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It seems that most movie sound mixers tend to high-pass their bass to avoid unwanted "noise" to some degree, just hoping that they could ease up the slope to leave some content down there for salvage
Hmm.

Honestly, with how receivers work with bass management, and room equalization, I am starting to wish there was no bass channel at all, and the other tracks were just full bandwidth and the AVR handles it.
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Honestly, with how receivers work with bass management, and room equalization, I am starting to wish there was no bass channel at all, and the other tracks were just full bandwidth and the AVR handles it.
If there was no .1 bass channel, the main channel wil not b able to contain the full loaded bass and clarity, midrange, treble wil b seriously compromised.

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Just a quick shout out to @CallingMrBenzo and @aron7awol for the awesome job they did calibrating the subs/crowsons/mini-dsp in our HT.

As I said to them after the first demo when it was done, "The Crowsons' value to our HT just doubled!"

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Jupiter Ascending xml file doesn't match the settings in the graph, just an fyi
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Boss platform relies on an air pocket between the floor and the platform, like a hovercraft, with multiple drivers providing the "lift" with air pressure.

Just a clarification. The BOSS platform isn't sealed to the floor. It's just drivers in piece of plywood/MDF in an IB config. The HoverBOSS has tubes that seal said platform to the floor.
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Jupiter Ascending xml file doesn't match the settings in the graph, just an fyi
Thanks, fixed. Looks like an update was missed.
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Just a clarification. The BOSS platform isn't sealed to the floor. It's just drivers in piece of plywood/MDF in an IB config. The HoverBOSS has tubes that seal said platform to the floor.
Just for clarification, I never once used the word "sealed" anywhere in my description.

..only that air pressure from driver movement controls the motion
So the same applies to whether it's configured as a "hover BOSS" or not.

...as opposed to a magnetic mechanical motor in Crowson Motion Actuators.
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Hey, guys... this was posted in the Ultimate Bass thread.

Follow the link below to a conversation with a bass enthusiast and real filmmixers about whether sub 20Hz content is intentional or unintentional as far as they are concerned. The thread is from 2016, but it's still certainly relevant today.

I've only quoted one post from the link but there is more conversation about it...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post...1-channel.html

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The mix is being done on a large mix stage which is (at least) on par with a well equipped cinema. Or maybe it's better, using custom modified theatrical speakers, but the goal is to have a proper translation to a proper cinema. If the mix stage has a wall of subwoofers, capable of producing 10Hz with ease at a level we can actually monitor it, we might even use it in the mix. However the real world cinemas would start distort, destroying the experience, and nobody but us and a few homecinema enthusiast would be able to hear the effect anyway. So there is no reason for filmmakers to put in 10Hz material, it's even a risk if you do.

So why is it there anyway? It's mostly a side effect of the way we work. There are multiple ways to derive the LFE sounds. You can use dedicated fx sounds, directed solely to the LFE channel. You can use 'sends' from the main channel (sort of 'taps' if you are not familiar with the terminology), meaning you feed the LFE with the same information you feed the main channels, only filtered below a certain frequency. You can cross-filter sounds sending the mid+highs to the mains and sending the lows to the LFE. And for all these options there are additional techniques to enhance the signal, like sub harmonizers. To each mixer his/her own preference so it's not the same for each movie and it's not even the same within a movie. E.g. some mixers don't add LFE to music, some do. So if you 'send' some music to the LFE and the music contains some 10Hz frequencies (airco?), it will end up in the LFE. Same goes for sound effects (the main reason actually). If you pitch down a recording of a cat purring, playing it at 5% original speed, you might get a wonderful weird sound. But 200Hz from the original recording now is 10Hz. You can imagine a lot of sounds of fantasy creatures, as well as many sounds like underwater, airplane, space, weather, scifi, monsters, and even normal stuff like room tones, can be modified versions of regular sounds. So there is a good chance some 10Hz information will end up in the final mix. But there is an even greater chance it's not intended and not even noticed by the filmmakers in the first place.

What I've learned talking to a lot of hometheater enthusiasts is they tend to canonize the sound track of a film. As if everything you hear is what it should be and is intended by the director. (the sound dept. is never mentioned by the way). In reality the final mix is what it is because the film had to be released at some point. Filmmakers tend to do what they think is best using the time and resources they are provided. Given extra time the film would be different. This goes for all departments, though some departments suffer a lot more (like visual fx for example).

That being said, if you want the reproduce the 10Hz information, feel free to do so. I wouldn't mind (I didn't mix War of the Worlds though, let me be clear about that ). I'm sure the director wouldn't mind. We all want you to have a great movie-going experience and I damn well know a high end home theater can surpass the cinema or our mix stage. Even when "it's not what the director intended".

You are not missing out on anything if you don't though. And if you end up with some annoying continuous very low frequency rumble it's probably some bad engineering on our part

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However the real world cinemas would start distort, destroying the experience, and nobody but us and a few homecinema enthusiast would be able to hear the effect anyway. So there is no reason for filmmakers to put in 10Hz material, it's even a risk if you do.
Imagine if something existed to prevent speakers from trying to reproduce frequencies below their capabilities? Like, a filter that would block out lower stuff and only let higher stuff pass? Maybe we could call it a high-pass filter...

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Imagine if something existed to prevent speakers from trying to reproduce frequencies below their capabilities? Like, a filter that would block out lower stuff and only let higher stuff pass? Maybe we could call it a high-pass filter...
Yeah, the utter silliness of these people just never ceases to astound me. Sweeping generalizations that if ANYTHING should be and ARE the domain of the AVR and room correction (or whatever rubbish soundbar or TV speaker/s you have). Should sonos look at the 2.05 speakers, process the signal and correct it for the limited capability of the equiment? Yes. The idea that some tech in a box will make a hideously flawed decision base on the ridiculous concept that it is their responsibility to cater for the lowest common denominator speakers? I really with I could have gotten into this industry as I'm constantly amazed at how these "people" seen to have no appreciation and interest in what they do.

It is the same reason for so many YEARS of blu ray releases we were getting these idiotic large subtitles made to be viewed on a 14" CRT with 12% overscan.
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Hey, guys... this was posted in the Ultimate Bass thread.

Follow the link below to a conversation with a bass enthusiast and real filmmixers about whether sub 20Hz content is intentional or unintentional as far as they are concerned. The thread is from 2016, but it's still certainly relevant today.

I've only quoted one post from the link but there is more conversation about it...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post...1-channel.html
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BassEQ Annabelle: Creation (2017) Atmos

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@CallingMrBenzo You were right about this one! The Atmos usage was incredible, and though you didn't have TR when you watched it, the TR was also perfectly placed to make what was already a creepy movie just way over the top!
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Question Space Shuttle Launch- Demo

Please can someone tell me if you come across some good space shuttle/rocket launch video or movie demo clips. Suddenly the urge feel them on Crowsons. Watched the Aborted SpaceX launch today, hope Saturday will be a better day.

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Please can someone tell me if you come across some good space shuttle/rocket launch video or movie demo clips. Suddenly the urge feel them on Crowsons. Watched the Aborted SpaceX launch today, hope Saturday will be a better day.
Here you go

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Please can someone tell me if you come across some good space shuttle/rocket launch video or movie demo clips. Suddenly the urge feel them on Crowsons. Watched the Aborted SpaceX launch today, hope Saturday will be a better day.
apollo 11 if you want a hollywood approach. by far the best launch i've experienced from a movie

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Please can someone tell me if you come across some good space shuttle/rocket launch video or movie demo clips. Suddenly the urge feel them on Crowsons. Watched the Aborted SpaceX launch today, hope Saturday will be a better day[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG].
apollo 11 if you want a hollywood approach. by far the best launch i've experienced from a movie
Ender's Game has the best launch scene I've had on my home theater. If I remember correctly there are 2 of them. I dont know the time stamps.
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Ender's Game has the best launch scene I've had on my home theater. If I remember correctly there are 2 of them. I dont know the time stamps.
yes! that one sounds great as well. interstellar has has a great one as well, but apollo 11 still reigns supreme. i think its because they used real footage from the launch and that just adds a little bit more to that scene
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Hey, guys... this was posted in the Ultimate Bass thread.

Follow the link below to a conversation with a bass enthusiast and real filmmixers about whether sub 20Hz content is intentional or unintentional as far as they are concerned. The thread is from 2016, but it's still certainly relevant today.

I've only quoted one post from the link but there is more conversation about it...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post...1-channel.html
Thanks for the info! Truth is, nobody hears what the producer intended unless they were sitting in the mixing room during the final mix down. No matter how finely we try to tune our systems/rooms, we are a product of our biases and ultimately our systems reflect the way we like to hear. I like a warmer sounding system and therefore, that's the way my system sounds. I like to feel deep bass moments and so will continue to use BEQ.

BTW, thanks for the Hulk recommendation, it sounded incredible!!
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Thanks for the info! Truth is, nobody hears what the producer intended unless they were sitting in the mixing room during the final mix down. No matter how finely we try to tune our systems/rooms, we are a product of our biases and ultimately our systems reflect the way we like to hear. I like a warmer sounding system and therefore, that's the way my system sounds. I like to feel deep bass moments and so will continue to use BEQ.

BTW, thanks for the Hulk recommendation, it sounded incredible!!
I've always been an EQ guy so I kind of figured this is what their answer would be and I honestly don't care how they intend us to listen to their movie mixes. I'm definitely not a purist by any means since every Android phone I buy, I first root and install Viper4Android on it since it's the best equalization system I've ever heard on a mobile device. I just can't live with the stock sound settings for music... or movies, for that matter!
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Just a clarification. The BOSS platform isn't sealed to the floor. It's just drivers in piece of plywood/MDF in an IB config. The HoverBOSS has tubes that seal said platform to the floor.
Just for clarification, I never once used the word "sealed" anywhere in my description.

..only that air pressure from driver movement controls the motion
So the same applies to whether it's configured as a "hover BOSS" or not.

...as opposed to a magnetic mechanical motor in Crowson Motion Actuators.
Can someone explain to me how the BOSS works? Are the drivers physically shaking the platform which then gets directly coupled to the sofa causing that to shake? Or is it sound pressure waves near field that a person is feeling?
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Can someone explain to me how the BOSS works? Are the drivers physically shaking the platform which then gets directly coupled to the sofa causing that to shake? Or is it sound pressure waves near field that a person is feeling?
The TR thread has all the info you could ever want about TR devices and more. Check it out.

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Edit: Just finished watching this. Pretty awesome Atmos track! The bass and TR were solid, TR could have been better in certain moments but overall it was enjoyable.

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Need some help!

So i finally took the plunge and ordered my MiniDSP2x4HD, but im a bit stuck with a few things.

Once ive put in the Xover's and Comp settings into the MiniDSP app, do i need to save the .xml file to the PC? If i sync to the device, it seems to reset everything, i.e. the Comp and xover settings all revert to default settings, is that normal??

Then after i sync, it says 'connected' in the top right corner, so do any changes i make at that point automatically sync across, and if not how do i sync, as the button is no longer there?

When i enter the Xover's the graph looks different to what is in the instructions on the first page of this thread, all i can see is the orange line, there's no grey line anymore as it appears to be under the orange line now?

And finally, once you load a file from the repository, i assume you can see the new settings in the Input PEQ?

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^^ For sure save off your base XML settings. You'll need to import it after you're done with a BEQ XML. Or just keep the base settings on Config 1, and set BEQ to a different Config and return to Config 1 when you're done.

If you don't make any changes to the Config you're on, when you reconnect to the MDSP it shouldn't prompt you to sync. At least it doesn't for me. It's only when the PC and MDSP are out of Sync you get that. I've read the manual and this isn't always clear to me. The fail safe is the previous sentence.

Once you are Synced, any changes you make on the PC sync to the MDSP. Don't forget to re-save the XML file when you're done though!

That's all I can help with at the moment.

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If this is OT please redirect me to a relevant thread

I seem to have a problem with my miniDSP the plugin and firmware are up to date
It works fine but randomly the blue light starts to flash and I cant find what that means
when I then try and connect I get a sync and update message
It is starting to getting annoying as I have had this happen quite a few times now
any suggestions appreciated?

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As a newbie it took me a while to get my head around how the miniDSP works as I didn't realise each of the four config slots are independent
As others have said you should save the changes to say config 1 and keep the file it in a separate folder
I do that and then load that file to each of the other 3 config slots so that they are all the same
My intention is to finally have config 1 as my default
config 2 with a House curve 3 as spare and use config 4 for BEQ ( either with or without merging my House Curve)
Take note if you do get a sync message turn off your subs before doing it
I get a nasty thump from my subs if I don't
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Just a quick shout out to @CallingMrBenzo and @aron7awol for the awesome job they did calibrating the subs/crowsons/mini-dsp in our HT.

As I said to them after the first demo when it was done, "The Crowsons' value to our HT just doubled!"

Thanks guys, the house is rockin' !
Agreed. Those guys are great. They did the same for me and many others.

They take a good system and optimize it to a new level. And what they do to the Crowsons is out of this world.
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I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but whenever I load beq xml into my MiniDSP 2X4HD it writes the files peq into the "INPUT" tab of the software and overwrites things such as
°INPUT/OUTPUT I use input 1 with output 1 & 3.
°OUTPUT DELAY Subs time alignment is overwritten to 0.
°OUTPUT PEQ I have to manually UN BYPASS all 10 filters to make the woofers compatible with my room modes.

I'm sure someone can point me to a solution on this problem.

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Ironic - I just watched Independence Day Resurgence over the weekend.

I guess it's considered a movie, not music - any chance of a BEQ for Slayer - The Repentless Killogy? Ouch! Just read some of the reviews - not looking very good, but it was Slayer so I bought it.

Also a BEQ request for Stargate.
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