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Since I have to Return PB 13 Ultra's-- Plan B recommendations

By all indications, after all the settings changed, talking with SVS, it blows my mind that it could possibly be two bad amps in the PB13 Ultra's--seems more likely to be hit by lightning but with little driver movement there is no other possible explanation

SVS was great offered--1) to send amps and I repair 2) Send back they repair amps 3) Send brand new PB 13s in the black oak like I got

Ive decided just to send back because I just dont want to go thru everything again...I pretty much had to lift these things and move these things a lot and they are very heavy so I'm not too happy....even packing having to put on a dolly, take them to garage, repack them...

I've decided to keep the HSU VTF2s up front because I can fit both the Emotiva T2 Towers up front with speakers in the corner spaces since the VTF2s only 15 inches wide

What I'm now going to do, if you see pics below is add subs to both the left and right of couch

1. Would you suggest 2 more HSU VTFs subs?

2. I was thinking about Monolith 12" when they come back in stock too?

3. I only have two pre outs for subs and would have to run rca cable along side of walls about 15 ft both sides which inlcuded couple feet for extra slack...what is best way to do this? With a splitter?
Any recommendations on best cable splitter to use to achieve this?

4. Any other recommendations?

Thanks
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You could have kept this going in your other thread

What is the maximum width you have available in the spot where the HSU'are now located? If you have a little more room, a few subs i have looked at for you would be a big step up.

PSA V-1510, just 17" wide.
PSA S-3010, 18" wide and a pair will crush your room
HSU VTF-3MK5, 17.25" wide, big step up.

If you can accommodate 18" geez the S-3010's will do some damage and dig deep.

Edit,,,, one more at 18'W is Rythmik FV15HP.

The PB13 i believe is 21.5"W
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If I were you my vote would be for (2) V1811 subs from PSA
It's compact enough for WAF and have a sh.. load of tactile bass response https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/v1811

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If the PB13's absolutely won't work for you, this'll do the trick.
https://rbhsound.com/sv1212pr.php
I have 2 of them. I have yet to hear/feel better. Muahahahaha.
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If the PB13's absolutely won't work for you, this'll do the trick.
https://rbhsound.com/sv1212pr.php
I have 2 of them. I have yet to hear/feel better. Muahahahaha.
Seems awfully expensive compared to other ID offerings. $5,300 for a ONE dual 12" sub? Are you kidding me????

You could get dual FV25HP from Rythmik for $5,000 or Dual V3611 for $4,500. I'd steer far away from this advice...

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I don't doubt those dual 12s are good subs, but you could SAVE money and get JTR Caps, or PSA S7201s cheaper, and you'd be in an entire different tier of subwoofage.

As for actual recommendations, I think people have already given good advice.

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By all indications, after all the settings changed, talking with SVS, it blows my mind that it could possibly be two bad amps in the PB13 Ultra's--seems more likely to be hit by lightning but with little driver movement there is no other possible explanation

SVS was great offered--1) to send amps and I repair 2) Send back they repair amps 3) Send brand new PB 13s in the black oak like I got

Ive decided just to send back because I just dont want to go thru everything again...I pretty much had to lift these things and move these things a lot and they are very heavy so I'm not too happy....even packing having to put on a dolly, take them to garage, repack them...

I've decided to keep the HSU VTF2s up front because I can fit both the Emotiva T2 Towers up front with speakers in the corner spaces since the VTF2s only 15 inches wide

What I'm now going to do, if you see pics below is add subs to both the left and right of couch

1. Would you suggest 2 more HSU VTFs subs?

2. I was thinking about Monolith 12" when they come back in stock too?

3. I only have two pre outs for subs and would have to run rca cable along side of walls about 15 ft both sides which inlcuded couple feet for extra slack...what is best way to do this? With a splitter?
Any recommendations on best cable splitter to use to achieve this?

4. Any other recommendations?

Thanks
Since you are keeping the VTF-2s up front a good option is to get two more VTF-2s for the nearfield placements. I believe a better option is to get dual Monolith 12s for up front and move the VTF-2s nearfield.

I think many of the above suggestions are to replace the PB13/VTF-2. I don't recommend trying to mix sealed and ported subs or putting more capable subs nearfield with VTF-2s up front.
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If the PB13's absolutely won't work for you, this'll do the trick.
https://rbhsound.com/sv1212pr.php
I have 2 of them. I have yet to hear/feel better. Muahahahaha.
My response is always, what else have you heard/felt?

These RBH subs are monsters and were well reviewed by Audioholics/Data-bass. They are close to JTR Captivator 1400s (which is very very good!) but are double the price of Cap 2400ULFs which will outperform them.
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If I were you my vote would be for (2) V1811 subs from PSA
It's compact enough for WAF and have a sh.. load of tactile bass response https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/v1811
Two V1811’s would be the bare minimum I’d recommend for that room. Preferably with them placed nearfield. Or save a few hundred and get a V3611. With that large of a room and a budget that allows, anything less than 18” subs are a waste of time and money.
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Since you are keeping the VTF-2s up front a good option is to get two more VTF-2s for the nearfield placements. I believe a better option is to get dual Monolith 12s for up front and move the VTF-2s nearfield.

I think many of the above suggestions are to replace the PB13/VTF-2. I don't recommend trying to mix sealed and ported subs or putting more capable subs nearfield with VTF-2s up front. My response is always, what else have you heard/felt?

These RBH subs are monsters and were well reviewed by Audioholics/Data-bass. They are close to JTR Captivator 1400s (which is very very good!) but are double the price of Cap 2400ULFs which will outperform them.
I kinda like the idea of Monoliths upfront....

The other thing I was think was keeping the VTF2 up front and adding Dual VTF-3 MK5 HP for nearfield...either one(or both) directly behind couch (see pic) or one behind couch and left in corner (when looking at pic)

VTF3 MK5 will be basically same price....

Thoughts? I'm open

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Two V1811’s would be the bare minimum I’d recommend for that room. Preferably with them placed nearfield. Or save a few hundred and get a V3611. With that large of a room and a budget that allows, anything less than 18” subs are a waste of time and money.
Good suggestion also

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I kinda like the idea of Monoliths upfront....

The other thing I was think was keeping the VTF2 up front and adding Dual VTF-3 MK5 HP for nearfield...either one(or both) directly behind couch (see pic) or one behind couch and left in corner (when looking at pic)

VTF3 MK5 will be basically same price....

Thoughts? I'm open
You would want to put the weaker subs closer to the listening position. Doing it the other way really limits the output of the more powerful subs.

Since you're considering Mono 12s I would also suggest the SVS PC2000- 16" diameter cylinder and for all practical purposes it's identical in performance to the monolith.

As for your PB13Us I doubt that either had a bad amp and it's still a setup/placement issue but now we'll never know.
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You would want to put the weaker subs closer to the listening position. Doing it the other way really limits the output of the more powerful subs.

Since you're considering Mono 12s I would also suggest the SVS PC2000- 16" diameter cylinder and for all practical purposes it's identical in performance to the monolith.

As for your PB13Us I doubt that either had a bad amp and it's still a setup/placement issue but now we'll never know.
Actually we will know...SVS manger of Customer Service will let me know.
I'm really hoping it is an amp because then I'll take another pair....if not, not worth my time getting again because I'll have the same problem and too dam frustrating
I really want this to be fun not frustrating....Im not hardcore with subs, more with speakers....
I have plug & played my HSU VTF2s, My friends JBL 12s, My son's BIC, Earthquake... and the only one I can't get to work is SVS.

At this point, I think I'm done with SVS. If I had problems with 1 model type, chances are good I'll have problems with the others.

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I kinda like the idea of Monoliths upfront....

The other thing I was think was keeping the VTF2 up front and adding Dual VTF-3 MK5 HP for nearfield...either one(or both) directly behind couch (see pic) or one behind couch and left in corner (when looking at pic)

VTF3 MK5 will be basically same price....

Thoughts? I'm open
VTF-3 up front if they will fit and VTF-2 nearfield.
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Can somebody explain to me how the Monolith 15 at $2600/pr are worth $800 more than the HSU VTF3 MK5 at $1800/ pr?

All the numbers/measurements that I've seen show its pretty much a wash with maybe HSU performing better above 30hz

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You would want to put the weaker subs closer to the listening position. Doing it the other way really limits the output of the more powerful subs.

Since you're considering Mono 12s I would also suggest the SVS PC2000- 16" diameter cylinder and for all practical purposes it's identical in performance to the monolith.

As for your PB13Us I doubt that either had a bad amp and it's still a setup/placement issue but now we'll never know.
I completely agree that I believe it was a placement/setup issue. I had the exact same problem w/ a PB2K & a 27dB null!



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Actually we will know...SVS manger of Customer Service will let me know.
I'm really hoping it is an amp because then I'll take another pair....if not, not worth my time getting again because I'll have the same problem and too dam frustrating
I really want this to be fun not frustrating....Im not hardcore with subs, more with speakers....
I have plug & played my HSU VTF2s, My friends JBL 12s, My son's BIC, Earthquake... and the only one I can't get to work is SVS.

At this point, I think I'm done with SVS. If I had problems with 1 model type, chances are good I'll have problems with the others.
But...if it's not the amp (which I don't believe it was IMO) then this is hardly SVS's fault. You will have the same issue with other brands the same as the SVS's.


Personally I think you're too concerned with aesthetics rather performance. IMO you should find the subs favorite spot(s) & work the room around them. It's desperately important not to just stick the subs where they look the best.
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I completely agree that I believe it was a placement/setup issue. I had the exact same problem w/ a PB2K & a 27dB null!




But...if it's not the amp (which I don't believe it was IMO) then this is hardly SVS's fault. You will have the same issue with other brands the same as the SVS's.


Personally I think you're too concerned with aesthetics rather performance. IMO you should find the subs favorite spot(s) & work the room around them. It's desperately important not to just stick the subs where they look the best.
I hear what you are saying...but I cant rearrange my FL room trying to make a sub work and put in middle of floor or in some obscure corner or against my glass sliders that fully open up. The thing I don't understand, I had HSUs, Earthquake, Bic, and my friend brought his JBL 12s yesterday, all have worked fine up front in the exact same spot as the SVS.
Totally agree, if its placement its not the SVS fault, but then even more so SVS subs NOT for me and my room. If 4 diff brands work fine in those spots yet I get nothing from SVS, I cant worry about where I'm going to lug around 155lbs subs, where I'm going to move my furniture, etc...its just not worth it to me. I dont have flexibility in that room with how long and narrow it is.

If I order another pair of subs, put up front, and they perform like the SVS, then I'll just have to succumb to the fact that the VTF2s are the best up front and add subs L/R couch or behind.

Actually, depending what I hear back from SVS, going to go with HSU VTF3 up front and put the VTF2s behind couch or L/R couch. I can only go up to 18" up front to fit in my towers.
Looks like VTF3s perform as good as better than the Mono 15s so they worth the modest investment.

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I hear what you are saying...but I cant rearrange my FL room trying to make a sub work and put in middle of floor or in some obscure corner or against my glass sliders that fully open up. The thing I don't understand, I had HSUs, Earthquake, Bic, and my friend brought his JBL 12s yesterday, all have worked fine up front in the exact same spot as the SVS.
Totally agree, if its placement its not the SVS fault, but then even more so SVS subs NOT for me and my room. If 4 diff brands work fine in those spots yet I get nothing from SVS, I cant worry about where I'm going to lug around 155lbs subs, where I'm going to move my furniture, etc...its just not worth it to me. I dont have flexibility in that room with how long and narrow it is.

If I order another pair of subs, put up front, and they perform like the SVS, then I'll just have to succumb to the fact that the VTF2s are the best up front and add subs L/R couch or behind.

Actually, depending what I hear back from SVS, going to go with HSU VTF3 up front and put the VTF2s behind couch or L/R couch. I can only go up to 18" up front to fit in my towers.
Looks like VTF3s perform as good as better than the Mono 15s so they worth the modest investment.
No I completely understand the hesitation, the trade offs, etc.. Plus I know it's a bitch to move big heavy subs around. I have carpet in my room so it makes sliding them a bit easier but, I can see especially not wanting to scratch your floors the headache it causes. Plus you have a gorgeous room so I completely understand your aesthetic concerns.



I know it's mind bending, a sub basically a piston that moves air, they should all work in the same place but, it just doesn't work like that. I know I was totally perplexed when I encountered this issue as well..funny enough I actually said the same thing you did, my $250 BIC subwoofer would blow the SVS out of the water with both extension & output. I totally took mine apart, checked the driver, the spider, made sure the voice coil wasn't warped & rubbing, took the amp off the back & made sure all capacitors & resistors was attached & not corroded but, everything was fine. So I said the hell with it..the only advice I was getting was placement since I knew my settings were correct & the sub itself didn't appear to have any damage so I totally rearranged my room & wallah, she opened up & started shaking the walls.



I know it's frustrating, you spend $2800 & expect to not have to drag 100's of pounds all across your living area spending hours of your time for no output. Hell if I spent that on a lawnmower & it didn't cut the grass, well; is it really worth $2800?


Also I'm not trying to bust your balls about all this, I just don't want you to be discouraged about SVS and your experience with them. I do believe especially saving the hundreds of dollars you would that the HSU 3.5's would be the best direction at this time. Personally I don't think the 15H is worth the extra money. As someone stated above I would put them flanking your cabinet & move the 2.5's on both sides of your couch.



Do you have XT32 for dual sub EQ?
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No I completely understand the hesitation, the trade offs, etc.. Plus I know it's a bitch to move big heavy subs around. I have carpet in my room so it makes sliding them a bit easier but, I can see especially not wanting to scratch your floors the headache it causes. Plus you have a gorgeous room so I completely understand your aesthetic concerns.



I know it's mind bending, a sub basically a piston that moves air, they should all work in the same place but, it just doesn't work like that. I know I was totally perplexed when I encountered this issue as well..funny enough I actually said the same thing you did, my $250 BIC subwoofer would blow the SVS out of the water with both extension & output. I totally took mine apart, checked the driver, the spider, made sure the voice coil wasn't warped & rubbing, took the amp off the back & made sure all capacitors & resistors was attached & not corroded but, everything was fine. So I said the hell with it..the only advice I was getting was placement since I knew my settings were correct & the sub itself didn't appear to have any damage so I totally rearranged my room & wallah, she opened up & started shaking the walls.



I know it's frustrating, you spend $2800 & expect to not have to drag 100's of pounds all across your living area spending hours of your time for no output. Hell if I spent that on a lawnmower & it didn't cut the grass, well; is it really worth $2800?


Also I'm not trying to bust your balls about all this, I just don't want you to be discouraged about SVS and your experience with them. I do believe especially saving the hundreds of dollars you would that the HSU 3.5's would be the best direction at this time. Personally I don't think the 15H is worth the extra money. As someone stated above I would put them flanking your cabinet & move the 2.5's on both sides of your couch.



Do you have XT32 for dual sub EQ?
lol I know you not busting my balls. SVS has been great they really have. CS is awesome. those PB 13s are supposed to be awesome. Agree with you other than a few db in the 16hz range, spending $400 more for 15H not worth it. I've looked at all the numbers. Plus it seems HSU really integrate well with my AVR and room.

Ive got 2 pre outs on AVR, would you suggest mini dsp to run the 4 subs or simply splitter for both Sub pre outs?

The Mono 15s would fit perfectly also up front, but I dont see big difference in measurements vs. 3.5s

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lol I know you not busting my balls. SVS has been great they really have. CS is awesome. those PB 13s are supposed to be awesome. Agree with you other than a few db in the 16hz range, spending $400 more for 15H not worth it. I've looked at all the numbers. Plus it seems HSU really integrate well with my AVR and room.

Ive got 2 pre outs on AVR, would you suggest mini dsp to run the 4 subs or simply splitter for both Sub pre outs?

The Mono 15s would fit perfectly also up front, but I dont see big difference in measurements vs. 3.5s
I don't remember exactly how much dual 3.5s are compared to dual Mono15's but, if it wasn't substantial I'd recommend the Mono15. Their sound signature is amazing, truly amazing. Tight, accurate, deep. They can extend with the best or them and also make great tactile sensations.



Either way that's up to you if it's worth the difference. Either company you'd have to pay return shipping unlike SVS.


& in regards to the miniDSP is contingent if you have XT32 or not. XT32 will EQ 2 subs separately or in your case 2 groups of subs. So you'd want the front subs on the same preout & the rear subs on the other preout. If you do not have XT32 I would definitely recommend getting a miniDSP but, I would only recommend the HD version. The nonHD version puts out 0.9v from the preout while the HD version puts out 2.0v from its preout. If you had the nonHD version it would severely hamper your signal being fed to the sub's amplifier therefore hindering your overall output.



If you did decide to go the nonHD route you'd need something like this CleanBox, it will take an input & increase the voltage to the output.


https://www.amazon.com/ART-CLEANBoxP.../dp/B003S7T49K


So to sum it up, if you do not have XT32 I'd definitely recommend a miniDSP. If you do have XT32 it's not necessary but, would still be recommended.


The main reason for having one is making sure all subs are properly time aligned, calibrated the same, & for it's tremendous PEQ/DEQ.

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lol I know you not busting my balls. SVS has been great they really have. CS is awesome. those PB 13s are supposed to be awesome. Agree with you other than a few db in the 16hz range, spending $400 more for 15H not worth it. I've looked at all the numbers. Plus it seems HSU really integrate well with my AVR and room.



Ive got 2 pre outs on AVR, would you suggest mini dsp to run the 4 subs or simply splitter for both Sub pre outs?



The Mono 15s would fit perfectly also up front, but I dont see big difference in measurements vs. 3.5s

All the base gurus and my acoustic engineer recommend using a single bass output. Use the mini DSP to EQ and set delays.

I have 4 subs and getting them to sound their best will take a bit of experimentation and small adjustments along with some blood sweat and tears. I also highly recommend getting familiar with REW so that you can take frequency sweeps of your subs and speakers.

Don’t get frustrated as there are lots of resources here on the forum in multiple threads. Hopefully you enjoy the process like I do and take it on as a challenge to get the best possible bass from your subs.

There is no right way but only recommended practice. My preference is to EQ the subs myself and then let Audyssey try and improve on it. If I don’t like what Audyssey did I either turn it off or take measurements from slightly different positions as this can make huge differences in the final sound.

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I don't remember exactly how much dual 3.5s are compared to dual Mono15's but, if it wasn't substantial I'd recommend the Mono15. Their sound signature is amazing, truly amazing. Tight, accurate, deep. They can extend with the best or them and also make great tactile sensations.



Either way that's up to you if it's worth the difference. Either company you'd have to pay return shipping unlike SVS.


& in regards to the miniDSP is contingent if you have XT32 or not. XT32 will EQ 2 subs separately or in your case 2 groups of subs. So you'd want the front subs on the same preout & the rear subs on the other preout. If you do not have XT32 I would definitely recommend getting a miniDSP but, I would only recommend the HD version. The nonHD version puts out 0.9v from the preout while the HD version puts out 2.0v from its preout. If you had the nonHD version it would severely hamper your signal being fed to the sub's amplifier therefore hindering your overall output.



If you did decide to go the nonHD route you'd need something like this CleanBox, it will take an input & increase the voltage to the output.


https://www.amazon.com/ART-CLEANBoxP.../dp/B003S7T49K


So to sum it up, if you do not have XT32 I'd definitely recommend a miniDSP. If you do have XT32 it's not necessary but, would still be recommended.


The main reason for having one is making sure all subs are properly time aligned, calibrated the same, & for it's tremendous PEQ/DEQ.
Monos $2600
VTF3 $1800

something to think about....

I do not have XT32. Any specific brand mini dsp HD you recommend?

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All the base gurus and my acoustic engineer recommend using a single bass output. Use the mini DSP to EQ and set delays.

I have 4 subs and getting them to sound their best will take a bit of experimentation and small adjustments along with some blood sweat and tears. I also highly recommend getting familiar with REW so that you can take frequency sweeps of your subs and speakers.

Don’t get frustrated as there are lots of resources here on the forum in multiple threads. Hopefully you enjoy the process like I do and take it on as a challenge to get the best possible bass from your subs.

There is no right way but only recommended practice. My preference is to EQ the subs myself and then let Audyssey try and improve on it. If I don’t like what Audyssey did I either turn it off or take measurements from slightly different positions as this can make huge differences in the final sound.

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What mini dsp do you have?

I have an Xilica XP4080 DSP but most people use mini DSP since they are a great value. My acoustic engineer, Nyal Mellor, recommended the Xilica but it is better if you purchase the mini DSP since so many people in the forum own them and can help with set up and adjustments.


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Monos $2600
VTF3 $1800

something to think about....

I do not have XT32. Any specific brand mini dsp HD you recommend?
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the rythmik fv15hp is the perfect height for end table, but probably is too wide for your setup. looking at your pics it doesnt look like any sub will fit what you have to work with unless you make some furniture adjustments. attached you see my 15hp as end table to couch and my fv25hp in kitchen nook corner.
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something to think about....

I do not have XT32. Any specific brand mini dsp HD you recommend?
While the output numbers are similar on paper the Monolith has additional tuning options and a more clean and accurate sound signature. I previously owned an Hsu VTF-15H (v2).

Is it worth the difference in price? Tough call. I don't know your finances but the VTF3 is a heck of a deal. If the Monoliths were on a sale I would say go for it.
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Was considering PSA subs too...looked at website 100x
Read the GTG and I have to back away.....I hear good things about Tom V
I was considering the V3611 but I dont know...seems numbers on website and tested a little different


search continues but shrinking in size to options....

I know JTR bad ass but I just dont want to spend 4-5 on subs..I just cant (dont)

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But the tests dont lie
I was considering the V3611 but I just cant knowing numbers are manipulated
Doesnt make me feel good
PSA is one of the most beloved brands aroun here. I don't think they'd be so popular if they "cheated" or weren't trustworthy. If that's the reason for you to rule them out, I don't think it'd be justified. Just something to consider.
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PSA is one of the most beloved brands aroun here. I don't think they'd be so popular if they "cheated" or weren't trustworthy. If that's the reason for you to rule them out, I don't think it'd be justified. Just something to consider.
So based on some independent testing vs their own numbers...the independent testing is inaccurate and I should believe what’s on the website?

Seems kinda far fetched when many observed the tests to verify...not saying they bad speakers

Just not for me for reasons I stated

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So based on some independent testing vs their own numbers...the independent testing is inaccurate and I should believe what’s on the website?

Seems kinda far fetched when many observed the tests to verify...not saying they bad speakers

Just not for me for reasons I stated
I don't know about any tests. I'm just talking about the actual experiences that PSA owners have expressed (and continue to do so). It's just that your comment sounded weird to me.

If you're looking into numbers, I believe JTR subs are the best rated commercial subwoofers. I know they're expensive, but I believe even just one subwoofer will give you more than enough output and extension. At least you'd be sure you have the best of the best.
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