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@biga6761 , I will read that thread. Thanks for the pointer. I am not going to lie but looking at the beq graphs here making me want to revisit all of those movies, seriously 😳. Well done guys 👍. There won’t be a bad bass movie from this point
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I dunno. I think a little roll off feels more natural. I think the transformers movies are about the best bass sound I’ve ever heard from anything. Specifically transformers 2. I think any boost on that makes it worse. Of course my subs are infinite baffle and go to 5hz flat. Perhaps other subs that go to those levels with some roll off might benefit from this but that feels more like the job of room correction to me. I’m fully on board with this for movies like avengers infinity wars and Star Wars that were just butchered. But once you start “correcting” ready player 1 and transformers I feel it becomes hard to take this seriously.
Well it'll come down to personal preference for sure on some of these and whether or not your system is capable of full bandwidth into the low teens and or single digits, which sounds like yours is. If you like the way TIH, Hellboy II and BvsS feel and sound, then most of these should be similar now. Like tvoung said above, at this point with the BEQs as fast as these guys are kicking them out, there really shouldn't be a bad bass mix at this point if you want it.

Most all of these graphs are looking damn impressive down low and look like a combo of the 3 films I listed above. Yes, some are already look really good as is and now fantastic. I know its already been said, but awesome job guys!!!
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Steps to do a BEQ graph:

This is all you have to do:
1.) Rip movie to your PC using makemkv (https://www.makemkv.com/)
2.) In the beq designer (https://github.com/3ll3d00d/beqdesigner), select Extract Audio from the tools menu and select the mkv file.
3.) Click the extract button
4.) Click Add under signals and select the file that step 2 created
5.) Click preview and then ok
6.) Start adding filters until you are happy with the result. Most filters will be low shelf filters with a Q around 0.7-1.0.

I decided not to do pictures. I worry the UI of the app may change and then the instructions would need to be updated or they would be out of date. I'm not really sure pictures are needed, the steps are very simple.
Awesome! I’ll post some graphs tomorrow. Thanks fellows.

Also thanks @aron7awol for completing so many of my request a day later. I cannot wait to go back & watch these again!

I don’t think you guys can be commended enough for keeping the list updated and making the graphs for the list. I know it has to be time consuming but just know that it is very much appreciated. You guys are doing a stand up job.

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If one is worried about just a little bit of overshoot on some of these, then it can probably be corrected pretty easily with one more filter in addition to the LS’s. Instead of an another LS, a PEAK could be used with a little wider Q with a 1 to 1.5db boost (or however much it needs) in the middle of however far it spans. Just a thought. That or maybe bump to your sub trims up 1 more db to make up for it, which will increase your MB and ULF a little if the overshoot is dropping the area just a bit if I’m looking at it correctly. Like Aron said though, it’s probably not going to matter much and the ULF extension down low will more than make up for the slight loss in the area affected most likely.

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Awesome! I’ll post some graphs tomorrow. Thanks fellows.

Also thanks @aron7awol for completing so many of my request a day later. I cannot wait to go back & watch these again!

I don’t think you guys can be commended enough for keeping the list updated and making the graphs for the list. I know it has to be time consuming but just know that it is very much appreciated. You guys are doing a stand up job.

Speaking of which, might it be worth the person posting the BEQ graph/details adding the title line in the same format as Pio does at the top of their post, so he can just copy/paste it? Or is that overkill?
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BEQ Saving Private Ryan (1998) Atmos

LS 25Hz Q1.1 4.5dB x 5 (22.5dB total)
LS 70Hz Q0.7 3dB (overshoot compensation)




This one was a bit of a challenge because it required a super steep slope that resulted in 2dB+ overshoot, but I was able to find a LS to compensate perfectly.

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^^^ Damn that looks awesome!!! I lost my mkv copy of SPR so will have to get it again and try it out.

EDIT: Man, some of these BEQ beautifully!!! Also nice overshoot compensation with the LS @70hz. I was thinking a PEAK might work good like I was trying to explain above in one of my posts, but looks like this completely nailed it. Nice!!

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BEQ Saving Private Ryan (1998) Atmos

LS 25Hz Q1.1 4.5dB x 5 (22.5dB total)
LS 70Hz Q0.7 3dB (overshoot compensation)




This one was a bit of a challenge because it required a super steep slope that resulted 2dB+ overshoot, but I was able to find a LS to compensate perfectly.

Have you tried it out? How does it sound?
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Have you tried it out? How does it sound?
Try it? I don't have any time to actually watch any of these. Making BEQs is my full-time job!

I'll test out the beach scene some time this week and report back.

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I don’t see Pacific Rim (the 1rst one) on the list, only PR2. I thought you had done that one. Maybe it was Biga with JRiver a while back over in the main movies bass thread.

EDIT: wow that list is growing sooo fast!!

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BassEQ Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) Atmos




The small negative 10Hz is necessary to keep the peak signal in check, but there's still a good amount unlocked here.

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@PioManiac some release dates for you:


Hunt for Red October/Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit/Sum of All Fears: Aug 21, 2018
Central Intelligence: Sep 27, 2016


As for GI Joe, looks like the BD and 4K have the same audio tracks, so might as well use the BD release date:
Rise of the cobra: Oct 19, 2010

Retaliation: Jul 30, 2013


Also you labelled Lucy as Lucy Hunter
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Hey pio, i see you input your filters on the output of minidsp. That works fine... but if you want to have a filter on all your outputs then it's easier to add the beq to the input. The outputs are useful if you want to add a filter to only some of the outputs. Just make sure you don't switch ways and leave filters active on your output and then double dip by adding one to the input if you switch
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BassEQ Pacific Rim (2013) Atmos




The -6dB gain is a MV decrease.

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BEQ The Accountant (2017) DTS-HD MA 7.1

LS 18Hz Q1.1 4dB x 4 (16dB total)



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Where possible, it would help me if you note your disc source...BD or 4K/UHD. Audio track you selected, and the disc release date (not the theatre release)

I've been using the search at blu-ray.com, but some have many choices and I end up just guessing.

The other alternative is to eliminate that info altogether.
But that may cause issues for those loading your BEQ settings for a totally different release.

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Hey pio, i see you input your filters on the output of minidsp. That works fine... but if you want to have a filter on all your outputs then it's easier to add the beq to the input. The outputs are useful if you want to add a filter to only some of the outputs. Just make sure you don't switch ways and leave filters active on your output and then double dip by adding one to the input if you switch
I prefer not to boost ULF frequencies that are going to my rear near field MBM subs. ULF only needs to be fed to the single digit capable Funks up front.
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Thanks. I have been using LS filter in jriver dsp. ‘Added S to the app’ huh, what is that? Perhaps it will be clear after reading your link?
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Pa...ualizer#Q_or_S

You will need you enter the filters into my app and use the S value it calculates for you when entering it into jriver
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BEQ The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring EE (2001) DTS-ES 6.1

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Gave these a go to test BEQ Designer with DTS-ES 6.1.
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BEQ The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers EE (2002) DTS-ES 6.1

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BEQ The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King EE (2003) DTS-ES 6.1

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Anyone know what scenes cause the peaks around 40hz?
no but the analyser does, I could get it to dump out time periods for peak frequencies
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Steps to do a BEQ graph:

This is all you have to do:
1.) Rip movie to your PC using makemkv (https://www.makemkv.com/)
2.) In the beq designer (https://github.com/3ll3d00d/beqdesigner), select Extract Audio from the tools menu and select the mkv file.
3.) Click the extract button
4.) Click Add under signals and select the file that step 2 created
5.) Click preview and then ok
6.) Start adding filters until you are happy with the result. Most filters will be low shelf filters with a Q around 0.7-1.0.

I decided not to do pictures. I worry the UI of the app may change and then the instructions would need to be updated or they would be out of date. I'm not really sure pictures are needed, the steps are very simple.
note the instructions I wrote earlier in https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56690092

i.e. you need to have ffmpeg installed and set in the paths in preferences
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note the instructions I wrote earlier in https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56690092

i.e. you need to have ffmpeg installed and set in the paths in preferences
Thanks, I forgot about that step. I have updated my steps.
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Hey @aron7awol

Since you are the main guy that creates and uses these BEQs, I was wondering if you could provide some info about your bass settings which might explain how you like the low end.

For example:
Do you have a house curve? How Strong?
How hot do you run your subs?
Do you have Dynamic EQ enabled?
What's your typical MV level?

I think the house curve especially can play a big factor because if someone is running a large house curve at the low end (probably because many movies roll off like this), they may not want as much as a bump from these BEQs... or maybe they should tone down their house curve.

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So far I've ran with Aron's BEQ settings for Atomic Blonde, Oblivion and Valerian.

No issues at all with my normal listening levels (around -18MV on my Yamaha)
No Dynamic EQ, 4 subs are measured in pairs and set to about 10dB hotter than my speakers with an SPL meter.
...but because there are 2 pair, that adds another +6dB (I think?)

When I pushed Oblivion to -14MV for "Coming in Hot!"
and the Cable Snap scene (LFE/ULF Sweep) at the library
... I had no problem (other than I peed a little )

My Funk 18.0's read at least +10dB higher at 14Hz than at 20-30Hz (before BEQ)


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