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Thanks!

I downloaded the most recent file from the repository but it only mentioned DD+ Atmos. I am using it anyways.
If you open the spoiler tags, you'll see the BEQ filters are virtually identical for ATMOS and DD+ ATMOS
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I have no problem hitting reference in my room at -15 MV on my AVR,
With disc content, sometimes bump up to -10. Max is +16 on my Yamaha so I have lots of headroom.

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Thanks. I just saw in the FAQ that adding it requires a new EQ run (whether audyssey, Dirac, etc) because of this, which I'm fine with.
As long as you make sure your sub distance is ok I don't think you don't necessarily have to re-run it. As I said I left everything intact initially and mapped input 1 to output 1 and input 2 to sub 2, made sure crossovers on minidsp were disabled, and just adjusted sub distance with some REW sweeps. That worked just fine. Later on I did wind up using a single sub out from avr and time aligned using minidsp and re-ran Audyssey.
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Yes, yes and yes. A long usb cable extender is cheaper. If you don’t mind one chord. Follow the instructions on page one to get GITHUB and you refresh it once a week to get the new BEQ’s.


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Thanks!

I downloaded the most recent file from the repository but it only mentioned DD+ Atmos. I am using it anyways.
Aron actually just posted this update notification yesterday.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post59584892
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If you open the spoiler tags, you'll see the BEQ filters are virtually identical for ATMOS and DD+ ATMOS
Ha, right? I almost felt like it wasn't even worth changing. But nobody can accuse me of half-assing it, that's for sure!
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Thanks!

I downloaded the most recent file from the repository but it only mentioned DD+ Atmos. I am using it anyways.
I'm starting to update the repo now. Aron likes to drop 50 new BEQs when I'm not around for a couple days instead of doing all of them on the days I'm sitting at laptop for 15 hours. I need to find where he hid the camera to know that I'm gone.
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I'm starting to update the repo now. Aron likes to drop 50 new BEQs when I'm not around for a couple days instead of doing all of them on the days I'm sitting at laptop for 15 hours. I need to find where he hid the camera to know that I'm gone.
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I'm starting to update the repo now. Aron likes to drop 50 new BEQs when I'm not around for a couple days instead of doing all of them on the days I'm sitting at laptop for 15 hours. I need to find where he hid the camera to know that I'm gone.
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Hope you enjoyed your well-deserved couple days off, brother!
Thanks, unfortunately it wasn't really relaxing. A female friend of mine moved and I was helping her with it. Also built some custom shelves for a pantry for her. So it was busy. Being 100+ out didn't help either.

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Quick off-topic question but is anyone else here watching The Last Dance docu about Jordan and the Bulls on ESPN?

I think its amazing! I like how they use music with lots of bass that was popular in the years being discussed.
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is anyone else having problems loading files via beq designer on Mac?

I update the repo then when I go into the files to load they are all greyed out and I can't load anything?
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is anyone else having problems loading files via beq designer on Mac?

I update the repo then when I go into the files to load they are all greyed out and I can't load anything?
Are you merging and loading into a mini DSP? Make sure you loaded your "PEQ/HOUSE-CURVE" XML file as well.
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Thanks im sure im doing something silly. I will start again.
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Thanks im sure im doing something silly. I will start again.
If it doesn't work this time post the exact steps of what you're doing. It should be working fine on a Mac. It's what I use and that they're created on. I don't know of any issue with BEQd on a mac either.

Make sure you're using the load menu and not the save menu. It almost sounds like you accidentally picked save since all of the files were greyed out. The menu items are next to each other.
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Are you able to control BEQ with minidsp wifi device with an app or other device or pretty much this just saves connecting with USB cord to laptop?
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I don't mind paying more for the WiFi option. No easy way to run a cord to my couch and I don't want to have to plug it in to my laptop everytime.

The final question before I jump in: do I actually need the HD or is the standard perfectly fine for purely BEQ use (no house curve or any of that, the receiver/Dirac will handle everything else) without affecting sound quality?

And if standard is fine, does the WiFi adapter work with the standard Mini? The FAQ guide makes it seem like it only works with the HD but the MiniDSP site doesn't specify such a restriction.
I understand when it is not easy to run a cable, but I just wanted to point out the WI-DG has issues with connectivity. I purchased one not knowing this in advance, and it was a pain to get connected, as it has the same hard-coded IP address as my cable modem: 192.168.1.100. I also use a 10.10.2.x subnet in my home network, so that complicated things. I eventually got the WI-DG setup and working, but there were occasional drops that required resetting it (just a button push on the WI-DG) to get it to reconnect.

For my setup, I just went back to a USB connection, as I have the laptop sitting in the rack, and use either Windows Remote Desktop to manage my BEQ's and select a movie BEQ prior to heading to the theater. I also use an HDMI cable from the laptop to the AVP, so I have the option of using a wireless keyboard / mouse in the theater.

YMMV.

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Updated to DTS:X...and it's gross!
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WTF?? I suppose I'll be sticking with my original copy then. This is pretty sad...
Pardon my ignorance, but why is it not possible to have the DTS: X version have the same response as the DTS-HD MA 5.1? Is the maximum safe boost exceeded?
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I understand when it is not easy to run a cable, but I just wanted to point out the WI-DG has issues with connectivity. I purchased one not knowing this in advance, and it was a pain to get connected, as it has the same hard-coded IP address as my cable modem: 192.168.1.100. I also use a 10.10.2.x subnet in my home network, so that complicated things. I eventually got the WI-DG setup and working, but there were occasional drops that required resetting it (just a button push on the WI-DG) to get it to reconnect.

For my setup, I just went back to a USB connection, as I have the laptop sitting in the rack, and use either Windows Remote Desktop to manage my BEQ's and select a movie BEQ prior to heading to the theater. I also use an HDMI cable from the laptop to the AVP, so I have the option of using a wireless keyboard / mouse in the theater.

YMMV.

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Forgive me if I missed it in the FAQ, but what is the difference between the green and red lines when looking at the movie title graphs?
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Forgive me if I missed it in the FAQ, but what is the difference between the green and red lines when looking at the movie title graphs?
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Thanks, can't believe I missed that.


OK, one last post before I take the "Red" pill. Can someone tell me if my logic/step by step is correct:


1) Add MiniDSP HD to the chain and re-run Dirac just to account for any delay issue, etc using bypass/off settings in the MiniDSP
2) Whether I use a cable or get the Wifi setup correctly with the adapter, once I am ready to watch a movie I connect to the MiniDSP with the HD1 plugin and then load the appropriate XML file under the "Load" option in the menu
3) Watch the movie as I would have in terms of volume level (close to reference, I never watch exactly at reference) but be sure to keep the volume low until the actual movie plays
4) When done, choose a Config preset that has all EQ Off/Bypassed for normal usage (non-BEQ movies, TV, Video Games, etc)
5) Rinse and repeat steps 2-4 for each movie I want to use BEQ on


As simple as that? No need to fiddle with anything else? And can just easily choose a Config with the remote (or my Harmony remote if programmed) to bypass a loaded BEQ?



Thanks for all the help and patience.
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Hey Aron, could you take a peek at the Atmos mix for Jumanji The Next Level and see if it needs a different BEQ from the DTSX? Thanks!!


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Pardon my ignorance, but why is it not possible to have the DTS: X version have the same response as the DTS-HD MA 5.1? Is the maximum safe boost exceeded?
Well, in this case, it's due to maximum ****ery of the whole DTS-X mix. Basically, whoever mixed this version screwed it all to hell.

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Well, in this case, it's due to maximum ****ery of the whole DTS-X mix. Basically, whoever mixed this version screwed it all to hell.

Like, who looked at that original mix and thought "ya know what this needs? less bass"
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Like, who looked at that original mix and thought "ya know what this needs? less bass"
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Thanks, can't believe I missed that.


OK, one last post before I take the "Red" pill. Can someone tell me if my logic/step by step is correct:


1) Add MiniDSP HD to the chain and re-run Dirac just to account for any delay issue, etc using bypass/off settings in the MiniDSP
2) Whether I use a cable or get the Wifi setup correctly with the adapter, once I am ready to watch a movie I connect to the MiniDSP with the HD1 plugin and then load the appropriate XML file under the "Load" option in the menu
3) Watch the movie as I would have in terms of volume level (close to reference, I never watch exactly at reference) but be sure to keep the volume low until the actual movie plays
4) When done, choose a Config preset that has all EQ Off/Bypassed for normal usage (non-BEQ movies, TV, Video Games, etc)
5) Rinse and repeat steps 2-4 for each movie I want to use BEQ on


As simple as that? No need to fiddle with anything else? And can just easily choose a Config with the remote (or my Harmony remote if programmed) to bypass a loaded BEQ?



Thanks for all the help and patience.
Before step 2, you need to install and set up BEQ Designer, as that will allow the one-click BEQ loading of step 2. Otherwise, it looks OK to me, and this will get you up and running. I am not sure if you left this part out, bu you will eventually want to use REW and the mini-DSP to time-align your subs and load their individual sub output channel PEQs. The PEQ filters can be generated either via REW, or via Multi-Sub Optimizer (MSO); MSO is only an option if you have 3 or more subs.

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MSO is only an option if you have 3 or more subs.
I use it with 2 subs...
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Before step 2, you need to install and set up BEQ Designer, as that will allow the one-click BEQ loading of step 2. Otherwise, it looks OK to me, and this will get you up and running. I am not sure if you left this part out, bu you will eventually want to use REW and the mini-DSP to time-align your subs and load their individual sub output channel PEQs. The PEQ filters can be generated either via REW, or via Multi-Sub Optimizer (MSO); MSO is only an option if you have 3 or more subs.

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Ahh, thanks. I'll look into the BEQ Designer app and see if I have anymore clarification questions.



Regarding REW, no need for me. I only have the one sub (Funk 21.0L) but it does the job for my room. Frequency doesn't start to roll-off until 16Hz but I can probably add a little gain to go further to 14Hz if I want to.
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Did you get a password from Nathan to open the advance features of your Funks AllDSP software yet?

I'm currently running the Flat EQ pre-set on my twin Funk Audio 18.0's

Max Extention preset was a little too much for me since adding BEQ

I never asked him...I am definitely not of the "skill" (or time/patience) to delve that deeply into the software. I will probably switch over to No EQ and let Dirac handle everything if I go the BEQ route, just to be sure I am not stacking gain upon gain upon gain lol
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This season is in stereo so keep in mind that for graphing purposes stereo sources are only reduced by 6dB, as opposed to the normal 20.2/10.2dB for non-LFE/LFE in 5.1 or 7.1 sources. This is why it appears to be much higher in level than normal.
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