Originally Posted by aron7awol
I did try that to a large extent, but certainly not all of the possible combinations, mostly because I thought I found a good one! I'm extremely frustrated right now, it's just kind of demoralizing doing all the work, injuring myself in the process, and then after all of it, it's not only not great, but it's terrible and a huge step down from what I had! BUT even though I've given up for today, I certainly haven't given up for good.
I appreciate the advice and sharing your experience. The strangest thing honestly is that the FR looks good, there's just something big missing from the impact and feel. I'm feeling like it's a testament to my ported monsters and just how incredible they are down to 10Hz. Even though sealed usually gets the nod for ULF, these ported subs are tuned so low that they actually wipe the floor with the sealed from 10-20Hz, and while sealed technically has the advantage in the single-digits, they still are really low in SPL down there, so it really comes down to room gain, or in my case, lack thereof. I tried bumping up the MAs to make up for the loss of tactile feel, but it's just not the same. It's looks like a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" where the output the sealed subs are able to contribute is just a drop in the bucket compared to what the ported were already giving, and in some cases apparently detrimental. Now I'm the shameful place of just trying to get my system back to how it was, and not even caring if I can get it even better, as it was 99% perfect already.
Man I hate to hear your so frustrated but very understandable, I would be too! Well I hate to say it, but sealed may not be for you, at least placed far field in a bigger room. I'm sure your low tuned ported monsters truly are beasts and will be impossible to beat for feel down low for impact and TR compared to the sealed being far away. Back when my system was in the downstairs setup, I preferred the ported when farfeild too, even with the sealed subs low end lifted up with and LS to get the FR up close to the ported. That's why I ran the one ported up front (about 12' away), then put the sealed subs right behind me as close as I could get them.
Now that said, the ported didn't give a fraction of the feel when positioned far field compared to the sealed subs right behind me with drivers pointing into me. But the two positioned like this did give a great combo. It may be what you have to do too, if you want to run sealed in your setup with the ported.
One cool thing about the sealed cabs is that they are small in comparison to the ported boxes that are tuned low. They fit behind a seat pretty easy. They bring the TR like MAs plus the impact (may somewhat depend on your seating and just how close you can get them though). As much as a ported behind right behind you, probably not quite, like we talked about before in this thread not too long ago, but still bring it pretty hard, and in a pretty small footprint.
IDK man, just thinking out loud here and thought I'd share one more thing about what I've found with the whole ported vs sealed thing for TR and Impact. TR from a ported sub is always gonna be hard to beat I think, but the small footprint of a sealed cab plus it being real close behind with a strong LS to lift up the bottom end, they can still be great in an open room and bring it pretty hardcore. That's mainly why I went with them, I need a smaller footprint that goes super low for VNF behind the seats and not take up a ton of space getting it done.
I hope me saying all this doesn't frustrate you even more, but just thought I should probably share that bit of info as well with what I've found by messing with both ported and sealed in my last two rooms (huge open room and now small sealed room). Pro's and Con's to both sealed subs and ported subs and just have to try to use each to their strengths if you can to get the most out of them.
I hope you can find a way/setting that you can use them upfront for you speaker stands and still bring you what you want out of them, but they just may not ever give you enough feel like your used to from your low tuned ported subs with the sealed being positioned that far away. Even if you find settings that are good for phase alignment between the two different designs. One thing I've found too is that room gain on these sealed subs for down low to bring the low end up, does NOT mean they'll give great TR just because your FR is up where it needs to be. I find room gain to be the enemy actually when it comes to TR, especially when close. I'll take LSing the sealed subs up for actual output to really get that/those drivers moving (again especially VNF) any day over room gain. Room gain great for FR and weight but not so great for TR IME.
Too bad you didn't save your last config/cal to a usb drive before trying to calibrate the new sealed subs in. That way you could just go back to the way you had it, for a while at least without having to try to get back what you had. When you get it back, you may do that so you can always go back to after messing with a new cal and subs if you don't like it.
One more thing you could try too, is just try a cal with the sealed subs by themselves upfront FF where you have them to see if you really don't like them compared to your ported FF. That way you know its not a phase thing going on with the ported.