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No problem at all and thanks to the work by the selfless folks here, I now know that the SHD Studio won't work.

I tried all sorts of shielding methods but the RF emission from my particular unit was so strong, it affected my remote's antenna which is 25 feet away!!

Unfortunately I can't individually tune each sub because I don't have enough cabling to run individual cables to each sub (for now at least!). I will look into running an additional cable. I didn't think that I needed to tune each identical sub individually since they are located symmetrically from my seating position.
Wow on that RF problem well I hope the BEQ powers that be can support that $1300 unit fully as those balanced connectors look nice. I use Oppo 203 for my analog out signal and pretty comfortable (don't ask) with that, but in my heart of heart regret returning the expensive Oppo 205 for a 203 just for the cork sniffing hope of a little better subwoofer source. Oppo never had balanced subwoofer output, but maybe one of the driveless clones out there might do that someday. I'm considering Monolith THX subs and they have balanced connectors.

Well with minidsp already in your system you have some low hanging fruit. With a two sub system there are theoretical optimum positions in rectangular room with opposing diaganol corners being a favorite. If you don't already have a mic you should get a umik-1 (fully calibrated from cross-spectrum is the best deal as it mimics $1000 mic accuracy). Its pretty easy and fun to measure the subs with REW, run their room simulator to model different placements, and then well the fun begins when you inidividually tweak those subwoofers with minidsp. So hopefully when your system settles down you can look at those subs individually and how they are interacting. The measure and test part is pretty easy while the adjust process quite time consuming though their are very effective techniques for REW to do kind of a magic button and give you settings to import to the minidsp using a generated biquad file (and I don't understand biquads). So make plans to wade into this if you've not already done so as I'm sure you'll be very satisfied when its all said and done. For me having all those bass humps and dips smoothed out just allowed things like Atmos to image much better and I suspect even for stereo doing so will just make your other speakers sound great. Those better setup subs will also get more benefit from BEQ.

I'm due to check my subs again as I'm pretty firm on my positioning and want to model what replacing one PB12-NSD with a ported Monolith THX 15 sub might gain me in low end response. I also need to try another subwoofer 12 step setup method from AVrant before using minidsp for further correction. This is like setting up from scratch and it will take quite a while as I can't use the REW magic button approach (don't ask). Feel free to ask me questions down the road as I'm an avid minidsp newbie expanding my knowledge.

I'll pass on one of my favorite cork sniffing minidsp tuning tricks for the BEQ heads. I call it wagging the dog. I came up with this because i realized my stock Umik-1 could be up to 2 db off at 20hz in how it measures, but based on a few articles the response may be quite accrate at 40 hz. So I use a high shelf to hand tweak this response (German 4K HDR Atmos recording by Dolby of Liszt and Beethoven Piano concertos a fave since engineer roll off one would assume not done in that 20-40 range.) You end up having to tweak by ear at reference volume. So getting that bass response just so will actually help your high frequency sound (bass reproduction affects how we listen or perceive high frequencies). I still wag the dog with BEQ and it helps. And when you think about it BEQ is all about have the most accurate low bass response. Here are my settings for this handy EQ right now:
Frequency 11
Gain -0.3
Q 0.5
high_shelf

So this wagging of the dog basically moves the response below 40 hz and at 40 hardly at all. This also can be handy if you are hand massaging your bass in minidsp and you just have more or less low bass in this range kind of working out as you use the parametrics settings to massage up valleys and bring down humps. And if you don't have a cross-spectrum umik-1 or other highly accurate microphone you want this to try to guess at your own mic's errors in the low bass. On my last tune I just had a natural incline in bass as I went down towards 20 hertz and so wagging dog helped correct that and deal with mic accuracy at the same time. (Even if you have a great mic I'd try this in one's house curve approach as you may listen above or below reference and this can tune.) I love cork sniffing stuff like this and nothing like getting your sound just so.
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I know the following two movies are not bass extravaganzas, but I do think the engineers did not do a ton off low frequency roll off just because they seem to have a great ambient sound:
1. Mary Queen of Scots - the galloping horses going down hills sounds pretty heavy, but as I've mentioned elsewhere the meeting of the Queens just has a lot of wind and other sounds and I suspect having perfect bass part of that equation.
2. Suspiria (1973) - another Atmos track down with breathtaking artistry. Could it be even better?

I love this kind of sound and every BEQ'd movie I try makes gains in these areas so well I just think the powers that be after being pummeled EQing and watching something like Hurricane Heist might enjoy some lighter fair.
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Hi Aron Amy chance for sky Atlantic show Gangs of London please

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Sonic The Hedgehog is badass, especially in Dolby Atmos!

Check out the cool effect at 26:44 min. Everything in the house went nuts like it was about to throw up an earthquake!

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BEQ newbie has officially entered the subwoofer nervosa phase:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post59580862

Monolith THX 15 checks in at 167 pounds boxed.

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BEQ Inception (2010) DTS-HD MA 5.1

LS 10Hz Q0.9 4.3dB x 3 (12.9dB total)

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@aron7awol , can we get an update on this one? Also, if you have it, can you see what you can squeeze out of Dirty Grandpa (No puns intended)?


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BEQ for Defending Jacob is still good through episode 4!
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BEQ newbie has officially entered the subwoofer nervosa phase:
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Monolith THX 15 checks in at 167 pounds boxed.
Congrats. That looks like a killer sub.

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Hey,

What is the easiest way of resetting input channels without resetting whole mini? everytime when i finish watching movie with beq i always restore it default settings then load my HC file, but is there simpler way of doing that?
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What is the easiest way of resetting input channels without resetting whole mini? everytime when i finish watching movie with beq i always restore it default settings then load my HC file, but is there simpler way of doing that?
Put your default/HC on a different CONFIG and just toggle to it after the movie. I'm not sure why you're resetting to default and then applying the HC XML though. I just reapply the HC file which gets me back to "baseline."
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Put your default/HC on a different CONFIG and just toggle to it after the movie. I'm not sure why you're resetting to default and then applying the HC XML though. I just reapply the HC file which gets me back to "baseline."
Oh yeah, muppet me why i didnt thought about just reloading HC file
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Congrats. That looks like a killer sub.

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Well in modelling that in my room I also reworked my two PB12-NSDs with their new Edge of Tommorrow limiter light balance and the AVrant two subwoofer method. So now I have 3db down point at 19 hz instead of 21 hz. I just hand tuned my visual minidsp settings and well its just absolutely singing with all sorts of cork sniffing nicities (first rate Atmos piano concerto) and don't think it was just two more Hz of extension.

So my 167 pound hippo hero is on hold because..:
1. New response even smoother and I'm not sure I can tame the hippo and PB12 to be quite as good.
2. Now dual PB2000 pro will get me down to 17 hz in my room plus 3-4 db more output for limiter light free performance. More of a guaranteed win, but also 17 hz is not the hoped for 14 hz with nice slow rolloff for more tactiles.
3. Now that I'm just a hertz away from ruler flat to 20hz maybe its buttkicker time.
4. I need more time punishing my ears with BEQ to make the final decision on what I need as more ear bleeding scare me from even longer pressure waves.

Still in the throws of subwoofer nervosa.
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So my 167 pound hippo hero is on hold because..

Still in the throws of subwoofer nervosa.
Sounds like a reasonable approach. Two PB12 are not something to scoff at, and if you can get flat to 20hz probably the best route from there would be to get some tactile devices, provided you don't want to spend any more money.

Although, like Geo commented on your thread, probably what you'd want in the long run are two Monolith 15, and some tactile device. And I only say this because you seem very passionate about bass, and I can't imagine you stopping at dual PB12. But your current setup is not bad at all, especially that now you're fine tuning it. I know the setups from the majority of the users in this thread can make you feel like you have nothing, lol.



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Sounds like a reasonable approach. Two PB12 are not something to scoff at, and if you can get flat to 20hz probably the best route from there would be to get some tactile devices, provided you don't want to spend any more money.

Although, like Geo commented on your thread, probably what you'd want in the long run are two Monolith 15, and some tactile device. And I only say this because you seem very passionate about bass, and I can't imagine you stopping at dual PB12. But your current setup is not bad at all, especially that now you're fine tuning it. I know the setups from the majority of the users in this thread can make you feel like you have nothing, lol.



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So might subs don't sound too much under duress, but that opening bridge scene in A Quiet Place with BEQ lit up my limiter lights a bit (equally ) with really just some flickers, but one held for a bit. Is this a sign or normal life with BEQ? The SVS are indestructible though I suppose this will wear on them over time, but 5 year warranty.

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So might subs don't sound too much under duress, but that opening bridge scene in A Quiet Place with BEQ lit up my limiter lights a bit (equally ) with really just some flickers, but one held for a bit. Is this a sign or normal life with BEQ? The SVS are indestructible though I suppose this will wear on them over time, but 5 year warranty.
At this rate, you're talking about a five month warranty . I still think BEQ is of not much use in your current setup, at the levels you want it, unless someone else disagrees with me. I think @MOberhardt has the closest to your setup with a single PB2000, and he does well with it, but I don't think he watches at your SPL levels, and besides he does his own BEQ.

So I'd tone it down a bit, or wait until you have more capable subs. The reality is that BEQ is really meant for very capable systems that can take full advantage of it. If you can only get to 20hz, some exceptions aside, you're better off without it. Just my perception.

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At this rate, you're talking about a five month warranty . I still think BEQ is of not much use in your current setup, at the levels you want it, unless someone else disagrees with me. I think @MOberhardt has the closest to your setup with a single PB2000, and he does well with it, but I don't think he watches at your SPL levels, and besides he does his own BEQ.

So I'd tone it down a bit, or wait until you have more capable subs. The reality is that BEQ is really meant for very capable systems that can take full advantage of it. If you can only get to 20hz, some exceptions aside, you're better off without it. Just my perception.

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I've two PB2000s and Crowsons. I also have the Behringer mid range behind the couch. But even when I just had the two pb2ks though, BEQ made an enormous difference. But I've never driven my subs and gear at anything other that what the room correction on the anthem set it to. Well since I got Crowsons I did change the frequency so it wouldn't do anything low down. So I've not just boosted volume of anything. And IMHO, BEQ is the best boost and still so drastically noticable. I'd rank the Crowsons as the next best boost.
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Wait. Did you upgrade and I didn't notice it, or my memory is fuzzy? I think I'm the only one living in medieval times .

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I've always had the two pb2ks since I found this thread, and just got the Crowsons and Behringer as minor upgrades from what I heard here. I think I've mentioned it in posts.

A MiniDSP and BEQ is the best and cheapest upgrade you can get. I'd definitely suggest the widg wifi too. Then I'd say the Crowsons rank a high second. Even if you were just running a garbage soundbar I'm sure these would help. But I can say even just with the pb2ks, BEQ made a huge difference, and movies I had seen prior that I tried since was astounding. Especially stuff like Battleship and First Man. First Man was how I found out about this from the Blu-ray.com forum, and sweet mother, what an improvement, even with just the subs. If my MiniDSP died, I'd buy a new one, and avoid watching anything that had BEQ available or needing it until it arrived.

If people drive subs hot, or run extra low-end correction plus BEQ, I can't comment, but it kind of makes me think that is something that could lead to distortion and a worse result. But if say prior to BEQ you just ran subs hot to try to get some half decent bass due to studio xxxxery, unwind it before using BEQ.
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^^^ Agreed With the heavy filtering on most movies, and even with "just" a SVS, BEQ should be a must!!
It has been stated many times, but since people still ask about this, it deserves repeating:

BEQ is the BEST upgrade you can do for LFE for your money!!! PERIOD!!

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This one needs a bit of testing. There's some good ULF down there, but it's starting to mix with some noise at these levels of boost. If the noise turns out to be detrimental, I can tweak the filters or add a negative shelf to remove some of it.
Speaking of movies that gain a large amount by BEQ that can be noticed with smaller subs, i watched this today. I've always been a huge fan of this movie, i even watched the 1974 original.

This movie made me put Elanor as 1 of 2 cars i would own if i ever hit the lottery! The other car being the McLaren F1.

My system goes down to about 15hz pretty good, so i can't talk about anything below that, but the range i can use i definitely noticed a huge difference.

IMO the best scene of this movie is when he starts Elanor up! Man, BEQ really brought out that deep bass you would expect from a muscle car being started in a parking garage!! I probably watched that scene about 5 times in a row today lol. That scene is so demo worthy. I know a demo showcasing that scene with and without BEQ has been created but i could never get any of the BEQ demos to work on my system.

If you own this movie (BD LPCM) and are able to go really low, i recommend you try it. No one with a capable system has tried it yet i think.

And for those wondering if BEQ helps even with less capable subs, here's your answer. From 50hz down this movie gets woken up!
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Any chance of updating both new Ninja Turtles (Atmos), and Den Of Thieves please?
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Any chance of updating both new Ninja Turtles (Atmos), and Den Of Thieves please?
Den of Thieves is flat out a must see, overlooked movie . I have purchased it twice on Blu Ray. I got the local Aussie Blu Ray. Then I saw the US version had two cuts and I got that. And you know what? If they released it on UHD I'd gladly rebuy it on release date.
It pushed Heat our of its place I my books as best movie of that sub genre
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This one needs a bit of testing. There's some good ULF down there, but it's starting to mix with some noise at these levels of boost. If the noise turns out to be detrimental, I can tweak the filters or add a negative shelf to remove some of it.

Weird, I input those values into BEQDesigner and got a different end result


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Speaking of movies that gain a large amount by BEQ that can be noticed with smaller subs, i watched this today. I've always been a huge fan of this movie, i even watched the 1974 original.

This movie made me put Elanor as 1 of 2 cars i would own if i ever hit the lottery! The other car being the McLaren F1.

My system goes down to about 15hz pretty good, so i can't talk about anything below that, but the range i can use i definitely noticed a huge difference.

IMO the best scene of this movie is when he starts Elanor up! Man, BEQ really brought out that deep bass you would expect from a muscle car being started in a parking garage!! I probably watched that scene about 5 times in a row today lol. That scene is so demo worthy. I know a demo showcasing that scene with and without BEQ has been created but i could never get any of the BEQ demos to work on my system.

If you own this movie (BD LPCM) and are able to go really low, i recommend you try it. No one with a capable system has tried it yet i think.

And for those wondering if BEQ helps even with less capable subs, here's your answer. From 50hz down this movie gets woken up!
You ain't lying! I loaded Gone In 60 Seconds with BEQ just to watch him fire up Eleanor at 1:28:00 and it shook the couch!

As an aside, those who play video games and have an Xbox One, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is only $1 for 1 month right now and they have Forza Horizon 4 and some of the cars sound like this! It's definitely the best and funnest car game I've ever played!

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I've always had the two pb2ks since I found this thread, and just got the Crowsons and Behringer as minor upgrades from what I heard here. I think I've mentioned it in posts.

A MiniDSP and BEQ is the best and cheapest upgrade you can get. I'd definitely suggest the widg wifi too. Then I'd say the Crowsons rank a high second. Even if you were just running a garbage soundbar I'm sure these would help. But I can say even just with the pb2ks, BEQ made a huge difference, and movies I had seen prior that I tried since was astounding. Especially stuff like Battleship and First Man. First Man was how I found out about this from the Blu-ray.com forum, and sweet mother, what an improvement, even with just the subs. If my MiniDSP died, I'd buy a new one, and avoid watching anything that had BEQ available or needing it until it arrived.

If people drive subs hot, or run extra low-end correction plus BEQ, I can't comment, but it kind of makes me think that is something that could lead to distortion and a worse result. But if say prior to BEQ you just ran subs hot to try to get some half decent bass due to studio xxxxery, unwind it before using BEQ.
With the minidsp widg is Alexa of any use?

You prefer Crowson's over buttkickers, BOSS, and other options? (I've not researched these much). Any views on when to transition to tactile? By that I mean do you try to go to 20hz flat and then go tactile or do you try to hit 15 hertz and then tactile. I've got a listening position (with ottoman for feet sadly) that literally features a sectional with five inch removable legs (Small long BOSS could cover three seats like couch with perhaps some fine wood beams for border for a completely finished look.) These sectional pieces are also pretty hollow as they don't have a bed of coil springs so you could literally take the bottom protective cover off and have some serious space. At the listening positions is also a natural spot for a narrow sofa table so very easy to add some classy gadgetry back there (this is a living room so the plywood look is out.) So I've got all sorts of options and not sure whether to up the budget subwoofer game some and then go to tactiles or just up the budget subwoofer game and even no tactiles. (I'm in Ohio area and very interested to hear BEQ/tactile system.)

I took the opposite initial approach and used my list of 13 top bass movies that BEQ only helps below 17 hertz. With my two PB12 nasties (pb2000 predecessor) my 3 db point down point in room is around 20 hertz and yes even with those SVS speakers rolling off sharply one does get benefit. Just a more natural and right sound with a more weight feel. I'm barely scraping the surface of movies that are cut majorly at 30 Hz (the norm) and its the same effect in spades plus of course more bass. Things just sound much more correct over the entire spectrum with those very audible engineered bass roll offs removed.

I would recommend BEQ and multiple subs for most any setup. If you are a little bit shy on power and low end you can still get a nice benefit. The key is to have a modern subwoofer like SVS/Monolith that is fully protected from idiocy. I did put in the limiter settings back a page and still lighting up my SVS limiter lights a bit. Just to be clear I would be scared to death of BEQ without protection circuitry. Oh and I do have a 48 db crossover set at 10 hz to protect my Nasties so that puts them 6 db down at 10 hz and then dropping lock a rock (maybe a db down near 14 hz and no impact above 15). So really with that initial set of titles I've just been BEQing below 17 Hz with that starting to curtail already by 14 Hz and yet I still like it a lot; those engineered rolloffs are just very unnatural sounding.

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I'm really enjoying those MV (main volume settings). I just realized what they mean. With my start watching Force Awakens last night the BEQ settings say turn your volume up another +5.5db, but the Disney+ version did not need that adjustment. So for me with the disc I had my soundbar volume on max and not quite enough output with this movie, but with the Disney+ version I had enough volume to come down from max some. I can see this as a handy tool for me to determine where I need to avoid the disc and get the streaming version. If anyone else is running out of gas with some of the Disney releases (probably pretty common with soundbars), well they can get use of the data in this thread just to know what discs to avoid.

For those aware of my earlier ear bleed comments on Revenge of the Sith I was kind of shocked that BEQ'd Force Awakens didn't set off my ears. Still working up the courage for BEQ'd Revenge of the Sith.
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-The single digits are where the magic lies.....they deliver a 'touch of god' sensation that sometimes makes the hairs on one's arms stand up. It's hard to describe but it feels like you are there in the recording studio with the artist and "feeling" them move as they are playing the instrument. You can't see them, but you can feel them as movements are happening on the floor below you. - trhought
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