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I don't get it either. There was aggressive sub gain used on both subs and next to zero driver movement. It wouldn't have mattered where the sub was placed in that scenario. Unless (only room correction) was applied and killed the subs,,, and having it (off) wasn't implemented, i dunno.

Only other possibility as mentioned above is if SVS needs a much higher trim but i dont recall reading that issue before.
I didnt do any room correction....
Yah I cant figure it out

I wonder if it was really an amp problem if they would admit to it? I mean, they put in new amp, repackage and sell back on outlet store again

this is like bermuda triangle stuff

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Huh. Well, I did think the odds were wildly small that TWO amps would be bad. Still, seems so strange the SVS's didn't play nice at all with your setup.

Did you ever do the subwoofer crawl I suggested before? Where you place the sub on the couch at the MLP?

Either way, it is indeed super strange you weren't at least getting much movement from the sub's cones to begin with. I wonder what kind of voltage your AVR's sub out is putting out and if perhaps your HSU and your buddy's JBLs have higher input sensitivity. Welp, at least you gave it your best. I couldn't blame you for moving on all together. Thanks for the update.
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I didnt do any room correction....
Yah I cant figure it out

I wonder if it was really an amp problem if they would admit to it? I mean, they put in new amp, repackage and sell back on outlet store again

this is like bermuda triangle stuff
With no room correction applied and aggressive sub gain, even if your trim was -10 you should have decent driver movement with reasonable MV. My old SB13 U sure had good driver movement and was a good sub, shook the house.
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I just find it odd that one sub can have such issues with the same room placement as every other sub. Even with just a low tech bass crawl from my main seating postion I am pretty certain where the best placement is in my room, I find it odd that SVS would require someone to completely re-arrange their room/seating for their subs. Strange. I am not saying I don't believe you it just seems this would be a limiting factor for SVS because most people don't have the flexibilty to rearrange their entire room for one particular brand of sub.
No I completely understand. Technically it makes absolutely no sense from what is universally agreeed upon as subwoofer science.

I too thought the sub was faulty so I took the driver out & made sure the leads weren’t disconnected which they weren’t. I took the amp out to make sure any caps or transistors weren’t corroded. Everything looked sound.

I still to this day after much reading/inquires & more experience can not for the life of me think of an explanation. It’s just what happened when I flipped it down & hooked it up.

Also I commend Mike for not getting completely discouraged & going forward with JTR’s. They should blow you away. When is the expected delivery date?

I also agree having to completely rearrange your entire room/furniture/seating is completely ridiculous to accommodate a subwoofer that you’ve not had issues with any beforehand.

As to @Montucky it’s possible there was a voltage issue, I know when I used both L&R rca inputs rather than LFE it added 6dB of overall output. Again, I have no explanation as to why but, the measurements don’t lie.
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Everything is working out for best because of the SVS problems I was able to grab the new JTR 118s
Woh. That'll rock! If the JTR doesn't do the trick, then nothing will. Haha. Let us know how it turns out once you get those puppies set up.
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OP needs some near field subs. I recently had a single PB16Ultra and wasn't impressed at all. Moved it behind my seating with a couple PB1000's in front and MASSIVE difference



either that or grab a cheap Behringer 1200d and stick in behind (or side ) your couch
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Out of curiosity, what specific AVR do you have? The bass management can certainly vary quite a bit. My Yamaha CX-A5100 did a VERY good job on that front. Anyway, depending on what you have, it could determine whether you should do your fine tuning on the receiver side or the subwoofer side. With most modern AVRs, I like to let the receiver handle all the processing, plugging into the LFE input on the sub, and leaving most things alone on the sub (leaving LPF, HPF, Room Compensation, etc. all disabled). Also with this sub, make sure you read the directions and plug the ports according to the setting on the sub's amp (Sealed, 16 Hz, 20Hz). The included instructions explain what to do there. If you're altering too many settings on the subwoofer AND the receiver, this could certainly effect what's going on. Like I said, let one side or the other handle manage the bass. Rarely both.

Also, the SVS amp has a little toggle that selects either "Hi-Level" or "Normal." Double check that too. Typically, it should be in "Normal."

In case this is more in depth than what came with your sub, check the online manual out: https://system.na1.netsuite.com/core...5c6fd&_xt=.pdf

Last but not least, have you given SVS a call? They are usually extremely helpful and can perhaps guide you along. They've always provided me with exemplary service when coming across trickier situations. Those guys know their stuff. Typically easy to get a hold of and no foreign call center. Usually the same guy picks up the phone. Haha. Great team, really. Try talking to them before returning.
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I don't get it either. There was aggressive sub gain used on both subs and next to zero driver movement. It wouldn't have mattered where the sub was placed in that scenario. Unless (only room correction) was applied and killed the subs,,, and having it (off) wasn't implemented, i dunno.

Only other possibility as mentioned above is if SVS needs a much higher trim but i dont recall reading that issue before.
Was there ANY sub gain? I honestly do not recall anything else mentioned about it except for where the OP stated, "I had the SVS volume at 0, and now calibrated to -10". I read this as the AVR's trim at -10...?? Then his response to another post in regards to gain setting was, "Never touched gain level on PB13. On AVR, I have sub adjust "Off"".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or just completely missed something, but this has been the question circling around in my head the entire time following this thread.

With that said. My question for the OP is, what did you actually have the sub gain (volume on actual subs) set to? And please don't take this as a slight, as I do understand that you mentioned that you had gotten overwhelmed/frustrated during your attempts at correcting the issue. Things like that that tend to get overlooked whenever we get flustered. Trust me, it's happened to me more times than I like to admit. Lol

Either way though, what's done is done, and from everything that I've read/heard in regards to JTR subs, the OP will be absolutely thrilled with his decision to go that route.

...I'm still curious as hell about the sub gain though.
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Was there ANY sub gain? I honestly do not recall anything else mentioned about it except for where the OP stated, "I had the SVS volume at 0, and now calibrated to -10". I read this as the AVR's trim at -10...?? Then his response to another post in regards to gain setting was, "Never touched gain level on PB13. On AVR, I have sub adjust "Off"".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or just completely missed something, but this has been the question circling around in my head the entire time following this thread.

With that said. My question for the OP is, what did you actually have the sub gain (volume on actual subs) set to? And please don't take this as a slight, as I do understand that you mentioned that you had gotten overwhelmed/frustrated during your attempts at correcting the issue. Things like that that tend to get overlooked whenever we get flustered. Trust me, it's happened to me more times than I like to admit. Lol

Either way though, what's done is done, and from everything that I've read/heard in regards to JTR subs, the OP will be absolutely thrilled with his decision to go that route.

...I'm still curious as hell about the sub gain though.
It's been a couple years since i had my svs, but from what i remember (0) was max gain. I'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm mistaken.

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It doesn't surprise me at all that both PB13's were operating fine. The PB13 amp menu can be pretty daunting for inexperienced users. There are a lot of different settings and sub-menus. This was most likely a case of user error from the sub and possibly also from the receiver. Very little output is a symptom of using the speakers set to large, but I think that was previously covered. My little PB-1000 will pound hard if I want it to. The JTR subs should be a lot more simple and easier to set up.


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Was there ANY sub gain? I honestly do not recall anything else mentioned about it except for where the OP stated, "I had the SVS volume at 0, and now calibrated to -10". I read this as the AVR's trim at -10...?? Then his response to another post in regards to gain setting was, "Never touched gain level on PB13. On AVR, I have sub adjust "Off"".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or just completely missed something, but this has been the question circling around in my head the entire time following this thread.

With that said. My question for the OP is, what did you actually have the sub gain (volume on actual subs) set to? And please don't take this as a slight, as I do understand that you mentioned that you had gotten overwhelmed/frustrated during your attempts at correcting the issue. Things like that that tend to get overlooked whenever we get flustered. Trust me, it's happened to me more times than I like to admit. Lol

Either way though, what's done is done, and from everything that I've read/heard in regards to JTR subs, the OP will be absolutely thrilled with his decision to go that route.

...I'm still curious as hell about the sub gain though.
Yes had the "trim" originally at 0 then moved it to -10, misspoke and said volume. As far as gain on the subs, I'm trying to remember exactly but I believe I tried a few different gain levels on the digital menu...I dont remember exactly what it was settled at but at one point I did have it pretty agressive. I dont exactly remember because I adjust so many things on the sub/avr that I forget all the numbers on what was adjusted.

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But...I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE JTRs 118 ARRIVE!!!



Seriously. Also, what will SVS answer? And...will the VTF3s really solve anything? I need answers!


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Yes had the "trim" originally at 0 then moved it to -10, misspoke and said volume. As far as gain on the subs, I'm trying to remember exactly but I believe I tried a few different gain levels on the digital menu...I dont remember exactly what it was settled at but at one point I did have it pretty agressive. I dont exactly remember because I adjust so many things on the sub/avr that I forget all the numbers on what was adjusted.
Okay, that's my bad...I completely misinterpreted what I had read.

I feel so much better now. Thank you! Lol

Now I can shift my curiousity to hearing your impressions of those JTR's.
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It's been a couple years since i had my svs, but from what i remember (0) was max gain. I'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm mistaken.
You're correct. I totally forgot that they go from -100 to 0.

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I also thought SVS CS would be helpful in determining what factors could play.....they never had me adjust gain, did a couple small things in AVR that I had done already, they never talked about placement...he said it should be working somewhat in any spot you put them.

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I also thought SVS CS would be helpful in determining what factors could play.....they never had me adjust gain, did a couple small things in AVR that I had done already, they never talked about placement...he said it should be working somewhat in any spot you put them.
Well, SVS suggests that you start your setup with it at -10 (models with DSP), and then adjust from there to get your trim setting in that negative DB sweet spot after calibration. My gain is set at -6, which gave me a -10 trim setting after calibration. Which I bump up 3-5db hot (-7 to -5 AVR trim). That really depends on what my source material is. I'm also using the cascading crossover settings suggested by Mike, and it sounds absolutely amazing. He was a huge help in getting me where I needed to be with mine, so I know that you were getting sound advise from him. It just sucks that y'all weren't able to figure those things out.

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I'm still baffled by it all...
Yeah. Same here. I really wish I was near OP so I could go over there myself and help him get it figured out!
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Yeah. Same here. I really wish I was near OP so I could go over there myself and help him get it figured out!
RIGHT?? I'm too curious of a person. To not know WTH is/was actually going on here is absolutely mind numbing. Lol


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