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Quick question: is the BEQ for Fury OK to use for the Blu-ray version? It is NOT the Atmos version.

Edit: and if not, is there a way to request this? Thanks!

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I'm already planning on doing it (along with all new releases) but I don't have any disc audio for it yet. Were you looking for a lossy version?
Oh didn't know. I will wait until the disc comes out then, the 1080p version is floating around 4GB.
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Thor Ragnarok's BEQ is for Atmos only. Is there anyway that the Marvel movies can be BEQ'd for Atmos as well as the BD release since these movies have been available for the last 10 years and many more ppl have the BD's than the 4K's please?
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4. Can I use the 4K/UHD/ATMOS BEQ for my Regular Bluray or 3D movies?

For the most part, Yes
Just don't run at reference levels unless it's been added to the list as (SAFE)

ATMOS is ATMOS regardless of the disc source (4K/UHD or Bluray)
But if it's a movie from a studio (like Disney/Sony etc...) ATMOS may be exclusive to the 4K/UHD release.
If that's the case, almost always the Bluray version has DTS-HD MA audio. (that can sometimes require totally different BEQ)

See Oblivion example here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57881850

If the Bluray audio was TrueHD, then yes, the same BEQ applies to ATMOS/TrueHD because BOTH are from Dolby
ATMOS meta-data is actually embedded in the core 7.1 TrueHD Bitstream, so there is no change to the LFE/ULF where BEQ is concerned.
in an ATMOS capable system the meta-data is extracted and re-directed to the height channels. The LFE is not any different.

If you don't have the ATMOS version and still want to use the ATMOS BEQ on your DTS-HD MA track,
Simply use a lower Master Volume and stay away from reference levels, you'll be fine.
(down -5 should give you plenty of headroom, -10 if you want to be really cautious and you have an aggressive house curve already)

I've used this method on Dozens of 3D movies that mostly come with DTS-HD MA.
There are only a few DTS-HD MA tracks that are significantly louder than the ATMOS version.
To be 100% sure, use the BEQ-Designer App (links below) and generate your own graph and compare it to the ATMOS version.


I'll be updating the list to include both formats on titles deemed safe for use with the same BEQ settings
Others can often be checked against graphs from the Ultimate Bass in Movies thread

How to read a Frequency Graph for Bass output? Reading Graphs 101

I've been using that method for almost a full year now,
The ONLY time I ever had to jump for my remote was with the Fast and Furious collection,
...That's why they have a special warning on the page 1 list.

The BEQ's for the 4K/UHD/DTS:X tracks are Very Aggressive and NOT meant for the regular bluray audio tracks at all,
I think the menu screen is regular DD5.1 and on several of the titles, it's about 15dB Hotter than the DTS:X movie track
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Thanks Pio for the info.

Btw, the last EQ band (Peak) is not in the file. It only has 3 of the 4 bands pictured here.
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Thanks Pio for the info.

Btw, the last EQ band (Peak) is not in the file. It only has 3 of the 4 bands pictured here.
In the Repo? I'll let @DesertDog know, that's his Baby (Team effort around here)

Thanks for the HeadsUp!
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Thanks Pio for the info.

Btw, the last EQ band (Peak) is not in the file. It only has 3 of the 4 bands pictured here.
Fixed. That one was a brain fart. I entered it but left the filter bypassed.
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Quick question: is the BEQ for Fury OK to use for the Blu-ray version? It is NOT the Atmos version.

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Thor Ragnarok's BEQ is for Atmos only. Is there anyway that the Marvel movies can be BEQ'd for Atmos as well as the BD release since these movies have been available for the last 10 years and many more ppl have the BD's than the 4K's please?
Here's an easy fix for setting your Master Volume using the ATMOS BEQ

... if Aron has provided a Spectrum heat map, go to the hottest passage, (brightest yellow)
Get the time stamp from the left margin, go to that section on your Bluray and adjust your volume to max without clipping,
...it's probably a safe bet it will not get any louder than that for the rest of the movie, go back to the start and hit play.

It's better than holding your remote for the whole movie "just in case"
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Here's an easy fix for setting your Master Volume using the ATMOS BEQ

... if Aron has provided a Spectrum heat map, go to the hottest passage, (brightest yellow)
Get the time stamp from the left margin, go to that section on your Bluray and adjust your volume to max without clipping,
...it's probably a safe bet it will not get any louder than that for the rest of the movie, go back to the start and hit play.

It's better than holding your remote for the whole movie "just in case"
Unfortunately I just finished Thor Ragnarok and I started BEQ half way through It when I read your response. Even tho the mv adjustment shows +2.5 (I watch most of my movies at -12) I followed your warnings and watched 5db below the recommended, so mv -14.5. Yeah....wish I had the Atmos version because at that volume i knew I was missing both dynamics and deep bass. Oh well, now I know, thanks.
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Fixed. That one was a brain fart. I entered it but left the filter bypassed.
I wanted to add the 4th EQ Band (is their a name for this?) but since I was already in unfamiliar waters using the BEQ for the Atmos version, I didn't want to add anymore than what it already had lol. I like to play it really safe when it comes to this stuff.
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Quick question: is the BEQ for Fury OK to use for the Blu-ray version? It is NOT the Atmos version.

Edit: and if not, is there a way to request this? Thanks!
I'll check it for you in a couple of hours
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Fury DTS-HD MA 5.1 Yeh that works OK..





If you felt the need for a bit more, you could probably get away with adding one more 18hz LS to get this..







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I'm already planning on doing it (along with all new releases) but I don't have any disc audio for it yet. Were you looking for a lossy version?
Actually I take it back. I saw the 2160p HDR version drop around 15GB. Could you do the lossy version please?
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Actually I take it back. I saw the 2160p HDR version drop around 15GB. Could you do the lossy version please?
I am working on the lossy Atmos track as we speak. I always do the lossy Atmos track for the major new releases.
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This thread will be 1yr old tomorrow 8500 posts and over 900 titles BEQ'd.. That's an amazing achievement Big thanks to those that have made this process so easy and being responsible for making all my movies sound so damn good

No doubt about that, I am just finishing my theater and there is nothing more frustrating than putting all this work into audio design, setup, and dumping a bunch of subs into the room only for the studios to completely neuter their sound tracks. Leave it to some fine folks to have to pick up the slack on these studios and restore the track!
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I wanted to add the 4th EQ Band (is their a name for this?) but since I was already in unfamiliar waters using the BEQ for the Atmos version, I didn't want to add anymore than what it already had lol. I like to play it really safe when it comes to this stuff.
FYI, they're filters. For Ragnorok you didn't lose out on much by not having the 4th one. It was only the overshot correction PEQ filter that was turned off. Due to the first 3 filters there was a dip between 40-60 hz that lowered down the gain by .6 db max in it. So for that title it was pretty minor. Those initially started getting added in due to @SBuger and my OCD over that sort of thing.
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So, I finally got set up to stream Netflix in 4K HDR and Atmos with the Xbox One X Apple TV 4K as well. For a while now, I’ve been sooooo looking forward to watching a lot of these series on Netflix and Amazon that are getting BEQ’d in this thread. The list is getting pretty long for these. So cool!!

I haven’t checked out any of the ones from Amazon yet but checked out the first episode of Altered Carbon and Dark last night. WOW, just freaking WOW!!! I don’t think I was expecting that kind of quality from streaming I thought Altered Carbon looked and sounded absolutely AMAZING, like, super sharp and fantastic Atmos sound!!! As good as or maybe even better than some of the best I’ve heard yet on the actual 4K Atmos blu ray movies. At least from what I saw and heard last night (hopefully I’ll feel the same about it when I check it out again tonight). As for the Bass, seemed really good. Does bass lack much in comparison to an actual 4K blu ray disc? What’s the consensus on this from you knowledgeable bass loving streamers? I’m sure you guys have talked about this already at some point, but I probably missed it or skimmed over it (since I thought what all I mentioned up above and was so impressed with would probably take a big hit by streaming it). Plus, I wasn’t setup yet and didn’t know when that would happen.

Dark was awesome as well!! But haven’t figured out if I want to read the subtitles and get the original German language or put up with the English voices looking so jacked up with the German speaking lips LOL. I feel like I miss so many great visuals by always reading. Either way, I enjoyed Dark a LOT already. Awesome PQ, Atmos and bass as well. I’m stunned actually of the quality of these 4K Atmos streams!!!
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I keep seeing this thread mentioned in other threads so I thought I'd check it out. I don't have a minidsp, but I do have an antimode dual core that has a lot of adjustable eq options. I am already using it for a house curve but it also has parametric equalizers for freq, bandwidth, and gain. I might pick a favorite bluray movie and set a profile for it and see what happens.
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I keep seeing this thread mentioned in other threads so I thought I'd check it out. I don't have a minidsp, but I do have an antimode dual core that has a lot of adjustable eq options. I am already using it for a house curve but it also has parametric equalizers for freq, bandwidth, and gain. I might pick a favorite bluray movie and set a profile for it and see what happens.
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Dark was awesome as well!! But haven’t figured out if I want to read the subtitles and get the original German language or put up with the English voices looking so jacked up with the German speaking lips LOL. I feel like I miss so many great visuals by always reading. Either way, I enjoyed Dark a LOT already. Awesome PQ, Atmos and bass as well. I’m stunned actually of the quality of these 4K Atmos streams!!!
Not sure if it is the same with streaming, but I know on Blu Ray (and DVD before), the dubbed track is always of lower quality (i.e. TrueHD vs. Dolby Digital, DTS MA vs. DTS, etc.). For this reason...and because I cannot stand the words not matching the lips nor the horrible acting from the dubbers...I always watch foreign films with subs.
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I haven’t checked out any of the ones from Amazon yet but checked out the first episode of Altered Carbon and Dark last night. WOW, just freaking WOW!!! I don’t think I was expecting that kind of quality from streaming
Well, you certainly picked two reference quality titles!

Altered Carbon remains the best HDR I've ever seen on a stream, hands down, and it's in the running for the best HDR period. It truly is flat out incredible and almost mesmerizing to watch because the visuals are just that great! Not to mention, the show is great on its own.

And then you go to Dark, which not only is one of my favorite shows ever, but the Atmos mix in that first season are also not only the best streaming Atmos track I've ever heard, but again, just in general, the sound design is mind-blowingly great and it's in the running for me as my favorite Atmos mix.

I'm happy for you that are getting to experience them for the first time! And experience is the right word! Enjoy it, brother!
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So, I finally got set up to stream Netflix in 4K and Atmos with the Xbox One X Apple TV 4K as well but liking the Xbox better so far for it last night. For a while now, I’ve been sooooo looking forward to watching a lot of these series on Netflix and Amazon that are getting BEQ’d in this thread. The list is getting pretty long for these. So cool!!



I haven’t checked out any of the ones from Amazon yet but checked out the first episode of Altered Carbon and Dark last night. WOW, just freaking WOW!!! I don’t think I was expecting that kind of quality from streaming I thought Altered Carbon looked and sounded absolutely AMAZING, like, super sharp and fantastic Atmos sound!!! As good as or maybe even better than some of the best I’ve heard yet on the actual 4K Atmos blu ray movies. At least from what I saw and heard last night (hopefully I’ll feel the same about it when I check it out again tonight). As for the Bass, seemed really good. Does bass lack much in comparison to an actual 4K blu ray disc? What’s the consensus on this from you knowledgeable bass loving streamers? I’m sure you guys have talked about this already at some point, but I probably missed it or skimmed over it (since I thought what all I mentioned up above and was so impressed with would probably take a big hit by streaming it). Plus, I wasn’t setup yet and didn’t know when that would happen.



Dark was awesome as well!! But haven’t figured out if I want to read the subtitles and get the original German language or put up with the English voices looking so jacked up with the German speaking lips LOL. I feel like I miss so many great visuals by always reading. Either way, I enjoyed Dark a LOT already. Awesome PQ, Atmos and bass as well. I’m stunned actually of the quality of these 4K Atmos streams!!!


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^^^ Agreed on the above about Altered Carbon and Dark on Netflix !!!!
Both picture and sound is better than at least 80% of all UHD HDR discs released so far, and honestly: they SHOULD be benchmark for how it should look and sound!!! ALL categories !

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When I first saw this thread I thought, oh god, one more thing I have to learn and deal with. Boy was I wrong. This has ended up becoming great fun and it's awesome to see these soundtracks enhanced with BEQ. Thanks guys for such an awesome idea and execution!
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@aron7awol - I was scanning the cheap blu rays on blu-ray.com the other day and it showed up with couple titles which from memory where rather good on the bass action. Do you think Assault on Precinct 13 and Enemy of the State are BEQ worthy?
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Well, you certainly picked two reference quality titles!

Altered Carbon remains the best HDR I've ever seen on a stream, hands down, and it's in the running for the best HDR period. It truly is flat out incredible and almost mesmerizing to watch because the visuals are just that great! Not to mention, the show is great on its own.

And then you go to Dark, which not only is one of my favorite shows ever, but the Atmos mix in that first season are also not only the best streaming Atmos track I've ever heard, but again, just in general, the sound design is mind-blowingly great and it's in the running for me as my favorite Atmos mix.

I'm happy for you that are getting to experience them for the first time! And experience is the right word! Enjoy it, brother!
So, no wonder I was in such AWE with Altered Carbon and Dark, as its sounds like they are the cream of the crop and true reference quality that sets the bar!! Yeah, I remember several times watching these two that I just couldn’t hardly believe what I was seeing on screen, hearing too!!! Nicely put Aron with description of ‘mesmerizing’, that word sums it up pretty good

Thanks!! Yeah, I’m so excited about it!! With just Netflix alone, I think I’ve got HOURS of great quality stuff to watch. Since I’m late to the party, I feel like I’ve discovered a large goldmine of entertainment and makes it worth all the work and dollars we’ve put into our systems!! After, this is the main reason we all try to better our HT systems, so we can experience this kind of stuff in its full glory

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^^^ NOW you understand why i have been nagging you for months to try out Altered carbon ???? LOL

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