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Your cautiousness is warranted, and I really cannot recommend applying a BEQ from a known mix onto an unknown mix. Short of using BEQ Designer to check it yourself, you can post a request in here, and I might be able to help you.

Your normal sub EQ can stay in place while using BEQ. Remember, BEQ is really only making the mix something closer to full-bandwidth. As long as your system is properly set up to handle the elite full-bandwidth flicks like The Incredible Hulk and The Hurricane Heist, to name a couple examples, then it should be able to handle BEQ just the same.
Thank you for your response!

That makes sense, I did a quick search at start of thread, looks like there are instructions to try BEQ designer at the bottom of post #4 .

I will definitely be trying that, I love experimenting!

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I can't commit to that just yet! ~340 movies is a TON to go back through. I'll probably work my way through them as they pop up in the thread, my mind, or my watch list. That's kind of what's been happening with the older style posts that I have been updating here and there in a similar fashion, while staying up to date with the new stuff as it comes out.

Speaking of which, Daredevil Season 3 needs some love from me!
Understood and no worries After all, the BEQ data is already there, the spectrum is just a visual aid

Do you have to do them all over or will opening your BEQ projects in the newest version make them "fall into place" ?

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Here's a major update:

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^^ The spectrums look awsome now, Aron. Very easy to see the difference, even though these aren’t extreme BEQ’s
And not only BEQ/noBEQ, but also between movies. Just these three last ones are very different in the spectrum.
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^^ The spectrums look awsome now, Aron. Very easy to see the difference, even though these aren’t extreme BEQ’s
And not only BEQ/noBEQ, but also between movies. Just these three last ones are very different in the spectrum.
I agree. I tweaked the aspect ratio a bit, and I'm really happy with that particular style with the 1-40 range and that marker size.
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This is an amazing thread, thanks to all who have contributed.

I want to use my iNuke DSP to do something similar, but I am struggling to understand where to enter the info.

Taking Avengers Infinity War as an example

LS 19Hz Q0.9 3.8dB x 4 (15.2dB total)

Does this mean apply a Low Shelf at 19hz with a Q rating of 0.9 and a +3.8db gain?

What I am not sure about is the iNuke can do a LS6 or an LS12, which do I use?

Also I don't understand the X4. The inuke can apply 8 filters per channel in the PEQ and 2 in the DEQ. I assume I use the PEQ and not the DEQ. But how do I do the X4? Do I set 4 of the filters on 19hz and apply 3.8 to each one?
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The inuke does not support variable Q LS filters so you would have to manually work out (through trial and error) an approximation using the available LS and PEQ filters. IIRC an LS6 in the inuke equates to a low shelf with S=1 and LS12 equates to a low shelf with S=2, I might be misremembering this though so it would be something to double check. MSO supports the inuke via its filters so one could create that filter in MSO and compare to the equivalent filter in BEQD to be sure.

if it says x4 then it means enter the same filter 4 times.
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I did hear back from the folks at miniDSP. The variable color LED obviously still isn't implemented, but it is on their to-do list. People have been asking about it on their forum since January, so it must not be a big priority.
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The inuke does not support variable Q LS filters so you would have to manually work out (through trial and error) an approximation using the available LS and PEQ filters. IIRC an LS6 in the inuke equates to a low shelf with S=1 and LS12 equates to a low shelf with S=2, I might be misremembering this though so it would be something to double check. MSO supports the inuke via its filters so one could create that filter in MSO and compare to the equivalent filter in BEQD to be sure.

if it says x4 then it means enter the same filter 4 times.
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So to be crystal clear, I would put the same filter on 4 times for Avengers Infinity war. So LS12, 19hz Q0.9, gain 3.8 and repeat three more times? Couldn't I just put a gain of 7 twice?
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I would put the same filter on 4 times for Avengers Infinity war. So LS12, 19hz Q0.9, gain 3.8 and repeat three more times?
I think you've missed my point, the inuke does not support variable Q LS filters and it also does not allow entry of filters below 20Hz. This means you will have to experiment to find out how to replicate this filter with the filters you have avaiable.

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Couldn't I just put a gain of 7 twice?
probably the FAQ posts in the thread need an explanation for this one, simple answer is the total filter shape will change if you do that.
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I think you've missed my point, the inuke does not support variable Q LS filters and it also does not allow entry of filters below 20Hz. This means you will have to experiment to find out how to replicate this filter with the filters you have avaiable.


probably the FAQ posts in the thread need an explanation for this one, simple answer is the total filter shape will change if you do that.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I may just be better buying a used MiniDSP if I see one come up.
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Hey brother Aron did Goosebumps(Atmos) ever receive your magic BEQ touch? I can't find it anywhere if it did and a search didn't turn up anything.

If it hasn't I would like to formally request it please. TIA.
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Is the normal MiniDSP 2x4 okay for my situation running dual subs only? Does the power output important in my small room to go with the HD version?
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PEQ Filter Question

First off, many thanks to aron7awol, PioManiac, 3ll3d00d for making this thread one of the best on AVSforum. Really appreciate the time and effort the 3 of you put into helping everyone with Bass EQ.

I have not visited this thread for a while and recently noticed on some movies, there is a final filter with a type of PEQ. Sorry if this seem obvious, but I can't figure out how to add this last filter using the 2x4 HD plug-in. I do not see PEQ in the filter type dropdown.

Also, any chance of getting the BEQ for "3:10 to Yuma"?

Thanks again!


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I added to the BEQ FAQ with the question about smaller filters. Can anyone think of any other FAQs I've answered in the past and should add to it?

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The BEQ FAQ

1. Is BEQ dangerous?

I totally understand the fear of asking a sub to do too much and blowing it up. I also understand people thinking, "OMGZ, 20-30dB boost down into the teens and single digits! My sub is now a smoke machine!" Those boosts do look really scary, without the proper context.

I think the important thing is not to look at it like we're boosting our subs by 20-30dB. We're really not. We're boosting super-low level content within the mix by 20-30dB to bring it back up to normal levels that exist in content that is readily available and played on those same subs every day without batting an eye. That goes for huge subs, tiny subs, ported subs, sealed subs, subs of all shapes and sizes. Even the guy with the 10" sub should be able to BEQ without any fear of breaking his sub. Granted, he won't get much benefit if his sub only digs down to 25Hz, and that might be a reason for him not to bother with BEQ, but danger should not be.

Now, all that being said, if you do something ignorant/stupid/forgetful and leave the shelves enabled and play War of the Worlds, that's another story. But that's not any more irresponsible than running your 10" sub 20dB hot with a house curve and no HPF. Any full-bandwidth content will be doing the same kind of damage at that point. So for the newbies, tread carefully, study up, read the FAQ that doesn't exist yet, make sure you know what you're doing, and then there's nothing to be afraid of. Jump in with two feet. The water's warm. Actually, it's blistering hot, because if you're reading this thread, that's how you like your bass!

2. Why do you use multiple small filters instead of one big one?

The reason for using multiple smaller filters is twofold:
1. You can achieve a steeper slope with lower Q, and thus less overshoot.
2. A lower frequency, a higher Q, and a higher gain will all push the biquad coefficients closer to the limitations of their precision. Using multiple smaller filters will help with a lower Q and lower gain, giving those biquad coefficients more "headroom" as far as their precision limitations. This can be especially important with the MiniDSP 2x4HD, because it uses 96kHz sample rate which eats into that headroom. Running into the precision limitations would manifest itself as "error" in the implementation of the filters in the DSP. In other words, the actual result of the filter would differ from the expected result.
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First off, many thanks to aron7awol, PioManiac, 3ll3d00d for making this thread one of the best on AVSforum. Really appreciate the time and effort the 3 of you put into helping everyone with Bass EQ.

I have not visited this thread for a while and recently noticed on some movies, there is a final filter with a type of PEQ. Sorry if this seem obvious, but I can't figure out how to add this last filter using the 2x4 HD plug-in. I do not see PEQ in the filter type dropdown.

Also, any chance of getting the BEQ for "3:10 to Yuma"?

Thanks again!


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When Aron puts PEQ = Peak Filter
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Is the normal MiniDSP 2x4 okay for my situation running dual subs only? Does the power output important in my small room to go with the HD version?
If you are buying one, I think it's worth the extra money for the HD version.

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I have not visited this thread for a while and recently noticed on some movies, there is a final filter with a type of PEQ. Sorry if this seem obvious, but I can't figure out how to add this last filter using the 2x4 HD plug-in. I do not see PEQ in the filter type dropdown.

Also, any chance of getting the BEQ for "3:10 to Yuma"?
The PEQ is a Peak EQ filter. You should see Peak in your list.

FYI, if you see a last small filter like that, it will either be a LS or a Peak, but in either case, it is to counter the overshoot of the other LS filters with higher Q. I use a LS if I have the headroom to do so, otherwise I use a Peak.

I'm pretty sure I did a BEQ for 3:10 to Yuma, but I'm not seeing one, so I'll have to do one tonight along with Goosebumps.

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When Aron puts PEQ = Peak Filter

Thanks to both you and aron7awol for the quick response! Appreciate it.

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Is the normal MiniDSP 2x4 okay for my situation running dual subs only? Does the power output important in my small room to go with the HD version?
Both models are 2 inputs x 4 outputs ....so the number of Subs (or sub power) is no different.
The HD model has a boat load of features, options, twice as many filters, compatible with other devices via IR and USB, But perhaps more importantly ...
10x the processing power (96kHz sample rate) So it's much less likely to experience distortion or clipping.

I had the regular 2x4 first but sold it and upgraded to the HD model before I even loaded my first BEQ.

If you already have a 2x4, you are certainly free to try it out.
But like Aron said, if you are buying new now, spend the extra $90 and never second guess.
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Updated...has anyone else tried this one yet?!? It is EPIC!

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If you want to feel the flak like a real man, this BEQ is for you.
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also user selection of the time vs freq tradeoff & some traditional spectrogram rendering options too

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I added to the BEQ FAQ with the question about smaller filters. Can anyone think of any other FAQs I've answered in the past and should add to it?

Maybe this

Like: what is the PEQ and what does it do?

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The PEQ is a Peak EQ filter. You should see Peak in your list.

FYI, if you see a last small filter like that, it will either be a LS or a Peak, but in either case, it is to counter the overshoot of the other LS filters with higher Q. I use a LS if I have the headroom to do so, otherwise I use a Peak.

I'm pretty sure I did a BEQ for 3:10 to Yuma, but I'm not seeing one, so I'll have to do one tonight along with Goosebumps.
And maybe a note about the "antiboomy" filter like on AB.

The HPF filter if the house shakes mentioned earlier.
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