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Thanks for the feedback!

Yes, the older ones were more conservative for a couple of reasons. One, before I was dong MV adjustments I couldn't push it as hard because if someone does a significant +MV adjustment and it's already up at that -15 to -20 band, it could end up dangerously high. Two, without having the peak spectrum as a guide, it was difficult to know when I was boosting noise rather than real content.
No probs, I watched ep4 the other week and that was a nice improvement overall also.

Now, I suppose the ultimate question is, if you had to update the Star Wars BEQ's would they be any different?
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Yes, normally I'd agree with you, but the 8Hz filter with the -10 reduction was the only way I could tame that huge peak at around 3Hz.. otherwise it's up to scary levels (see below).
Try a high pass filter
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I think any decent pc based software can filter down below 10Hz. I won't limit this in the app, users designing filters can choose their own limit instead.
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I think any decent pc based software can filter down below 10Hz. I won't limit this in the app, users designing filters can choose their own limit instead.
Noted I was just hung up in our «Minidsp-bubble" over here
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Try a high pass filter
Hey, @3ll3d00d

It seems the display of the High Pass Filter is jumbled in the graph as it adds another column on the right since the wording is more characters than the other fields.

I wonder if just the word "High" or "HPF" could fit in there and be sufficient?

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[CENTER]BassEQ The Quake (Skjelvet) (2018) Dolby Digital 5.1

I simply adjust my Main Volume (MV) as needed so I don't include them in the graph like Aron does. (Not technically adept at how he figures that out and makes it show up in the filter graph anyway.)
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[CENTER]BassEQ Trollhunter (2010) DTS 5.1

I manually adjust the MV so it's not listed in the chart, but I think it's set just about right as that Troll is rolling with bass!
Just want to mention a couple things...

I've refrained from doing BEQs with lossy transcodes unless I can verify and share the source, so that I'm basically guaranteeing safety of my BEQ as long as the user's source explicitly matches mine. For example, the web streams like Amazon DD+ and Netflix DD+ are easy enough for people to know they are matching my source. But for something that's on BD/UHD BD I've only ever used the lossless audio, because the only way I can vet a lossy transcode and guarantee it's the same as the disc is to use the lossless audio anyway. Obviously you don't have to follow what I do, but I just figured I'd share the reasoning behind my approach and caution anyone using BEQs of lossy transcodes to at least know that they are doing so and knowingly accepting the risks.

I'd also like to clarify that I adjust MV by ear as well, and recommend that everyone do so. The purpose of the MV adjustment in the BEQ is not actually at all intended to be a recommendation. It is intended to be a guaranteed consistent maximum level in the ULF. With so many of us pushing our systems at or near their limits in the ULF with these BEQs, it gives everyone a MV adjustment that will put the ULF at a consistent level that we can know our systems handle a certain way. If someone runs that BEQ above or below that MV adjustment, it's perfectly fine, but they can know that the ULF peaks will be that much above/below the level that they are accustomed to on the normal mixes. So it's really just a guess at a MV that those of us adjusting by ear will end up at. It's not a perfect guess, but it's a really good guess that usually ends up really close, and much better than no guess at all. The concern I always had with designing a BEQ solely on curve shape and then adjusting MV by ear is that the peaks of the ULF could end up way higher than normal and/or safe on a particular system. Considering that the MV adjustments are often +/- 5dB (or even more in some cases), that's a big window of uncertainty as far as final ULF peaks when ignoring MV level during the BEQ design. Again, of course you don't have to follow what I do, but I just wanted to explain the reasoning behind what I do. I guess I've always felt like I have to stand behind my published BEQs with a guaranteed consistency and safety because I'd feel terrible if I did something that contributed to damaging someone's system. So it really comes down to establishing that consistent baseline that people are certainly encouraged to deviate from, just making sure they are knowingly doing so.
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Yes, normally I'd agree with you, but the 8Hz filter with the -10 reduction was the only way I could tame that huge peak at around 3Hz.. otherwise it's up to scary levels (see below). Unless Aron has another sane way to tame it.
I use negative 10Hz LS filters for this purpose. Most people enter their BEQ filters on their MiniDSP input(s) and a HPF can't be entered there, and the negative LS works well.
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Now, I suppose the ultimate question is, if you had to update the Star Wars BEQ's would they be any different?
I'm sure they would be Between the MV adjustment and peak spectrum, I'm sure I could do a better job with those.
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I use negative 10Hz LS filters for this purpose. Most people enter their BEQ filters on their MiniDSP input(s) and a HPF can't be entered there, and the negative LS works well.
Hmmmmm.... This looks like a lot of filters just to achieve that. I don't really see yours being this voluminous.

I may just have to leave this BEQ crafting to you, Jedi Master Aron!

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This looks like a lot of filters just to achieve that. I don't really see yours being this voluminous.

I may just leave this BEQ crafting to you, Master Aron!
I usually use 10Hz Q0.9 filters for this, as they are a lot steeper than Q0.7. Hmm, that does seem like a lot of filters in general, especially with positive filters at 13Hz and negative filters at 10Hz.

On this one, I'd probably start with some really steep Q1.1 filters that hold the peak at ~25Hz and pick up as much as possible right beneath that. Then see where that leaves me and kind of attack it working my way down in frequency. If I end up in a position where I'm not really happy with how much I was able to boost the ULF and wanting to use filters below 10Hz, then I take another look at the higher filters to see what adjustments I can make to affect where I ended up.
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I usually use 10Hz Q0.9 filters for this, as they are a lot steeper than Q0.7. Hmm, that does seem like a lot of filters in general, especially with positive filters at 13Hz and negative filters at 10Hz.

On this one, I'd probably start with some really steep Q1.1 filters that hold the peak at ~25Hz and pick up as much as possible right beneath that. Then see where that leaves me and kind of attack it working my way down in frequency. If I end up in a position where I'm not really happy with how much I was able to boost the ULF and wanting to use filters below 10Hz, then I take another look at the higher filters to see what adjustments I can make to affect where I ended up.
I went back and placed Spoiler tags on all of mine so people on the forum won't get them confused with the official BEQs from you.

Here's my last college try... 1 less filter, but I really don't know how to make it look any better.

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However, I will attempt to revisit The Quake and Trollhunter once I get the blu-ray versions to keep in alignment with your BEQ posts on this forum.
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I wonder if just the word "High" or "HPF" could fit in there and be sufficient?
thanks and yes I agree, added https://github.com/3ll3d00d/beqdesigner/issues/214
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For the Bass Management section of BEQ (circled in green below), is there a way to change the LPF so the summed SW signal will represent my particular LPF in my AVR?
the filter type is not currently user editable, it's hardcoded as an LR4. I could make this editable but I think it's important tbh as changing that is highly unlikely to make a material difference to the waveform peaks and that's all we're really interested in at this point. If there is some particular thing you're trying to do for which editing this is critical then feel free to log that on github and I may get to it at some point.

The frequency is editable via the preferences dialog though, look for the BM LPF field.

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For the frequency domain graph circled in yellow, any idea what the red signal is? It looks to be a smoothed response of the green filtered signal above it....maybe 1/3 octave smoothing?
it's the PvA view so red is the A(verage)
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Hi @aron7awol , another BEQ request for you sir: Netflix series The Umbrella Academy.
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Thanks for requesting this one! I hadn't heard of it yet and it looks really good! I'm working on it now, should be able to get it finished tonight.
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A few requests.

Can you do the other Rambo flicks.

Minions. ( done ) thank you.

Spider-Man ( Sam Raimu version )

Spider-Man 2 (Raimu )

Night at the Museum 2

Bram Stokers Dracula.

Total Recall ( Schwarzenegger )

The Golden Compass

Megamind

The Resident Evil flicks

Just a few, I will save the other 250 for another day.

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A few requests.

Can you do the other Rambo flicks.

Minions.

Independence Day.

Spider-Man ( Sam Raimu version )

Spider-Man 2 (Raimu )

Smallfoot.

Night at the Museum 2

Bram Stokers Dracula.

Total Recall ( Schwarzenegger )

The Golden Compass

Megamind

The Resident Evil flicks

Just a few, I will save the other 250 for another day.
I'm seeing more than a few of those on the first page in the first post. For example, Independence Day and Smallfoot are already done, so make sure you take another gander and edit your post for those that really aren't done, yet.
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the filter type is not currently user editable, it's hardcoded as an LR4. I could make this editable but I think it's important tbh as changing that is highly unlikely to make a material difference to the waveform peaks and that's all we're really interested in at this point. If there is some particular thing you're trying to do for which editing this is critical then feel free to log that on github and I may get to it at some point.

The frequency is editable via the preferences dialog though, look for the BM LPF field.


it's the PvA view so red is the A(verage)
3ll3d00d.....Thanks. Good to know about the editable frequency in the preferences....will check it out.

I think my AVR also uses a 24dB/octave filter type so that's good to know also but as you said, it's probably not going to make a big difference for the purpose of looking at waveform peaks.

Didn't realize that was PvA....makes sense now and follows the usual color nomenclature as the other PvA graphs.

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I did a little test tonight. I managed to install(not without problems) BEQd on my old laptop(couldn’t get it installed on my Mac), open a BEQ file, export the biquad file onto a thumbdrive, open on the Mac and import the BEQ to my 10x10HD. And it worked ! YEIIIIH.

I did not have to change to 6 biquads in BEQd, if the file had more than that, it simply ignored them when i imported the file. So if the BEQ has 6 or less biquads, it works just perfect.

And if those big BEQ has a overshoot filter and a PEQ as nr1 and2, then the LS above nr6 is ignored.

But still, this should be easier than typing the filters manually

I think if i divided the txt file, i could import the above 6 biquads to the output side.
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Pretty Sure all the Minions (Despicable Me) series is DTS:X in 4K/UHD format (not ATMOS)




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Pretty Sure all the Minions (Despicable Me) series is DTS:X in 4K/UHD format (not ATMOS)

I don't know about the Despicable Me series, but Minions is definitely Atmos.

Edit: I'll do the Despicable Me DTS:X mixes really soon too.
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^^ Nope, Minions is Atmos

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Minio...lu-ray/182835/

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Yup, my bad

That's odd, I think Despicable Me was actually the First DTS:X title released on 4K UHD with Dolby Vision
....and then 2 and 3 followed shortly after. I wonder why they made the change for Minions?

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BassEQ Despicable Me (2010) DTS:X


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Yup, my bad

That's odd, I think Despicable Me was actually the First DTS:X title released on 4K UHD with Dolby Vision
....and then 2 and 3 followed shortly after. I wonder why they made the change for Minions?
I think it's because Minions was mixed in Atmos from the beginning, while the first two DMs were re-mixed for the UHD releases.
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