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Will the updated BEQ of wonder woman work the same for the blu ray version since it’s Atmos as well?
Yes, atmos is atmos. The updated version just brings out more bass.
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Oh nice!!!!! Throughout the entire film. It isn't on Netflix Australia yet. I am waiting for a blu ray though - and hoping for 3D too.



BTW, sorry to bother you but have you had a look at the Alien 4.1 DTSHD? I've heard numerous reports on blu-ray.com on the quality of the 4.1 being 'better'. I'm still waiting on my UHD

I’m giving Alien 4K a spin in the morning so I’ll see if there’s much of a difference to my ears; after seeing this mentioned a few times, I wonder what disparities the original 4.1 track and the updated 5.1 track that was carried over to the UHD release may have. I still feel the standard Blu-ray held up very well.

Watched End Game tonight, the lack of bass made me miss my theater with thoughts of BEQ, but I enjoyed the movie quite a lot. And I can’t believe they killed off...just kidding.
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I’m giving Alien 4K a spin in the morning so I’ll see if there’s much of a difference to my ears; after seeing this mentioned a few times, I wonder what disparities the original 4.1 track and the updated 5.1 track that was carried over to the UHD release may have. I still feel the standard Blu-ray held up very well.

Watched End Game tonight, the lack of bass made me miss my theater with thoughts of BEQ, but I enjoyed the movie quite a lot. And I can’t believe they killed off...just kidding.
Thanks! I've heard better separation and dynamic range - plus am interested if that odd ambient 16hz is in it. Given it is now available lossless, unlike the blu ray too now!

Oh yeah, the disney movies are just embarassing. Try watching a DCU movie followed by a modern Marvel one. You feel like someone stuffed cotton wool in your ears
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I skimmed it a few days ago. In my defense the answer is a single line of text in the 3rd post camouflaged in a huge amount of information between the first four posts and I overlooked it.
FWIW I am glad you asked.
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What 4K player do people recommend to rip these? Any reccos or links are appreciated.

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Thanks! I've heard better separation and dynamic range - plus am interested if that odd ambient 16hz is in it. Given it is now available lossless, unlike the blu ray too now!

It is subtle to my ears, but doing several A/B comparisons with Alien at -3mv, the 4.1 track does indeed have better effects separation and dynamics for each layer making it easier to pinpoint/make out individual sounds, especially across the front stage. However it’s mixed, the 5.1 track seems to blend the dialogue and effects all together a little bit more, which does decrease separation a tiny bit. Of course this is with our receivers also upmixing the track to DTS: Neural X (if that’s your preference), but whatever the mixing discrepancy, it seems to increase clarity just a touch for me in the 4.1 track. Honestly, either track still sounds great at high volumes.

I miss scores like this! Not using BEQ since there’s little bass to be had anyway, and only the 5.1 track was tested.

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My Infinite Baffle subwoofers (with their crystal-clear reference level bass that goes below 10Hz) are *screaming* at me to go down this rabbit hole.

My logical brain says this is WAY to much extra work and I'd hardly ever use it.
Please tell me "IMAX-Enabled" will make all this extra work unneeded.
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Is this one Netflix or something that we know the source of for the DD+? I'm wondering if it's safe for me to add.
Yes, it is Netflix.
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My Infinite Baffle subwoofers (with their crystal-clear reference level bass that goes below 10Hz) are *screaming* at me to go down this rabbit hole.

My logical brain says this is WAY to much extra work and I'd hardly ever use it.
Please tell me "IMAX-Enabled" will make all this extra work unneeded.
Honestly, you're crazy if you don't. We've done all the work for you. It takes 30 seconds to make a 2 hour movie so much more enjoyable. It's a no-brainer.

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I watched Django Unchained this afternoon, I started the movie, loaded up the BEQ file sat there watching for about 15 mins (just after the shotgun) and thought Hmm, just sounds normal to me Quick check on the plugin, and I'd forgotten to click connect After that it was all rather impressive, the gunshots during the gunfight near the end were really good, the difference is quite amazing..

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My Infinite Baffle subwoofers (with their crystal-clear reference level bass that goes below 10Hz) are *screaming* at me to go down this rabbit hole.

My logical brain says this is WAY to much extra work and I'd hardly ever use it.
Please tell me "IMAX-Enabled" will make all this extra work unneeded.

It's very little work actually, as Aron pointed out, the hard part is already done for you.
...and once you have your eyes (and ears) opened to the true potential, you won't want to watch a movie again without BEQ.

Let me dumb it down to caveman level (I figured it out, so surely anyone can)


Buy one of These: https://www.minidsp.com/products/min...minidsp-2x4-hd



Put it Here:
(software download available on miniDSP website)



Download the README instructions and 700+ BEQ movie list through the GitHub Repo Here: https://github.com/bmiller/miniDSPBEQ

Click the File Load in the top left corner of the miniDSP HD-1 software, pick any movie off the list of 700+ titles, Hit Connect
The XML files will load the appropriate Low Shelf and Peak filters to the miniDSP input channels in a few seconds.





Watch your movie with Full Bandwidth ULF/LFE. Yes, it's really just that simple.



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Everything Else on the first page is completely optional.

-measuring your room with REW and a UMIK-1 mic

-adding a wireless bridge (Wi-DG) eliminates the USB cable from your miniDSP to your Laptop https://www.minidsp.com/products/accessories/wi-dg

-adding a House Curve to your miniDSP output channels in XML format and merging it with the movie BEQ repo list with the BEQ'Designer App

-creating your own graphs or remux the audio instead of buying a miniSDP (for computer geeks only) using the BEQ'D App

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^^^^ Pio. Just wanted to say thank you again for the detailed info you provide for the Noobs.
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My Infinite Baffle subwoofers (with their crystal-clear reference level bass that goes below 10Hz) are *screaming* at me to go down this rabbit hole.

My logical brain says this is WAY to much extra work and I'd hardly ever use it.
Please tell me "IMAX-Enabled" will make all this extra work unneeded.
Just want to let you know I have 10HZ capable subs and <10Hz capable Crowsons MA without BEQ they would just paper weights in my theater room. Even my wife who is non-audio tech person is able to load the fiters(With the new improved app) it's no brainier.

All BEQ does is to modify the SOURCE(Blueray,Netflix stream, etc) sound track so that you can enjoy a full bandwidth movies. In layman terms you can have 1,000 sub-woofers in your theater but if they are fed movie with filtered tracks they will just and wait and wait and wait and you will NOT get the intended effect. Just wanted to share my experience.
You can get IMAX-Enabled whatever enabled tracks, but you need know if they are filtered tracks then it's of no use.
Please don't take it the wrong way. I want to help you in whatever way I can to change your mind.
Try the BEQ demo movies and see what you feel about it.

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Honestly, you're crazy if you don't. We've done all the work for you. It takes 30 seconds to make a 2 hour movie so much more enjoyable. It's a no-brainer.
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It's very little work actually, as Aron pointed out, the hard part is already done for you.
...and once you have your eyes (and ears) opened to the true potential, you won't want to watch a movie again without BEQ.

Fine. You have convinced me. A Mini-DSP HD is on the way. I'm getting a new Onkyo TX-RZ830 in today and I'll need to get that all installed and calibrated first. It doesn't have seperate calibration for each sub like my old Denon, so that may take some tweaking... maybe the Mini-DSP can help with that also? I'll be back when that's set up.




Wow, the amount of work everyone has done to make this easy is just amazing. Thank you everyone!


Anyway, now I'm going to post a picture of one of my super-impressive looking subwoofers:



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Can you post more pictures please. Are they in floor subs and if you don't mind what subs are they

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Just want to let you know I have 10HZ capable subs and <10Hz capable Crowsons MA without BEQ they would just paper weights in my theater room. Even my wife who is non-audio tech person is able to load the fiters(With the new improved app) it's no brainier.

All BEQ does is to modify the SOURCE(Blueray,Netflix stream, etc) sound track so that you can enjoy a full bandwidth movies. In layman terms you can have 1,000 sub-woofers in your theater but if they are fed movie with filtered tracks they will just and wait and wait and wait and you will NOT get the intended effect. Just wanted to share my experience.
You can get IMAX-Enabled whatever enabled tracks, but you need know if they are filtered tracks then it's of no use.
Please don't take it the wrong way. I want to help you in whatever way I can to change your mind.
Try the BEQ demo movies and see what you feel about it.

I agree. I run an IB system etc etc etc. I was getting sick of having friends over expecting big things from my system only to be very underwhelmed. Now, with BEQ its smiles all round
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Can you post more pictures please. Are they in floor subs and if you don't mind what subs are they
Mine are in the ceiling. IB's man
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That's up to @DesertDog , as he maintains the repo. I would hope that it wouldn't get overwritten, and I don't think it will. My guess is he'll put Atmos and DTS-HD versions as separate files.
For those of us using the merge function in BEQD:

When I merge my config file with the BEQ repo files (Ctrl-X), which one does it choose (Atmos vs. DTS-HD)? Is there a way for me to choose??
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For those of us using the merge function in BEQD:

When I merge my config file with the BEQ repo files (Ctrl-X), which one does it choose (Atmos vs. DTS-HD)? Is there a way for me to choose??
It will merge your house curve XML with every title in the repo, all 700+ titles (only a handful have both ATMOS and DTS-HD BEQ's so far)
You still get to pick which one you want to load from the list when you choose the File>Load button in the miniDSP software.

If there is more than one format available for a title in the repo, they both show up on the list (Atmos is likely the first one, Alphabetical order)
Just let your mouse arrow hover over the selection and it will indicate Atmos or DTS if the full title isn't visible in your window.

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At a guess, Fi Audio Q18s?
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Anyway, now I'm going to post a picture of one of my super-impressive looking subwoofers:

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Finishing up Bad Boys in Atmos, and even with BEQ, it’s still pretty lacking by our standards with only -30 peak levels; but I’m guessing it’s still an improvement over the original track. BB 2 looks to have a lot stronger bass and deeper extension, will save it for tomorrow.
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My Infinite Baffle subwoofers (with their crystal-clear reference level bass that goes below 10Hz) are *screaming* at me to go down this rabbit hole.

My logical brain says this is WAY to much extra work and I'd hardly ever use it.
Please tell me "IMAX-Enabled" will make all this extra work unneeded.
I wouldn't bank on imax-enabled. From what I've read it has it's own filtering guidelines and quirks. Plus that will only cover those titles and not the existing catalogs or stuff in other formats. It's also stuck with the 11 channel DTS limitation right now. Hopefully DTS will get that expanded soon.

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Fine. You have convinced me. A Mini-DSP HD is on the way. I'm getting a new Onkyo TX-RZ830 in today and I'll need to get that all installed and calibrated first. It doesn't have seperate calibration for each sub like my old Denon, so that may take some tweaking... maybe the Mini-DSP can help with that also? I'll be back when that's set up.
Do the calibration with the miniDSP inline. It adds some delay to your chain that you'll want to account.

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It doesn't have seperate calibration for each sub like my old Denon, so that may take some tweaking... maybe the Mini-DSP can help with that also?

You may be aware of this, but just for clarity, your Denon would ping each sub separately to set distance and level, and then ping both subs together and EQ them as one. A lot of people think SubEQ EQs each sub separately.

Yes, the Mini will give you exponentially more control over your subs and let you EQ them separately, together, however you want. Separate delays, levels, etc. It really is a useful device.
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Ditto!

If you're using all 4 Outputs on the miniDSP,
Just be sure to change the x-over on Output 2 and Output 4 (by default they are set as Low Pass BYPASSED) for speakers.
Output 1 and Output 3 are the only ones setup for Subwoofer output by default.

You need to change 2 and 4 to High Pass Bypassed manually, just once for initial setup.

Follow the setup guide here and you should be okay: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56610168
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WOW crazy that's a lot of power. He will for sure enjoy it more with BEQ. Thanks Pio for posting this.

In BEQ thread you learn new things everyday. On other bass thread there was a guy who had subs mounted on Ceiling.

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Can you post more pictures please. Are they in floor subs and if you don't mind what subs are they
Yeah, in-floor manifolds. Infinite Baffles are dirt-simple, man. Get as many of the biggest damn woofers you can and point them into the room. Done. No calculations needed. I also believe they produce by far the best bass, but that's a point of contention with the He-Men who like lifting 500lb sealed boxes powered by 5000watt amps. So let's not go there, those guys are strong!

This is what they look like from the basement below the room:

All joking about big subwoofers aside, the manifolds were *not* lightweight and needed to be winched into place with a come-a-long.

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I'm glad to see there are still people using them. No replacement for displacement.


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At a guess, Fi Audio Q18s?
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You may be aware of this, but just for clarity, your Denon would ping each sub separately to set distance and level, and then ping both subs together and EQ them as one. A lot of people think SubEQ EQs each sub separately.

Yes, the Mini will give you exponentially more control over your subs and let you EQ them separately, together, however you want. Separate delays, levels, etc. It really is a useful device.

I am going down the rabbit hole right now. I just found out about the "Multi-Sub Optimizer" and what it can do with a Mini-DSP and I'm amazed that people that intelligent exist. Those flat plots make it look like a no-brainer. Might as well do that AND Bass EQ since it just takes one box.



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Yep. It seems like they are still to this day the best option. The quality and price is amazing. Recommended.

I am going down the rabbit hole right now. I just found out about the "Multi-Sub Optimizer" and what it can do with a Mini-DSP and I'm amazed that people that intelligent exist. Those flat plots make it look like a no-brainer. Might as well do that AND Bass EQ since it just takes one box.

Nice. I had Q15s and now have SP4-15s myself, incredible drivers, have yet to hear them struggle! Take a fair amount of juice to get them going though


And yeah, definitely give MSO a shot, it's fantastic
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WOW crazy that's a lot of power.
They are actually a bit deceiving. Because of the Infinite Baffle mounting, they have no box behind them and no "air spring" so they can handle very little power compared to box subs that huge. I want to say it's not much more than 250watts each. However, they are VERY efficient and displace a huge amount of air, so they can hit very low notes below 10Hz. This can lead to overextension and damage. The best way to protect them from damage is to simply use a lot of drivers, which is why I have 4 of these in a 13'x15'x8' sealed room.
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