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I guess that might be why Chris Columbus wasn't happy with the visuals and said they were rushed.
It's probably because he was expecting India and got North America!

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Perhaps @MKtheater can test this one since his system seems to check all the boxes on capabilities, running his bass really hot, and room treatments that allow him to listen at reference. In this particular mix, I really think it just comes down to the 40Hz+ part of the track is just really loud, and it puts a cap on how loud one can watch it comfortably, and if one turns it down below their "normal" the <40Hz range ends up lower than normal. I'll post some graphs below to illustrate.

Thanks for the compliment! I have been testing speakers for the best at reference experience I can find(meaning where Interstellar is not harsh). I can watch all movies at reference but I have treated my room extensively. I even have 9 panels on the ceiling and all my walls are sound board with fabric to begin with.
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Thanks for the compliment! I have been testing speakers for the best at reference experience I can find(meaning where Interstellar is not harsh). I can watch all movies at reference but I have treated my room extensively. I even have 9 panels on the ceiling and all my walls are sound board with fabric to begin with.
First of all, it's pretty incredible that with any combination of speakers and room treatments you are able to watch Interstellar at reference!

I assume there's still a large loudness difference between films. Do you still watch everything at exactly reference or do you adjust from film to film a bit?

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First of all, it's pretty incredible that with any combination of speakers and room treatments you are able to watch Interstellar at reference!

I assume there's still a large loudness difference between films. Do you still watch everything at exactly reference or do you adjust from film to film a bit?
I watch all movies at reference. I use Interstellar as a guide for my speaker building because it is so loud and I run the rocket launch scene and make sure I can hear all the detail in the vocals while the bass is thumping. Yes, it is very loud but never harsh. Now, too loud still can be a problem but it still can sound good. The Dark Night rises is another loud movie. I still prefer movies which are recorded lower but with the same peak as that dynamic range is awesome. Oblivion and the first Star Trek come to mind. JUst watch the beginning and the scores get very loud but the vocals are nice.
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I watch all movies at reference. I use Interstellar as a guide for my speaker building because it is so loud and I run the rocket launch scene and make sure I can hear all the detail in the vocals while the bass is thumping. Yes, it is very loud but never harsh. Now, too loud still can be a problem but it still can sound good. The Dark Night rises is another loud movie. I still prefer movies which are recorded lower but with the same peak as that dynamic range is awesome. Oblivion and the first Star Trek come to mind. JUst watch the beginning and the scores get very loud but the vocals are nice.
There must still be a huge difference between Interstellar and Black Panther, for example. I watched Black Panther at "reference" on my system.
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I watch all movies at reference. I use Interstellar as a guide for my speaker building because it is so loud and I run the rocket launch scene and make sure I can hear all the detail in the vocals while the bass is thumping. Yes, it is very loud but never harsh. Now, too loud still can be a problem but it still can sound good. The Dark Night rises is another loud movie. I still prefer movies which are recorded lower but with the same peak as that dynamic range is awesome. Oblivion and the first Star Trek come to mind. JUst watch the beginning and the scores get very loud but the vocals are nice.

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I've been away from movies for a bit but I finally got to catch Solo this weekend with the BEQ of course. I was going in not expecting much sound wise but I was overall very impressed. It was a very enjoyable track and I'm guessing the BEQ added a lot.

There's a large explosion near the start and it was the best ULF I've felt on my system for a long time. I don't get a lot of ULF outside my Crowson's in most content due to my env (large room, concrete, single sub) and setup but that scene was pretty wicked.

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Yes, Black Panther never got loud, it sound nice being comfortable at reference but it never had dynamic peaks. I prefer the lower recordings so anything loud in the movie would scare the crap out of you, BUT, this did not do that. That list of hot movies makes perfect sense, if the mixers can make the low level movies have big dynamic peaks they would be reference tracks IMHO. The Incredible Hulk was always a loud movie to turn down a bit but not with soft dome arrays!

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Kidding aside, if you ever come to my room you would understand. I owned speakers at one time that were used in a speaker shootout at an AVser HT and they placed dead last. They were not listenable being much too harsh well below reference. I bought them and set them up in my room and everyone said how good they sound and only a little too loud on loud demos. The room makes a huge difference.
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Hey, Aron!

Any hopes on getting that bottom end of this movie up like a lot of other BEQs you've done?

Just wondering if you can make this a ULF beast like some others to get me interested in giving this movie a second chance!

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Hey, Aron!

Any hopes on getting that bottom end of this movie up like a lot of other BEQs you've done?

Just wondering if you can make this a ULF beast like some others to get me interested in giving this movie a second chance!
I'll give it another look. Haven't seen the peak spectrum so might be able to do a little more with that as my guide.
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Do we have Logan on the BEQ list please?


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If you want to view a movie where you don't have to guess if there's a difference with BEQ, try Atomic Blonde!

Great call Fist, no mistaking the BEQ on Atomic Blonde, and I have another addition to that list. After a fresh spin with BEQ, Terminator Genisys is a totally different expierence. The Atmos track was always solid and gave a great bass pounding but BEQ brings out GOBS & GOBS of ULF that is barely even perceptible without. I for one love this flick and have watched it many times so to say I'm familiar with the track would probably be an understatement, so believe me when I say this one is another world all together with BEQ. I would even go as far as adding Genisys to the top 5, maybe even top 3, MOST IMPROVED with BEQ.

In looking at the graph it also appears Aron used a little bit of a light touch with Genisys and there may even be a tiny bit more below 20hz. Maybe if you get around to it after your current work on track levels, you could take another run at it and see if anything else shakes loose? Maybe the current BEQ has all there is to offer, but it just seemed Genisys got seen to in the early days of you sculpting your current process and thinking so there could be a little left just maybe.


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^^^ Congrats!! That's awesome on getting your speakers for the heights!!

Yeah the Harry Potter sound design is just off the charts good IMO. It's just so realistic and immersive. It's done so well through all the channels and just really brings it to life, putting you right in the middle of it as if your really experiencing it for real a lot of times

I'll watch all 7 again from start to finish again eventually, but have been revisiting some of them in areas for demo. I think the 1rst and 2nd films might actually be my favorite for overall sound and movie. They are all amazing though. But yeah the audio is so good that is does kind of outclass the visuals sometimes, at least on the 1st ones.
Thanks! I loved how they had the entire room filled with sound constantly so that it felt natural. Not just putting a random sound or two up top. I hate the "surround sound" where 99% of the sound is on the main stage and then they'll throw a random noise once in awhile behind you just so that they can say it's in surround. Basically the lazy mix.

I'm planning on watching HP2 tonight and was thinking of binging through all of them this week for my movie going entertainment. I haven't watched any of them since Deathly Hallows 2 came out of disc. So I'm really getting a fresh experience out of them.
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Reprisal dtsMA5.1 BEQ please, Aron?
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Good call bro, I watched this without BEQ and the mix was as good as John wick....
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*WARNING* This BassEQ is not for the inexperienced or the faint of heart! *WARNING*

This would never be possible without a peak spectrum to guide me. The most amazing thing to me about this mix is not only is there a TON of ULF buried wayyy down there, but despite the HUGE amount of boost, there is essentially zero ULF noise and you still see pure black where there are no bass hits.

The -2.5 MV change is REQUIRED. Without it, you will risk clipping, so just don't go without it, period, and there's really no need to try. All that being said, if you are qualified (and know your signal chain is set up properly) to run something like this, I'm sure it will be absolutely amazing!

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*WARNING* This BassEQ is not for the inexperienced or the faint of heart! *WARNING*



This would never be possible without a peak spectrum to guide me. The most amazing thing to me about this mix is not only is there a TON of ULF buried wayyy down there, but despite the HUGE amount of boost, there is essentially zero ULF noise and you still see pure black where there are no bass hits.



The -2.5 MV change is REQUIRED. Without it, you will risk clipping, so just don't go without it, period, and there's really no need to try. All that being said, if you are qualified (and know your signal chain is set up properly) to run something like this, I'm sure it will be absolutely amazing!





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If anyone is afraid and/or wants to tame that Pacific Rim 2 BEQXL a bit, just reduce that big 25Hz shelf by a few dB.
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Thumbs up Pacific Rim: Uprising is Better with Super BEQ!

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*WARNING* This BassEQ is not for the inexperienced or the faint of heart! *WARNING*

This would never be possible without a peak spectrum to guide me. The most amazing thing to me about this mix is not only is there a TON of ULF buried wayyy down there, but despite the HUGE amount of boost, there is essentially zero ULF noise and you still see pure black where there are no bass hits.

The -2.5 MV change is REQUIRED. Without it, you will risk clipping, so just don't go without it, period, and there's really no need to try. All that being said, if you are qualified (and know your signal chain is set up properly) to run something like this, I'm sure it will be absolutely amazing!
Aron,

I really appreciate your hard work on this one!

My first impressions are I can most definitely feel the ULF in my couch (my ULF meter ) and the movie is obviously more enjoyable with the weight that was missing before. However, other effects overshadow the sound where it should be. For example, when the Jaegers are shooting missiles from their shoulders, we have all kind of bass weight added; but when they are walking or running, it's absent or lessened to the point where it takes me out of my suspension of disbelief.

These huge robots should definitely SOUND exactly like they are... gigantic, but they don't really. The sound designers failed to give them the weight that the 1st movie had setup perfectly! Of course, no BEQ can change the effects of the film, but it's still sad that the scale of the Jaegers, their steps, their punches and other physical action isn't backed up with the appropriate amount of ULF/LFE weight.

But with all that being said, this movie is definitely worth giving a 2nd try with your amazing BEQ!

I just put it in this morning, going to many of the fight scenes, but I will re-watch the move in its entirety after I get off work today.
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great thread and thanks for all of the work! Couple of noob questions...
1 - most folks run their subs ~+5db hot or so. Is that OK to keep and still implement these filters?
2 - do you want your subs eq to flat or use BEQ on top of a house curve?
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great thread and thanks for all of the work! Couple of noob questions...
1 - most folks run their subs ~+5db hot or so. Is that OK to keep and still implement these filters?
2 - do you want your subs eq to flat or use BEQ on top of a house curve?
As mentioned Multiple times already, and in the FAQ on Page 1:

If your system plays Full Bandwidth movies like TIH or WOTW without clipping/distortion,
then its perfectly fine to keep your House Curve and run your subs Hot.

All BEQ does is bring filtered movies to similar Full bandwidth of the well known Bass Monsters
....by "removing limitations" on crippled titles, it doesn't surpass them by boosting anything.

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When you say "The -2.5 MV change is REQUIRED" what does that mean? Are you just saying watch the movie 2.5db quieter than normal or are you talking about setting that in my minidsp (I think there's an option for that)?

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When you say "The -2.5 MV change is REQUIRED" what does that mean? Are you just saying watch the movie 2.5db quieter than normal or are you talking about setting that in my minidsp (I think there's an option for that)?
Lower your Master Volume on your AVR by -2.5dB from your normal max listening level (YMVMV) (Your Master Volume May Vary )

Turning the miniDSP volume down would be wrong, and would only reduce your sub levels
...if that was the intention, Aron would have just made the BEQ gain settings -2.5 lower

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I'll test mule this baby in a couple hours and report this evening. The killer shiz keeps flowing! Thanks for taking the extra time on this one Aron.
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Aron,

I really appreciate your hard work on this one!

My first impressions are I can most definitely feel the ULF in my couch (my ULF meter ) and the movie is obviously more enjoyable with the weight that was missing before. However, other effects overshadow the sound where it should be. For example, when the Jaegers are shooting missiles from their shoulders, we have all kind of bass weight added; but when they are walking or running, it's absent or lessened to the point where it takes me out of my suspension of disbelief.

These huge robots should definitely SOUND exactly like they are... gigantic, but they don't really. The sound designers failed to give them the weight that the 1st movie had setup perfectly! Of course, no BEQ can change the effects of the film, but it's still sad that the scale of the Jaegers, their steps, their punches and other physical action isn't backed up with the appropriate amount of ULF/LFE weight.

But with all that being said, this movie is definitely worth giving a 2nd try with your amazing BEQ!

I just put it in this morning, going to many of the fight scenes, but I will re-watch the move in its entirety after I get off work today.
It's always really disappointing when BassEQ unlocks a bunch of great ULF effects, and then there's suddenly a HUGE event on screen and there's zero ULF content. The one that sticks out to me is The Avengers city scene where all the bad guys are flying by the camera and the ULF is incredible and then Hulk stops the huge monster and there's basically zero ULF. It's like someone suddenly turned the subs off. Nothing we can do about it, but it still sucks!

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As mentioned Multiple times already, and in the FAQ on Page 1

If your system plays Full Bandwidth movies like TIH or WOTW without clipping/distortion, its perfectly fine to keep your House Curve and run your subs Hot.

All BEQ does is bring filtered movies Up To the level of the well known Bass Monsters....it doesn't surpass them.
That said, if you are readjusting your sub trims a lot based on movies you feel lack a bit of bass you might find yourself decreasing your sub trims once you're running all movies through BEQ. I used to run my subs about +9db hot with dynamic EQ on but now I'm down to +3.
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