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Media Room (With pics) | Monolith 12, Monolith 15, or R-115SW

Hey guys,

Looking for a sub for my media room area - I included a picture with the screen up.. working on some new trim

The sub will sit behind the wall unit area with a larger area behind there so I can fit just about anything within reason

The room with some of the kitchen being added is 25x25x10 (6250 cubic feet) but we obviously sit closer than this. Not a sealed room.

It will be between the Monolith 12, Monolith 15, and R-115SW from Klipsch

Thank you so much for your help!
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Looking for a sub for my media room area - I included a picture with the screen up.. working on some new trim



The sub will sit behind the wall unit area with a larger area behind there so I can fit just about anything within reason



The room with some of the kitchen being added is 25x25x10 (6250 cubic feet) but we obviously sit closer than this. Not a sealed room.



It will be between the Monolith 12, Monolith 15, and R-115SW from Klipsch



Thank you so much for your help!


If those are your only choices then M15 hands down. But it would be good to get an idea of yiue budget, listening preferences, music vs movies etc as there many subs that could work.


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If those are your only choices then M15 hands down. But it would be good to get an idea of yiue budget, listening preferences, music vs movies etc as there many subs that could work.


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Thanks! I would say $1250ish budget - 75% movies / 25% video games
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Thanks! I would say $1250ish budget - 75% movies / 25% video games


For that space you need multiple subs, duals minimum. Is that your budget for both subs or per sub?


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For that space you need multiple subs, duals minimum. Is that your budget for both subs or per sub?


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I would be up for doing dual subs I have plenty of room behind there. I would want to stay around 1500 total to keep things reasonable. Thank you again for your help

Could do dual R-115SW 15's for $1300 total or dual monolith 12's for $1600 or if you have others that would fit better that would be great.
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anything less than a strong 15inch + sub would be waste of money in that space.

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I would be up for doing dual subs I have plenty of room behind there. I would want to stay around 1500 total to keep things reasonable. Thank you again for your help



Could do dual R-115SW 15's for $1300 total or dual monolith 12's for $1600 or if you have others that would fit better that would be great.


I agree with Tori that you would need 15s at a minimum and ideally 18s. One route you could take is that get the biggest sub you can afford now and then add one later. If that is not an option then monolith 12 would be my choice. M15s are $1K more so quite over your budget. The M12s are good subs for the money.


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Not disagreeing at all on the larger setup. I have 1 10" sealed sub with a 250w amp in there now it is embarrassing when it tries to make it through anything in there.

What do you think would be the main differences to jump from two of the R-115SW's to two monolith 15's ?

Sounds like if it's a huge jump to order a single monolith 15 then just see how it goes before getting second
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Not disagreeing at all on the larger setup. I have 1 10" sealed sub with a 250w amp in there now it is embarrassing when it tries to make it through anything in there.

What do you think would be the main differences to jump from two of the R-115SW's to two monolith 15's ?

Sounds like if it's a huge jump to order a single monolith 15 then just see how it goes before getting second
General rule of thumb for larger rooms is get the largest you can afford/fit at the time, and keep the option open for more subs down the road. With your setup I would probably try a good sized sub nearfield - As close to the back of that couch at the MLP as possible.

What you may not know is that placing the sub(s) where you want them is rarely where they will provide their best output. Google "Subwoofer Crawl" to see the basics of how to determine the sub's best locations. And keep in mind that multiple subs will help even out the bass response to a wider area in your room (if placed where they have that ability).

ETA: If you are at all handy you might consider DIY. There's an entire subsection dedicated to us crazies: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/
The biggest bonus I see from DIY is you can build a sub to fit your space/needs, but it will require some learning (design, measuring, etc) to get the most out of it. There are some companies that offer flat packs so all you have to be able to do is glue up some MDF panels and wire it up.
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Not disagreeing at all on the larger setup. I have 1 10" sealed sub with a 250w amp in there now it is embarrassing when it tries to make it through anything in there.

What do you think would be the main differences to jump from two of the R-115SW's to two monolith 15's ?

Sounds like if it's a huge jump to order a single monolith 15 then just see how it goes before getting second
Yeah it’d be a huge step up to get dual monolith 15’s.

The Klipsch’s aren’t horrible by average sub measurements but, for the price of the monolith nothing else really compares. They’ll dig deep into the teens in Hz. They’re incredibly tight, accurate, punchy. You can run them sealed, max extension, max output.

You might as well go ahead and order the Monolith 15, you won’t regret it.

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The Monolith 15, easily.

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can you push up to 17-1800.00? if so dual HSU VTF3.5 would be a good option. If not then get the Mono15.
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The day Klipsch makes a better than average sub will be the first! Some really good speakers, but not really good subs. I agree, get a 15ich sub in your budget now and plan on a second one as soon as funds allow.

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My vote would be get 2 of R-115SW as long as you can get them on discount for around $550 per. I know Frys electronic store have them on sale quite often. If no discount can be found then you may want to go another route instead.

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The day Klipsch makes a better than average sub will be the first! Some really good speakers, but not really good subs. I agree, get a 15ich sub in your budget now and plan on a second one as soon as funds allow.
The R-115SW is not a bad sub at all, especially if you can get it at a good price:
https://hometheaterreview.com/klipsc...ofer-reviewed/

I love my Monolith 15's but if you can get dual Klipsch 115SW for around $1000-1200 I would likely do that since dual subwoofers offer some benefits a single sub can't.
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... since dual subwoofers offer some benefits a single sub can't.
Except--OP, correct me if I'm wrong--it sounds like the subwoofers in this room will be co-located? A lot of the benefit of duals (vs. a single sub that can match their combined output) comes from placing them in two separate locations...
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Except--OP, correct me if I'm wrong--it sounds like the subwoofers in this room will be co-located? A lot of the benefit of duals (vs. a single sub that can match their combined output) comes from placing them in two separate locations...
Then if that is the case then duals would not be preferred vs the biggest, baddest sub you can get
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The day Klipsch makes a better than average sub will be the first! Some really good speakers, but not really good subs. I agree, get a 15ich sub in your budget now and plan on a second one as soon as funds allow.
What did you dislike about the R-115 when you heard it?
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If for nothing else, I would avoid the Klipsch R-115 for the suspect amp quality/reliability. It's also not particularly strong 25Hz and below for a 15" sub, with 12" subs like the Monolith THX Ultra 12 and SVS PB-2000 offering more output capability 25Hz and below.
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What did you dislike about the R-115 when you heard it?
I have no specific experience with the R115. I have owned both the Klipsch Synergy and Klipsch RW12d subs and both were "sub" par! I have read enough reviews, however to know that the Klipsch R115 rarely get mentioned with comparable subs from HSU, SVS, Rythmiks, etc...

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I have no specific experience with the R115. I have owned both the Klipsch Synergy and Klipsch RW12d subs and both were "sub" par! I have read enough reviews, however to know that the Klipsch R115 rarely get mentioned with comparable subs from HSU, SVS, Rythmiks, etc...
Because for similar money I doubt anyone here would recommend a Klipsch R115 over an Hsu/Rythmik, etc. But if you can get them for around $500 or less they become a very compelling argument. Dual 115's for around $1K or less is a lot of bang for the buck. Yes you don't get the extension like you do with other companies but it's a lot of output and the benefit of dual subs over a single sub (or 4 vs 2) should not be quickly dimissed.

I like subs that extend down past 20hz for sure, but the vast majority of content doesn't and for most people the 35hz-80hz range is the sweet spot and these R115's are no slouch (again at a discount).
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