest distortion levels. All 3 subs have pretty low distortion so it might not make a difference. So the real bargain here is the HSU. Also an outlet PB/PC2000 would be a great choice as well given SVS' superior CS.

I can't speak directly on the VTF-2, but on paper (using the audioholics reviews) it does offer more output capability 50Hz and up compared to the Monolith 12, where output is MUCH easier to come by. Thing with the VTF-2 mk5 is the difference in output in 1 and 2 port modes down below 20Hz is huge. Over 10db difference at 16Hz between the two modes. You basically have to run the VTF-2 in 1 port mode to get usable output below 20Hz. Running the VTF-2 in 1 port is going to greatly increase the possibility of chuffing, particularly if you are having to run it close to its max output capability. If that be the case, then you should be stepping up to one of the more capable 15" ported subs. The Monolith THX Ultra 12 has a more capable driver, more amp power and a larger cabinet than the VTF-2, which allows it to play deeper and with less stress in doing so. The difference at 16Hz between 1 and 2 port modes with the Monolith is less than 1dB. The Monolith 12 actually has .1dB more output (virtually the same) at 16Hz in 2 port mode than the Hsu VTF-2 has in 1 port mode. The Monolith 12, much like the 15, seems rather unfazed when you drive it hard. It's just a beast.


As far as the PC/PB-2000, I can comment on those subs compared to the Monolith 12, as I have owned both of those SVS subs. In my 2700 ft^3 room the difference between the pb-2000 and the pb12-nsd was minimal. As soon as I fired up the Monolith 12 I could instantly tell that this sub was more different sounding that any other ported sub I've previously owned/auditioned. It play so clean and with such force, all while playing completely composed with extremely low distortion levels. It's almost like having a sealed sub ( in 1 or 2 port modes), but with the typical added output around the port tune. Again, the Monolith 12 is just a beast, but plays with such finesse and no port nose, as well. I've owned several SVS subs and have always been a fan of theirs, but these Monolith subs have impressed me far more than any others I've had. Performance wise, Monolith all the way. Customer service, SVS obviously is one of the best and far surpasses Monoprice CS.

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I can't speak directly on the VTF-2, but on paper (using the audioholics reviews) it does offer more output capability 50Hz and up compared to the Monolith 12, where output is MUCH easier to come by. Thing with the VTF-2 mk5 is the difference in output in 1 and 2 port modes down below 20Hz is huge. Over 10db difference at 16Hz between the two modes. You basically have to run the VTF-2 in 1 port mode to get useable output below 20Hz. Running the VTF-2 in 1 port is going to greatly increase the possibility of chuffing, particulary if you are having to run it close to its max output capability. If that be the case, then you should be stepping up to one of the more capable 15" ported subs. The Monolith THX Ultra 12 has a more capable driver, more amp power and a larger cabinet than the VTF-2, which allows it to play deeper and with less stress in doing so. The difference at 16Hz between 1 and 2 port modes with the Monolith is less than 1dB. The Monolith 12 actually has .1dB more output (virtually the same) at 16Hz in 2 port mode than the Hsu VTF-2 has in 1 port mode. The Monolith 12, much like the 15, seems rather unfazed when you drive it hard. It's just a beast.


As far as the PC/PB-2000, I can comment on those subs compared to the Monolith 12, as I have owned both of those SVS subs. In my 2700 ft^3 room the difference between the pb-2000 and the pb12-nsd was minimal. As soon as I fired up the Monolith 12 I could instantly tell that this sub was more different sounding that any other ported sub I've previously owned/auditioned. It play so clean and with such force, all while playing completely composed with extremely low distortion levels. It's almost like having a sealed sub ( in 1 or 2 port modes), but with the typical added output around the port tune. Again, the Monolith 12 is just a beast, but plays with such finesse and no port nose, as well. I've owned several SVS subs and have always been a fan of theirs, but these Monolith subs have impressed me far more than any others I've had. Performance wise, Monolith all the way. Customer service, SVS obviously is one of the best and far surpasses Monoprice CS.
The PC/PB2000 are close enough in measured output as for it to not be noticeable without actually measuring. SQ is different and is mostly subjective. Though the PC/PB still have low distortion.

The Mono 12 is certainly a lot of sub for the money, but it's not a world beater or enough better for many to forgo the safety of buying from SVS, HSU or Rythmik at the same price point.

From the reviewer regarding a post in the forums
"The SVS 2000 subs are quite good. I think the Monolith 12 sub might have a slight output advantage, but given that SVS also strives for very low distortion, I would guess their sound character would be pretty much the same, since both have a very flat frequency response and extremely clean bass. I wouldn't fret much about going with PB-2000s vs Monolith 12" THX Ultras, at least as far as raw performance is concerned."

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The PC/PB2000 are close enough in measured output as for it to not be noticeable without actually measuring. SQ is different and is mostly subjective. Though the PC/PB still have low distortion.

The Mono 12 is certainly a lot of sub for the money, but it's not a world beater or enough better for many to forgo the safety of buying from SVS, HSU or Rythmik at the same price point.

From the reviewer regarding a post in the forums
"The SVS 2000 subs are quite good. I think the Monolith 12 sub might have a slight output advantage, but given that SVS also strives for very low distortion, I would guess their sound character would be pretty much the same, since both have a very flat frequency response and extremely clean bass. I wouldn't fret much about going with PB-2000s vs Monolith 12" THX Ultras, at least as far as raw performance is concerned."

Again, speaking from experience, the Monolith subs do sound different than other ported subs, to the better to my ears. You can read several reviews and comments on this where others have mentioned the same thing. I've owned the PB-2000 and PC-2000 and they were really good subs and I wouldn't blame anybody for choosing one over the Monolith 12, especially if customer service was the highest priority. But if you listen to both the Pb-2000 and Monolith 12 I think you will find they sound noticeably different and the Monolith will have more output below 20Hz. The Monolith 12 is the best overall 12" sub I've ever owned/auditioned. You would have to audition one to fully understand. I know most say that quality subs sound more alike than different, which is the case most of the time. The Monolith subs kind of go contrary to that.

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