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Source?

I can't find anything listed for this under Bluray or 4K/UHD




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@PioManiac You may have missed The Mummy (1999) when you did your last update of the first post, probably because there already was the new movie The Mummy (2017) on there.
FYI,

I've been posting the Date the Title was actually released on Disc, not the Movie's Theatrical release date (like you've been posting)
Both versions of the Mummy (Tom Cruise and Brandon Fraser) in 4K/UHD were released on the same date, Sept.12 2017. (Coincidence?)
So there's two of them that once appeared the same until you open them. (Fixed now by labeling one with Tom Cruise)




The reason the BD/UHD release Date is more significant (IMHO)
is because sometimes the same movie has 4 different disc issue/re-issue dates.

If someone wants to apply BEQ settings to a movie that was released on several discs over several years
The Date of the Theatrical release wont tell them which disc you based your settings on.

Some movies get re-mastered multiple times (The Fifth Element comes to mind)
So unless you are very specific as to what your source is, I'm often left scouring bluray.com to find one "I think" matches your BEQ/Graph
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Germany , Region B ?



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Do you have the latest version? I think the color scheme update came with a newer version.
That is correct, just grab the latest is my advice, old versions definitely not supported
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FYI,

I've been posting the Date the Title was actually released on Disc, not the Movie's Theatrical release date (like you've been posting)
Both versions of the Mummy (Tom Cruise and Brandon Fraser) in 4K/UHD were released on the same date, Sept.12 2017. (Coincidence?)
So there's two of them that once appeared the same until you open them. (Fixed now by labeling one with Tom Cruise)

The reason the BD/UHD release Date is more significant (IMHO)
is because sometimes the same movie has 4 different disc issue/re-issue dates.

If someone wants to apply BEQ settings to a movie that was released on several discs over several years
The Date of the Theatrical release wont tell them which disc you based your settings on.

Some movies get re-mastered multiple times (The Fifth Element comes to mind)
So unless you are very specific as to what your source is, I'm often left scouring bluray.com to find one "I think" matches your BEQ/Graph
When I posted that, it was because I had looked in the list in the first post and only saw a single listing for The Mummy. I know you've been listing them by BD/UHD release date, and I do understand why.

I do wonder if there are any examples of movies that have been released multiple times with the same track format (e.g. DTS-HD MA 5.1) but a different mix? In the example of The Fifth Element, I think all of the releases that had the LPCM 5.1 track had the same exact track, and obviously the recent remaster in Atmos is totally new. There are quite a few movies that have had recent UHD upgrades but retained a DTS-HD MA 5.1 track, and for those my expectation is that it is the same exact track as what was on the previously released BD. Obviously, it is possible for a re-mix to occur and for them to still use the same 5.1 format, it would just seem strange to me to go through all that trouble of re-mixing without upgrading the format. I'm just curious if there are any examples of that happening that we know of?

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Do you have the latest version? I think the color scheme update came with a newer version.
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That is correct, just grab the latest is my advice, old versions definitely not supported
@3ll3d00d I'm running from source code on my Mac. I grabbed the zip for the latest release last night. Does one of the libraries need to be updated for the coloring? I had to update qtawesome last night for the font change but didn't run into any other dependency exceptions while running it.

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I've been posting the Date the Title was actually released on Disc, not the Movie's Theatrical release date (like you've been posting)
Both versions of the Mummy (Tom Cruise and Brandon Fraser) in 4K/UHD were released on the same date, Sept.12 2017. (Coincidence?)
So there's two of them that once appeared the same until you open them. (Fixed now by labeling one with Tom Cruise)
Instead of labeling it with (Top Cruise version) I'd suggest listing them as "The Mummy (1999)" and "The Mummy (2017)". That's how most services list them when there's ambiguity as to which version it might be. The mummy is easy since it has Tom Cruise but other remakes/duplicate titles might not have someone as recognizable for when someone is skimming the list.
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@3ll3d00d I'm running from source code on my Mac. I grabbed the zip for the latest release last night. Does one of the libraries need to be updated for the coloring? I had to update qtawesome last night for the font change but didn't run into any other dependency exceptions while running it.
it's just a different (bundled) matplotlib colormap (inferno).

If you grab the latest (beta) version then you'll need pyqtgraph. I haven't updated anything else recently, last few things I added were

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the last one was when I added the uptodate check (0.4 maybe) and pillow is used by the report (which was 0.3.something iirc)
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Oooooo! I like this style much better as it's really clear!
I think the spectrogram looks a lot better on a super hot mix like The Mummy Returns than on a more normal mix such as Cars 3, which I just happened to have open so I'm using it as an example. It's not that it looks bad on a normal mix, it's just that it's hard to pick out the peaks compared to the scatter chart. The benefit to the scatter chart is that it really highlights the peaks, and it also renders and saves much more quickly. Of course, there's always a balance, and this case is no different, where you're choosing between highlighting the peaks more and having more time resolution. The ellipse marker was kind of my "holy grail" as far as not losing the highlighted peaks but gaining more time resolution than we had with the circle markers. The markers on the scatter plot do overlap, but that's exactly why we sort by level and make the louder peaks overlap the softer peaks. @3ll3d00d and I spent a lot of time going back and forth on marker types and the tradeoffs of each, and I'm sure he spent way more time than he wanted to on the peak spectrums because of it. In most cases I prefer the ellipse scatter, in some I prefer the circle scatter, and in some I prefer the spectrogram. In the interest of just moving ahead and getting back to BEQing en masse, once he worked out the implementation of the ellipse, I went ahead using it as the standard. I'd prefer not to open the can of worms again of peak spectrum styles, because I think there is so much subjectivity and just personal preference, and like I said, it really varies depending on the mix.

Here's the Cars 3 example. I'd recommend opening each image in a tab and clicking back and forth to compare. On the spectrogram it's really hard to see what level the peaks get to, but on the scatter it's clear. That's really what makes me prefer it by a lot on most mixes.



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More info here https://github.com/3ll3d00d/beqdesigner/issues/124

As noted in that thread, and mostly echoing @aron7awol 's comments, the intent of this view is to highlight the peaks so you can quickly zone in on the big hitting scenes. I think it does this v well and the use of an ellipse helps to make this work nicely regardless of screen size/aspect ratio.

The approach breaks down when the dynamic range is low though so in that case you want the sort of view given by a mesh/contour which gives a higher resolution feel.
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So I'm guessing the markers on the left are calculated by splitting the length of the file by whatever number, but I'm thinking wouldn't it be better to have them every, say 20 minutes instead? Would make it easier to guess timestamps inbetween the markers, right?
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So I'm guessing the markers on the left are calculated by splitting the length of the file by whatever number, but I'm thinking wouldn't it be better to have them every, say 20 minutes instead? Would make it easier to guess timestamps inbetween the markers, right?
The only thing to consider is that they dynamically adjust to the content, so if you zoom in to the point where the whole graph is only a few minutes, you need more granular labels than 20 minutes or whatever would make sense for a full-length film. Not disagreeing with your point that a more regular unit would be helpful, just pointing out that sometimes the implementation isn't quite as simple as the thought

I would prefer to have at least twice as many labels than are currently shown, and if there's a reasonable implementation of more round numbers in the spacing like you are suggesting, that would be a nice bonus as well.
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Was on the list, but somehow got off it again post 769 .


Yea there have been a few times I thought my mind was playing tricks on me because I would have sworn I saw a few corrections posted but couldn't find them when I looked for them. I searched the first page and used the search tool on them all but still may have missed some so please disregard any repeats on my list.

Also thanks to the BEQ master for already banging a few out.
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Tick positioning is covered by https://github.com/3ll3d00d/beqdesigner/issues/24 but tbh this is not something I expect to spend much time on, there is an rc param that influences this (https://matplotlib.org/gallery/ticks...uto_ticks.html) however the time view is already nicely rounded as it is choosing a tick every 1000s (aka 16mins 40s). People wanted to see this in hh:mm:ss format though hence why it now seems "messy"
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Is it a big deal that I can't use a Q of 1.1 or 1.2. The mini dsp will usually round it up so 1 leave it at 1. I can use a Q of .9 with no problems. Mabey I should upgrade to a HD...
I noticed today that even though the box where you change the values rounds up from 1.1 to 2 when changing from EQ1 to EQ2 etc. The graph above does not change. If I Change the value in the box from 2 to 1.9 the graph changes drastically like it should. How do I know what to trust or what is it actually doing?

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I've been following this thread for a while and it has provided good insight on a question I have been asking myself since starting this Diy-audio hobby:

Why do movies still sound so anemic? I know that my two 15" Ultimaxes in sealed boxes (driven by Crown XLS1502) are nothing extreme but I just feel like the sound lacks weight. On some movies this problem does not exist (BR2049, Mad Max Fury Road). While reading this thread I feel like I was on to something. Most of the movies are released with sound heavily rolled off under 20hz No wonder the sound lacks oomph.

So thanks guys on the work you have done on subject. Now I'm gonna buy MiniDSP HD and a remote, which brings me to my question. I read that Nalleh was using MiniDSP Remote's 4 presets as different BEQ-settings. Which settings would you guys recommend if you were to set presets? I was thinking something like this:

1. Off, no low self boost
2. LS starting boost at 25hz and below
3. LS starting boost at 20hz and below
4. LS starting boost at 15hz and below

I usually dont listen that loud, -30 to -20 at loudest on AVR (Denon X3400H), so there should not be huge risks of breaking drivers or clipping amps with boosts. How much boost would you guys use on presets? I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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I noticed today that even though the box where you change the values rounds up from 1.1 to 2 when changing from EQ1 to EQ2 etc. The graph above does not change. If I Change the value in the box from 2 to 1.9 the graph changes drastically like it should. How do I know what to trust or what is it actually doing?
If I'm understanding your issue correctly, it allows you to change Q by 0.1 at a time until you reach 1, after which it only lets you increment it by 1.0?

It sounds like your best bet would be to paste biquads directly rather than use the interface to define the filters:
https://www.minidsp.com/applications...ad-programming

You can download the biquad spreadsheet from that page I linked.
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I've been following this thread for a while and it has provided good insight on a question I have been asking myself since starting this Diy-audio hobby:

Why do movies still sound so anemic? I know that my two 15" Ultimaxes in sealed boxes (driven by Crown XLS1502) are nothing extreme but I just feel like the sound lacks weight. On some movies this problem does not exist (BR2049, Mad Max Fury Road). While reading this thread I feel like I was on to something. Most of the movies are released with sound heavily rolled off under 20hz No wonder the sound lacks oomph.

So thanks guys on the work you have done on subject. Now I'm gonna buy MiniDSP HD and a remote, which brings me to my question. I read that Nalleh was using MiniDSP Remote's 4 presets as different BEQ-settings. Which settings would you guys recommend if you were to set presets? I was thinking something like this:

1. Off, no low self boost
2. LS starting boost at 25hz and below
3. LS starting boost at 20hz and below
4. LS starting boost at 15hz and below

I usually dont listen that loud, -30 to -20 at loudest on AVR (Denon X3400H), so there should not be huge risks of breaking drivers or clipping amps with boosts. How much boost would you guys use on presets? I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Have you taken sweeps and achieved a flat response and/or house curve if desired? If not, that should be step 1 before you start setting up those presets. With sealed subs, their natural rolloff may need some boost just to achieve a flat response, depending on your room.
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Have you taken sweeps and achieved a flat response and/or house curve if desired? If not, that should be step 1 before you start setting up those presets. With sealed subs, their natural rolloff may need some boost just to achieve a flat response, depending on your room.
I forgot to mention the whole measurement side of things.

Yes, I have measured subs and equalized them with Audyssey. They measure flat to 10hz. I have massive room gain because of the house, a concrete apartment building. I have not used any boosts to achieve the response. Just some negative minor tweaks with MultEq app after Audyssey calibration.

I have not set an actual house curve, as far as I understand them. The subs are 2-3dB hot compared to main speakers. Is it possible to even set a house curve with my current equipment? I only have MultEq app for the job.
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If I'm understanding your issue correctly, it allows you to change Q by 0.1 at a time until you reach 1, after which it only lets you increment it by 1.0?

It sounds like your best bet would be to paste biquads directly rather than use the interface to define the filters:
https://www.minidsp.com/applications...ad-programming

You can download the biquad spreadsheet from that page I linked.
No, I can input the values by 0.1 after 1. What happens is when I switch to input another eq the Q changes from 1.1 to 2 but the graph does not change.

I will look at the biquad calculator you linked also.
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Today i watched Atomic Blonde and Black Panther.

I had seen AT when it came out, found it very boomy and anemic in the LFE department, and wasn’t to impressed with the movie as a whole.
Now though, with a 5dB MV boost and BEQ, holy moly what can i say? It is such a transformation it is mindbogling. It’s like the original track is listening to a soundbar with no sub. BEQ gives it so much more heft and substance to everything, from gun shots, fight scenes, music and using the optional boomy filter removes the peaky sounding music and instead sounds very well balanced and actually makes it one of my favourite tracks now, and i enjoyed the movie immensly more this time.

BP was the surprise of the year. I had read some bad rewievs and went in with low expectations, and was very pleasantly surprised. With a 8dB MV boost and BEQ, i loved both the movie and sound. It had a very cool Atmos track and this one went down into the woobly area of ULF, it was awesome. A very creative and good use of LFE/ULF. A loot of cool fights, action, explosions, the mag-lev fight at the end, and well placed ULF sound made it a blast to watch.

But again, if there ever is a poster child for BEQ, it is Atomic Blonde

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My wife begins to hate when I watch movie at night. She said it sounds like thunder in our master bed downstairs on the opposite side of the house (at least 40ft away) I was only listening at my norm -15mv level with +8 bass hot. Aron is to blame . I don’t think I can beq at night
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My wife begins to hate when I watch movie at night. She said it sounds like thunder in our master bed downstairs on the opposite side of the house (at least 40ft away) I was only listening at my norm -15mv level with +8 bass hot. Aron is to blame . I don’t think I can beq at night
I'm under the master bedroom, if my wife is sleeping I would have to turn off the 8 12s and 4 um18s and then also turn sub gain down significantly on the AVR to avoid disruption. The problem being her being bounced on the gel foam mattress.

In your wifes case where you have 40ft and perhaps less direct tactility maybe get her some earplugs if shes willing?
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No, I can input the values by 0.1 after 1. What happens is when I switch to input another eq the Q changes from 1.1 to 2 but the graph does not change.

I will look at the biquad calculator you linked also.
Gotcha. It seems somewhat promising that the graph appears to be accurate, but given that's just a GUI element I wouldn't trust it without actual testing to confirm it's working as you expect. Short of that, using the biquad spreadsheet (or biquad export capabilities of BEQ Designer) is the only known safe solution for you with you current equipment. Personally, I'd buy the 2x4 HD as soon as you can and get its other benefits at the same time.
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My wife begins to hate when I watch movie at night. She said it sounds like thunder in our master bed downstairs on the opposite side of the house (at least 40ft away) I was only listening at my norm -15mv level with +8 bass hot. Aron is to blame . I don’t think I can beq at night


@tvuong - I feel your pain man, at least I used too!

When I had my system downstairs in the living room, unfortunately our master bedroom was right over the top of it on the 2nd floor. I couldn't listen over -30mv or so at night and sometimes couldn't even get away with that, depending on just how bass heavy the mix was. On something like TIH, Helboy II or Underworld Awakening , no way was was it gonna fly with the sub trims where I like them and probably a lot of the movies now with BEQ's that give TIH like results (there are a bunch of them now). But that said, on most normal bass content and Crowson MAs I could get away with it and was still pretty fun.

Now I'm upstairs over the garage on the opposite side of the house (probably 15-20 yards away from the master bedroom) and am amazed at what I can get away with. Bass is weird in the directions and the ways it can travel. I've only had one complaint so far after months (was last week I think), but she was sick and was not sleeping well at all, plus it's getting cold at night now with winter coming on so we didn't have the ceiling fan or anything on which helps block out some of the sound. It can still be heard but not too bad and she and 7 year old seem to always sleep right through it. All but this one time at least for my wife. I'm truly grateful for this because this is when I watch a lot of movies. Now at night, I can't just blast it or probably not even do -15mv with subs 8db hot like you said you were at (on most films with BEQ anyway), but my normal MV is -20mv with subs about 8-10db hot and all is good, even with BEQ. Although the night that she complained I was at -17.5mv and didn't realize it. I'm VERY grateful for -20mv at night and really don't know how in the heck it doesn't wake the girls, especially on stuff like JW:FK BEQ'd etc. Just at these levels it sounds pretty loud in room and feels like the bass is just hammering and shaking the hell of stuff, including me most of the time. Puts a smile on my face and it's still way fun at these levels with the VNFs and MAs/BKs. Not as fun as -12 to -10mv, but still pretty darn good movie and bass fun.

So what I'm getting at here (and you may not want to hear it lol), try lowering the MV's to around -20mv or so and get some Crowson MA's. I know you're on a suspended floor, as am I (and aron7awol is as well), and you might not think you need them, but they will help you tremendously in thinking your getting a lot more bass than you actually are. The TR feels just like subs and can trick you. In fact you can probably even turn your subs down a bit and fell like your getting way more with the combo of the two even at lower listening levels. Win Win for everyone at night!

So there is that and that might work just great on its own for your nighttime movie watching to not disrupt the wife as much and still be fun.

But to take it one step further, I know you got fv15hp's in each corner with b1200 MBM's stacked on top of them (or did anyway) and were quite happy.

But at night, you may consider getting another fv15hp and put it right behind your seat if your can fit it, in addition to your others for late night viewing. Brings a lot more impact and TR at lower levels with driver this close behind you (I know you know this though form the MBM thread and messing with this stuff).

If you have room for this, maybe have two different cals (the Audyssey MultiEQ Editors App makes this way easy if you have an AVR that supports it). One with your normal daytime setup with no Full range VNF behind you (unless you like it in the mix and what it does even at higher MV levels) and then one cal with the VNF in the mix with the other Farfield subs lower. Or even the VNF only by itself even though it probably wont be as full sounding as all of them together. Might even have less bass travel downstairs with it being more in the middle of the room instead of in a corner.

Then last but not least, maybe a fan or something that makes a bit of (soothing noise lol) if she's up for that at night to help drowned out some of the bass noise. This might be more difficult in the winter though if its a fan.

So anyway, might work for you! I known all of this sure works great for me at night and is still way fun even at moderate levels of -20mv and everyone is happy yes my room is in a way better location for this now than when my setup was in the living room and that helps a lot. But you might be able to get away with -20mv as well and still have it feel just as powerful with the addition of MAs and or VNF.

That said though, I know VNF subs and MAs aren't for everyone, but they should be if you like bass and TR hahahaha!

Anyway, hope some of this can help with the nighttime movie watching. Or feel free to totally disregard all that I said, it wont hurt my feelings lol

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^^ WOW, 11 filters/bands !! Starting to get real up in here

Actually not that bad down to 20hz as is, but then it really plummets.

Will be exciting for sure

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BEQ The Meg (2018) Amazon DD+

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This was by far the most challenging BEQ yet. It was almost impossible to get the shelves to be the right shape for the mix, and as a result I had to use 3 different PEQs to get it close to perfect.

You might look at the total boost of 38dB(!) and think at that point we must just be boosting noise, but here's the strength of the peak spectrum graph. You can see that's all real content down there that matches up with all of the bass hits, and that's why I just kept digging until I could unlock it. I spent a TON of time on this one but it looks like it will be worth it!
Hopefully, you won't have to do as much work on the Atmos version of The Meg when it becomes available.
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Hopefully, you won't have to do as much work on the Atmos version of The Meg when it becomes available.
Going to try this 1 more time since I now have the correct movie. I'm going to give it a watch tomorrow night.



Watched this movie last night at MV -8 and thought there were a few decent scenes with bass but the movie itself was not very good. I'll probably order a miniDSP HD soon to join the fun.
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Well I got my hands on the Minidsp 2x4HD today and installed in place of my 2x4 Balanced. After opening my last round of sub measurements and converting my EQ file to the proper 96k format for the HD I was up and running in no time. Right off the bat I can tell a substantial difference in the SQ and received a solid increase in bass/ULF power for my efforts. Then I loaded the first BEQ and things got serious.

Lets just say BEQ through the HD is on a completely different playing field from the Balanced 2x4 and easily on par with if not better than using JRiver for BEQ with the Balanced in the chain for sub eq alone. I'll post more tomorrow once I've been through more content and also tested BEQ through JRiver using the HD for sub Eq, but there is no way I could ever go back. The sound quality difference alone of the bass would never allow that and with the almost unexplainable difference in BEQ with the HD I'd go as far as withdrawing the Balanced 2x4 completely for even sub eq and especially for BEQ. Using the HD will give me the best of all worlds and allow keeping the bitstream intact but have the same or better quality BEQ than JRiver. Finally no more compromise just amazing BEQ glory.


I'm honestly in shock and have never heard my system in its current form sound this good. Not only does the bass sound better it's better integrated which has increased the sound quality of the system top to bottom. Even using the exact same settings all the way down to the delay settings has yielded more powerful midbass and intensely stronger ULF at the MLP. There is no way to really explain how much different the HD and non-HD units are without using them, no better yet HEARing them yourself.


Expect more impressions but suffice to say this bitch isn't goin' anywhere and is the best addition I made other than acoustic treatments.

Beyond highly recommended, and for anyone looking to get into BEQ, skip the Balanced and go straight for an HD model. If you have a Balanced unit sell it and buy an HD. I wish I hadn't already had my Balanced and had gone for the HD a long time ago.
It really is game changingly better!


BTW Anon was my first full movie with the HD and it is loaded full of ULF with BEQ. I enjoyed the movie quite a bit too.

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Wow @biga6761 the Minidsp 2x4HD is that much better than the miniDSP Balanced 2x4? Well that is it, you convince me...i'm going to get rid of my miniDSP Balanced 2x4 and buy the Minidsp 2x4HD. That also give me a change to try out the miniDSP IR remote.

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