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post #91 of 168 Old 08-10-2018, 07:09 AM
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I could definiely fit the subs in corners like that but that doesn't block the sound waves?



But again, why aren't the HSUs having same issues and performing good?? That's whats scratching my head.


Have you thought about just going back with the Hsu’s? Why did you switch in the first place?


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I don’t believe that the issue here is the amplifier or the sub for that matter.

Last month when I ordered my Monolith 12” all of my subs favorite place was a front corner beside my TV stand, no matter if it was my BIC PL-200 II, Polk PSW505, Monolith 10”, or Monolith 12” they all loved that front corner.

My buddy has a SVS PB-2000, I took him my Monolith 12” & took his PB2K in the meantime and threw it in that front corner...nothing. Absolutely nothing. I called him and made sure he didn’t make me haul this 80lb 12” around for no reason but a giggle but he assured me it shook his room. Remember my room is 9x15 so it should be breaking drywall. It didn’t matter if I had the gain maxed out & the AVR trim at +5 w/ a master volume of 0 it wasn’t doing ****!

I ended up throwing that beast all around my room, different corners, halfway on side walls, middle of the room, anywhere there was open floor space. I pm’d mthomas as well, made a thread, etc. I received the same suggestions you have, something is not right.

After two days I totally rearranged my room, flipped the furniture, moved my seating, throw my TV & setup on the other side of the room & wallah; output! Between my placement & seating I was in a massive null bringing the output down 27dB...27dB!

My point being, every sub I’ve owned loved that one corner until the SVS PB2K didn’t, it created a bass black hole, sucking all output down the abyss. This sounds exactly what you are experiencing. It sounds like you spent more time packing & unpacking than you did trying to integrate the PB13’s. Just because your HSU’s like that front wall doesn’t mean every sub is going to. Also you didn’t even adjust the gain according to your post so I’m curious if you wanted the PB13’s to work in the first place...

You can buy every brand of subwoofer available in the world but, if you don’t find the correct placement, make sure polarity is correct, make sure there’s not phase issues, address nulls & modes, & take the time to properly adjust your system settings, you’re just wasting money whether it be shipping or purchasing them, wasting your time, etc.

It would have been much simpler & easier to find a remedy to your placement issues than packaging both of those big subwoofers. I’m not trying to upset you or sound cynical but, there’s no point in experimenting with other subs if you aren’t willing to accommodate their best placement/settings needs. Yes it is a need. If you expect tremendous output & extension, you’ll have to experiment with different gain settings, different PEQ settings, different phase settings, different phase settings, different AVR settings, & most importantly different placement.

It seems between your front wall & your seating you are experiencing nulls &/or standing waves. Even moving your seating forward or backwards 6”-1’ can fix these issues.

I’d recommend getting these running right, stop worrying about aesthetics so much for now, then once you figure out what the best setup is, go from there.

Anyway I’d be willing to help if you’d want to unpack them but, I don’t see buying a different brand would remedy your room issues.
I'm curious did you have driver movement?? I didn't...I had vibration of the drivers. Kinda odd my son has two diff brand of subs, I have HSUs...I see/hear drivers...I put my ear to the SVS's and barely any sound.
Maybe you right
Maybe somehow they don't play at all in a corner but that seems kinda odd but I'm no audio pro again you might be right....here's the thing...I moved them about 4 ft from wall as long as the cable would allow and same thing..not much bass, when I say not much I mean like drivers just vibrating like when you turn your phone from ringing to vibrate.
The last thing I wanted to do was pack these things back up, it was a PIA

I changed/adjusted every single thing on sub & avr per SVS and @mthomas47

I'm not sure what else I could do?? I would take another SVS PB13 Ultra as they offered but at this point...I'm gun shy

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I'll probably go back to HSU. I only went with SVS due to strong recommendations with them being on sale for $1400/each
Will look to add 2 subs next to couch and keep HSU VTF2s up front

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@madhuski yes I have the right cable, input from sub pre out, to the left input on sub


Anyhow, its all done!! Something was wrong with both subs, they were outlet specials so who knows?? I literally just plugged in the HSU VTF2s, the whole room shaking and AC vent in ceiling next shaking.
I definitely should've heard that minimum with PB 13s

We packed up the PB13 Ultras, I'll call SVS tomorrow to pick up.

I've decided what I will do is get 2 more HSU VTF2s and stack them. This will actually work best because I can fit the towers and VTF2s in the corner and not have to worry about the Emotiva T2s placement.

This was a total pain in the ass, but I just want to thank everybody for trying to help me. Trust me it is greatly appreciated.
I may have missed it but did you ever take any measurements to see what you were hearing? Those subs in outlet are new and I agree both of them having the same issue is unlikely. Did you spend time with SVS trying to optimize the sub settings? REW is critical to see what you are hearing IMO.

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I may have missed it but did you ever take any measurements to see what you were hearing? Those subs in outlet are new and I agree both of them having the same issue is unlikely. Did you spend time with SVS trying to optimize the sub settings? REW is critical to see what you are hearing IMO.
Yes SVS tried to help with everything...at which point he said more than likely amp issue

they offered 3 things

1. send me amp, I install on both
2. send subs back, they install on both then return back to me
3. send subs back, they will send new subs back to me same time

Drivers weren't moving much, just vibrating....barely any sound coming from them and put ear right up to driver.

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Yes SVS tried to help with everything...at which point he said more than likely amp issue

they offered 3 things

1. send me amp, I install on both
2. send subs back, they install on both then return back to me
3. send subs back, they will send new subs back to me same time

Drivers weren't moving much, just vibrating....barely any sound coming from them and put ear right up to driver.
I would have given them another shot. The PB13 have a significant advantage over the VTF-15H under 35hz which was I thought you were chasing. For example the PB13 extends to 12.5hz at 89db and at 16hz has about a 10db advantage over the HSU and 5db at 20hz, that is huge...if you are not chasing lower frequencies then go for the PSA V1811. They will be easier to integrate.
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I'm not sure what else I could do?? I would take another SVS PB13 Ultra as they offered but at this point...I'm gun shy
While I can understand your hesitation after this whole fiasco, do know that as a whole, SVS equipment is generally regarded as being VERY reliable. Their amps and drivers are very well made and most people have no issues. It does make you wonder if something happened in transit. They are very heavy, so wouldn't be surprised if a package handler dropped them. Even if no damage was evident, and they are very well packed by SVS, I suppose it's still possible. Still crazy you ended up with TWO bad amps. Also, just so you know, SVS bench tests EVERY subwoofer at their facility in Ohio before they leave, so I can just about guarantee it left their shop in working order. There's good reason they have the best warranty in the business.

Also possible: Maybe they got nailed with a power surge? Are they protected? Maybe they weren't but your other gear was? I don't know. Just spitballing ideas at this point.

Either way, I really want your selection of new subs to work out for you. I'll admit, I'm biased as I am a dealer, but that's also why I believe the brand is so good as a whole. Anyhow, do what you gotta do, but it'd be awesome if you got the problem resolved before moving on all together. Just my $0.02.
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I would have given them another shot. The PB13 have a significant advantage over the VTF-15H under 35hz which was I thought you were chasing. For example the PB13 extends to 12.5hz at 89db and at 16hz has about a 10db advantage over the HSU and 5db at 20hz, that is huge...if you are not chasing lower frequencies then go for the PSA V1811. They will be easier to integrate.
completely agree, @mthomas47 was pretty convincing I should buy these so that's why I did get them. I just don't know what else I coulda done. I want to take them up on the offer to send me another pair, but what if same thing happens (not sub issue) but some other issue say AVR that I just cant figure out??

I'll think over weekend about trying this again with new pair of PB13s
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completely agree, @mthomas47 was pretty convincing I should buy these so that's why I did get them. I just don't know what else I coulda done. I want to take them up on the offer to send me another pair, but what if same thing happens (not sub issue) but some other issue say AVR that I just cant figure out??

I'll think over weekend about trying this again with new pair of PB13s
Yep, at the outlet price those are a great buy with minimal risk if any since its SVS...

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SVS is going to test the amps, then if I wanted they will ship new set of subs. I'm going to see what happens with amp testing then go from there...
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While I can understand your hesitation after this whole fiasco, do know that as a whole, SVS equipment is generally regarded as being VERY reliable. Their amps and drivers are very well made and most people have no issues. It does make you wonder if something happened in transit. They are very heavy, so wouldn't be surprised if a package handler dropped them. Even if no damage was evident, and they are very well packed by SVS, I suppose it's still possible. Still crazy you ended up with TWO bad amps. Also, just so you know, SVS bench tests EVERY subwoofer at their facility in Ohio before they leave, so I can just about guarantee it left their shop in working order. There's good reason they have the best warranty in the business.

Also possible: Maybe they got nailed with a power surge? Are they protected? Maybe they weren't but your other gear was? I don't know. Just spitballing ideas at this point.

Either way, I really want your selection of new subs to work out for you. I'll admit, I'm biased as I am a dealer, but that's also why I believe the brand is so good as a whole. Anyhow, do what you gotta do, but it'd be awesome if you got the problem resolved before moving on all together. Just my $0.02.

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Just odd of two power amp failure.

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I would have given them another shot. The PB13 have a significant advantage over the VTF-15H under 35hz which was I thought you were chasing. For example the PB13 extends to 12.5hz at 89db and at 16hz has about a 10db advantage over the HSU and 5db at 20hz, that is huge...if you are not chasing lower frequencies then go for the PSA V1811. They will be easier to integrate.

And that from a guy (you), meaning not bias, since you own PSA.


Room interaction problem?


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I would have given them another shot. The PB13 have a significant advantage over the VTF-15H under 35hz which was I thought you were chasing. For example the PB13 extends to 12.5hz at 89db and at 16hz has about a 10db advantage over the HSU and 5db at 20hz, that is huge...if you are not chasing lower frequencies then go for the PSA V1811. They will be easier to integrate.

Not sure where you are pulling these numbers from. According to data-bass.com, the PB13-Ultra in 15Hz mode (max extension) does indeed max at 89.3dB @12.5Hz. After that the numbers don't seem to match up. The PB13 at 16Hz 105.1dB and 20Hz 109.2. The numbers for the VTF-15H MK2 1 port plugged (max extension mode) on the HSU site show 16Hz 102.3dB and 20Hz 107.1dB. So the difference is a little less than 3dB @16Hz and a tick over 2dB @20hz . At 25Hz they are about equal, then above that the HSU has a small advantage. The PB13-Ultra does dig deeper, but less than 90dB isn't a great deal of output. Bear in mind also that the PB13-Ultra is close to double the price of the VTF-15H MK2 normally. Even at the discontinued close-out price the SVS is still $368 more than the HSU right now.
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Not sure where you are pulling these numbers from. According to data-bass.com, the PB13-Ultra in 15Hz mode (max extension) does indeed max at 89.3dB @12.5Hz. After that the numbers don't seem to match up. The PB13 at 16Hz 105.1dB and 20Hz 109.2. The numbers for the VTF-15H MK2 1 port plugged (max extension mode) on the HSU site show 16Hz 102.3dB and 20Hz 107.1dB. So the difference is a little less than 3dB @16Hz and a tick over 2dB @20hz . At 25Hz they are about equal, then above that the HSU has a small advantage. The PB13-Ultra does dig deeper, but less than 90dB isn't a great deal of output. Bear in mind also that the PB13-Ultra is close to double the price of the VTF-15H MK2 normally. Even at the discontinued close-out price the SVS is still $368 more than the HSU right now.
I looked at same thing.

I was also looking at the Monolith 15 vs. HSU VTF3.....
Can you explain how the Monolith at $2600/pr based on the measurements is worth more than $800 than the VT3? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong #s ?

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Not sure where you are pulling these numbers from. According to data-bass.com, the PB13-Ultra in 15Hz mode (max extension) does indeed max at 89.3dB @12.5Hz. After that the numbers don't seem to match up. The PB13 at 16Hz 105.1dB and 20Hz 109.2. The numbers for the VTF-15H MK2 1 port plugged (max extension mode) on the HSU site show 16Hz 102.3dB and 20Hz 107.1dB. So the difference is a little less than 3dB @16Hz and a tick over 2dB @20hz . At 25Hz they are about equal, then above that the HSU has a small advantage. The PB13-Ultra does dig deeper, but less than 90dB isn't a great deal of output. Bear in mind also that the PB13-Ultra is close to double the price of the VTF-15H MK2 normally. Even at the discontinued close-out price the SVS is still $368 more than the HSU right now.
I pulled the numbers for the 15H from data-bass. While I did incorrectly pull the 2 port numbers I am not aware that the system showed on data-bass for HSU 15H is different than the one noted on their website?

Also I believe that data-bass uses 2m measurements whereas HSU numbers shown are 1m, so need to subtract 9db from their numbers, that would put the SVS back on top.
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I pulled the numbers for the 15H from data-bass. While I did incorrectly pull the 2 port numbers I am not aware that the system showed on data-bass for HSU 15H is different than the one noted on their website?

Also I believe that data-bass uses 2m measurements whereas HSU numbers shown are 1m, so need to subtract 9db from their numbers, that would put the SVS back on top.
I was looking at Monolith 15 vs. HSU VTF3
I got screwed up looking at HSU 1m measurement thinking they were on same level

Looking closer, the Mono 15 is substantially better from 12.5 to 31hz, above 31hz they on even ground

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I was looking at Monolith 15 vs. HSU VTF3
I got screwed up looking at HSU 1m measurement thinking they were on same level

Looking closer, the Mono 15 is substantially better from 12.5 to 31hz, above 31hz they on even ground
The two port numbers for the M15 are better than HSU and the SVS. You may be looking at the 3 port numbers. Even more so than the HSU. Here is the thing, the cabinet size on M15 is the largest and gives it the advantage of digging deeper. The output numbers are just one aspect when considering a sub. You may or may not like the sound signature of the Monoliths. Best thing is to try all of these subs in your room. When spending over $2k I would eat the return shipping on the M15s if they turn out to be the losers and rule out the what ifs. Think you are able to fit the Monoliths as they are more deep than wide? With SVS you have nothing to lose and have top service, the M15s won't have the same class of service so just be mindful about these aspects as well as you figure out where to go.
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The two port numbers for the M15 are better than HSU and the SVS. You may be looking at the 3 port numbers. Even more so than the HSU. Here is the thing, the cabinet size on M15 is the largest and gives it the advantage of digging deeper. The output numbers are just one aspect when considering a sub. You may or may not like the sound signature of the Monoliths. Best thing is to try all of these subs in your room. When spending over $2k I would eat the return shipping on the M15s if they turn out to be the losers and rule out the what ifs. Think you are able to fit the Monoliths as they are more deep than wide? With SVS you have nothing to lose and have top service, the M15s won't have the same class of service so just be mindful about these aspects as well as you figure out where to go.
Yes I have about 18-19(TOP) inches for width to spare...

That leaves pretty much just the HSU VTF3.5 & Mono 15s to fit the width at just under 18 inches

Althought the Rhytmik FV25 is 18 inches wide....at $2500
I would only buy one of those put up front and put the 2 HSU VTF2 by the couch

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Yes I have about 18-19(TOP) inches for width to spare...



That leaves pretty much just the HSU VTF3.5 & Mono 15s to fit the width at just under 18 inches



Althought the Rhytmik FV25 is 18 inches wide....at $2500

I would only buy one of those put up front and put the 2 HSU VTF2 by the couch



1- FV25

OR

Dual HSU VTF3.5 or Mono 15s



hmmmm

The rythmik would be insane. I am sure if you had the HSUs near field you could make it work but will require more time optimizing everything. Talk to @enricoclaudio and get his recommendation on this proposal.




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Yes I have about 18-19(TOP) inches for width to spare...

That leaves pretty much just the HSU VTF3.5 & Mono 15s to fit the width at just under 18 inches

Althought the Rhytmik FV25 is 18 inches wide....at $2500
I would only buy one of those put up front and put the 2 HSU VTF2 by the couch

1- FV25
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Dual HSU VTF3.5 or Mono 15s

hmmmm
I see no problems running a single FV25HP + 2 x HSU VTF2 in the same room. While complicated, it's not impossible. In your case could a challenge due that your receiver (Marantz SR5012) lacks SubEQ HT so to make things easier (or more complicated?) I would strongly recommend getting a miniDSP 2 x 4 HD and a calibrated mic (UMIK-1) to properly integrate the three subwoofers using REW.
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Not sure where you are pulling these numbers from. According to data-bass.com, the PB13-Ultra in 15Hz mode (max extension) does indeed max at 89.3dB @12.5Hz. After that the numbers don't seem to match up. The PB13 at 16Hz 105.1dB and 20Hz 109.2. The numbers for the VTF-15H MK2 1 port plugged (max extension mode) on the HSU site show 16Hz 102.3dB and 20Hz 107.1dB. So the difference is a little less than 3dB @16Hz and a tick over 2dB @20hz . At 25Hz they are about equal, then above that the HSU has a small advantage. The PB13-Ultra does dig deeper, but less than 90dB isn't a great deal of output. Bear in mind also that the PB13-Ultra is close to double the price of the VTF-15H MK2 normally. Even at the discontinued close-out price the SVS is still $368 more than the HSU right now.
I pulled the numbers for the 15H from data-bass. While I did incorrectly pull the 2 port numbers I am not aware that the system showed on data-bass for HSU 15H is different than the one noted on their website?

Also I believe that data-bass uses 2m measurements whereas HSU numbers shown are 1m, so need to subtract 9db from their numbers, that would put the SVS back on top.
Those numbers on data-bass.com are or the old vtf-15h, not the current model mk2. So you pulled a double whammy mistake. My post reflects the 9dB subtraction for the HSU.

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I looked at same thing.

I was also looking at the Monolith 15 vs. HSU VTF3.....
Can you explain how the Monolith at $2600/pr based on the measurements is worth more than $800 than the VT3? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong #s ?

The Monolith 15's are 2500 w/dual discount. Current price on the VTF-3 mk5 duals would be $1741 w/dual discount, so that's $759 price difference. The advantages are lower extension and lower output ability. Another key advantage the Monolith has is more port area. In max extension mode the Monolith uses two of the three ports open, while the HSU uses the larger of the two ports open. This will allow the Monolith to play with much less chance of port noise. The VTF-3 MK5 HP is known to have some port noise issues in 1 port mode. I can attest to the Monolith subs having a very clean and accurate sound. I have a pair of the Monolith 12's and they are the top 12" subs I've ever heard/owned.


As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the Monolith 15 would be more of a lateral move from the SVS PB13-Ultra. They have similar performance through nearly all of the frequency response, with the Monolith having the edge at the lowest level.
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I see no problems running a single FV25HP + 2 x HSU VTF2 in the same room. While complicated, it's not impossible. In your case could a challenge due that your receiver (Marantz SR5012) lacks SubEQ HT so to make things easier (or more complicated?) I would strongly recommend getting a miniDSP 2 x 4 HD and a calibrated mic (UMIK-1) to properly integrate the three subwoofers using REW.

@mpk1970 , I would prefer this option and then the SVS.


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Those numbers on data-bass.com are or the old vtf-15h, not the current model mk2. So you pulled a double whammy mistake. My post reflects the 9dB subtraction for the HSU.


We must be missing something as I don’t get your numbers either when subtracting the 9db. Anyways my thoughts for the OP are to go with the rythmik option first and then the SVS. Rest is up to him. Think he has been given some good options to consider.


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We must be missing something as I don’t get your numbers either when subtracting the 9db. Anyways my thoughts for the OP are to go with the rythmik option first and then the SVS. Rest is up to him. Think he has been given some good options to consider.


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Not sure where you are getting lost. You used the original model VTF-15H numbers from data-bass. Then you used the 2 port mode numbers compared to the PB13-Ultra 15hz mode. The VTF-15H MK2 is the current model. The VTF-15H hasn't been sold for several years. If you take the HSU 1 port numbers and subtract 9dB you get 2M RMS, which is what I posted.
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Will there be Labor Day sales on Subs?

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SVS will probably run a sale, but you've already been there, done that. HSU currently has the VTF-15H mk2 on sale. HSU never discounts their two 15" ported subs more than $40, so not a big savings there. The other top ID companies don't have sales very often. Outlaw might run a sale and their Ultra-X13 is sometimes $999 b-stock.
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I might consider negotiating a deal on the 2 svs subs you sent back...however if you got a monster sub like fv25hp you wont be needing to worry about subs for a long time.
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SVS will probably run a sale, but you've already been there, done that. HSU currently has the VTF-15H mk2 on sale. HSU never discounts their two 15" ported subs more than $40, so not a big savings there. The other top ID companies don't have sales very often. Outlaw might run a sale and their Ultra-X13 is sometimes $999 b-stock.
Yup, i noticed that outlaw has sales roughly 2-3 times a year

Also outlaw usually has dual x13's for $2500 ($500 savings). The X13 downfiring "may" respond better in his room.

The monoprice ultra 15's are no doubt better subs for 2500$ but they are HUGE lol . The X13 smaller footprint maybe easier to place than other similar subs.

Even though the Outlaw X13 has slightly less output than the pb13 they do have clean bass / low distortion numbers.
and like I said above may respond better in his room ..... Something to think about I suppose.

edit: I had a similar experience as the OP with my X12 (not nearly as bad though) the bass was there but it never felt like a significant upgrade to my BIC H100 . My friends Klipsch SW-112 felt like i was in another league. It took me nearly 6 month of playing with different placement options before i found "the spot". Since then i have been really happy with the X12 but i have to admit i was really disappointed in the beginning (after the honeymoon phase). Now i'm looking at getting a second X12 or jumping to a pair of VTF-3 mk5's.

Living in Canada sucks for subwoofer ID options. We only have SVS available here and they have nothing to fill the gap between the PB2000($1k CDN) and PB4000 ($2.5K CDN).
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Im very close to pulling trigger on HSUs VTF3 because I can put the HSU VTF2s behind couch..seamless integration
But I'm waiting on something very special before I do.....
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