Originally Posted by 3ll3d00d
Master volume control in the app doesn't really make sense to me as the filters are gain adjustments for that channel not a MV control (I realise it is being used to denote this here but tbh I don't really think this is the job of the filtering, it is the job of the playback system)
Part of the reason I didn't ask for that feature is I didn't think you'd like it
I do get what you're saying, that the gain filter is just like any other filter, in that it is applied to a signal/channel. On the other hand, I don't expect many/any people to be adjusting gain on channels within the same mix independently of each other. And for those of us who are doing bass-managed BEQ, the gain filter is applying to the entire mono mix anyway. So really, it is perfect for my use as it is right now, other than the gain appears as a difference between the unfiltered/filtered graphs on the PvA and peak spectrum.
I feel very strongly that a MV adjustment should be accounted for at least when designing a BEQ. Looking at the extreme cases such as Black Panther and San Andreas, hardly anyone other then
is listening to those two mixes at the same volume level. If I don't adjust for this, then I have somewhat of an unknown target for the BEQ, and once the listener inevitably makes a MV adjustment, it would totally throw off the target of the BEQ that I aimed for. One could certainly argue that the ReplayGain adjustment from JRiver is less than perfect, but it is pretty damn good in my testing, much better than anything else that is so quick and easy to run, and certainly much, much better than nothing. I thank you immensely for bringing that to my attention.
This then brings us to the display/presentation of a BEQ and whether the MV adjustment should be included in this. I also feel strongly that it should, for very similar reasons. After all, I have designed the BEQ around this adjustment, and if we've tuned our systems to how we like it with a "normal" BEQ mix with ULF at certain levels, having the display be on more of a level playing field and more consistent with where we will end up adjusting our MV to, whether by ear or following the ReplayGain recommendations. Again, it's admittedly not perfect, but it gets us really close. Any personal preference adjustment from there will be relatively minor.
I think Black Panther is such a good example, because pretty much everyone and their mother, and even Granny Soundbar, will crank that mix up. So really, I don't see much value in displaying that mix as-is without a MV adjustment, compared to displaying it with a reasonable and recommended MV adjustment that the BEQ is optimized for, and what will end up being close to what most people will adjust that mix to. We know what a good peak spectrum looks like, and I feel like the BEQ of Black Panther deserves to look as good as it will be once some one dials up the BEQ and raises their MV, as they inevitably will. Without the MV adjustment, that mix still looks pretty anemic, but with BEQ and MV adjustment, that mix is downright solid!