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Yeah I'm really trying to be patient, I know it will work out one way or another. But it does go to show just how great PSA's customer service is. When I got my first V3600 it arrived with a dead amp. I called Tom and he over nighted me a new amp and I was up and running in less than 24 hours. As you guys said, that's the level of CS I'm used to so this waiting game is hard.

On another note... to be clear, I am listening to just the one 2400ULF while I'm waiting. I just don't want to do any comparisons for all the reason noted earlier. I did watched Lone Survivor the other day and it sounded great so I'm not in complete withdrawal. I'm hanging in there but everyday gets a little harder but I'm doing my best. I took up knitting so help pass the time (just kidding).
The FV25HP is neck and neck with the 2400ULF down to 12.5hz and have a more similar output above 40hz as your PSA subs. But, I'm sure they sound a lot different from one another.

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I think funk does a model or two or can custom build one but one of them will cost about what his dual JTR cost him. DSS don’t think does.
But I really like the sound of these 2400ULFs so I don't think I want a different sub all I would really like is to get both subs up and running so I can see how powerful two of them can be. It will happen soon, I feel confident in that. I've read plenty of posts talking about Jeff taking care of his customers. I just need to be patient... it's not my strength but I'm getting better at it.
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Knowing you have the Rythmik big boy sub already.....I'm guessing you're gonna try out Cap 4000?
Yes, *try* is a good word for it I just want moar pants shattering spl. I absolutely adore the rythmik though dont get me wrong. Hopefully within a year or 2 I'll end up with duals of both..!




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if I was an all out basshead, I would always buy the most spl period. dont understand why I see a trend of rythmik owners that want more...they are a music first company imo with ultra low distortion...most bassheads want 20-30 percent distortion for that full sound.

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if I was an all out basshead, I would always buy the most spl period. dont understand why I see a trend of rythmik owners that want more...they are a music first company imo with ultra low distortion...most bassheads want 20-30 percent distortion for that full sound.


That is a good point. The paper cone seems to be a good compromise in that regard. I am very happy with the way they sound. Down right scary.


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someone mentioned JTR subs were modified car stereo super subs...I have some old fujitsu ten titanium subs back in day at 1k a piece...they get 1500 watts a piece in a car at 1.5 ohm and deliver 150+ db in just 4 cuft vented box...world record type performance and 20 yrs old....I have no issue using top quality drivers and not knockoff junk. JTR obviously uses the best in business modified subs.

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if I was an all out basshead, I would always buy the most spl period. dont understand why I see a trend of rythmik owners that want more...they are a music first company imo with ultra low distortion...most bassheads want 20-30 percent distortion for that full sound.
I'm a basshead and I went with Funk Audio. It has full sound and super low distortion. My previous psa/svs setup had much more distortion than the funk but the funk gave me much more weight and full sound.

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^^ I have not listened to Funk but from what I read, it is a step above psa, svs and possibly Rythmik. It also costs a whole lot more. My FV15hps pair has full weight, full sound, deep, clean, tight, output, you name it. I have not found the need to change them out for 6 or 7 years now.
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^^ I have not listened to Funk but from what I read, it is a step above psa, svs and possibly Rythmik. It also costs a whole lot more. My FV15hps pair has full weight, full sound, deep, clean, tight, output, you name it. I have not found the need to change them out for 6 or 7 years now.
Not to diss Rythmik and they are wonderful subs....the funk is still in a different class. We're not just talking about sound here or spl output since its probably hard to compare since sound is always subjective. But the amp and driver are all handbuilt by Nathan to highest quality parts you can get. Nothing is from China. So Funk Audio will have higher quality parts throughout the whole build.

The main reason it cost more are these things.....custom, custom, custom! If you want a custom box shape/size, custom finish, custom size driver, custom amp, etc....of course it cost more but the subs will be built based on your exact preference rather than just being stuck with one size box by the company.

So just that alone makes funk in a different class.....even if the sound were exactly the same. Best way I can describe a funk sub sound would be similar output to jtr sealed models but with lower distortion.

Just remember when you're in the high end category its going to be hard to be not impressed with any of these subs from top ID manufactures. Just the consumer needs to decide what his priorities are. And it doesn't matter which route you go as long as it checks all your boxes and are happy at the end.

Also you mentioned your subs are clean and tight and not the need to change them.....just stick with it and don't demo other subs or that could change in the future! LOL Even if you have the best thing today....there is always something better tomorrow.
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^^^ I think about the only subs he hasn't demo'd are the Funks IIRC. Right @tvuong ? I think he could probably win the award on the forum for most AVSers HT rooms visited and demoed from what I've seen him say somewhere on here before.

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Also you mentioned your subs are clean and tight and not the need to change them.....just stick with it and don't demo other subs or that could change in the future! LOL Even if you have the best thing today....there is always something better tomorrow.
I have demo’ed subs and systems at about 20 AVSers’ places and still don’t feel the need to upgrade my subs. There are much more powerful subs I have demo’ed but I found I still prefer how my subs sound and they give me more headroom than I need for my normal listening level (-15MV with +8db bass hot).
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^^^ I think about the only subs he hasn't demo'd are the Funks IIRC. Right @tvuong ? I think he could probably win the award on the forum for most AVSers HT rooms visited and demoed from what I've seen him say somewhere on here before.
Now that I remember, I actually did hear the Funk Horn sub at Marc Alexander’s place briefly for 5 minutes (we ran out of time and it was really late so we didn’t crank it). I don’t remember the model though.
Thanks. I want to check out your system badly @SBuger
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I have demo’ed subs and systems at about 20 AVSers’ places and still don’t feel the need to upgrade my subs. There are much more powerful subs I have demo’ed but I found I still prefer how my subs sound and they give me more headroom than I need for my normal listening level (-15MV with +8db bass hot).
Yeah if you are happy then that's all that matters and it would not make sense for you to change anything. I'm happy with just 2 subs...for now lol....even thought there are others with many more subs than I and I can't see any desire to add more....but who knows?

Do you do just local avsers or do you go all over? From what I hear the KC boys have some serious SPL going on. While I do have good sounding system, I don't think I can compete with them output wise!

Oh by the way....with subs 8db hot you are officially a basshead….you just didn't know it!

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Now that I remember, I actually did hear the Funk Horn sub at Marc Alexander’s place briefly for 5 minutes (we ran out of time and it was really late so we didn’t crank it). I don’t remember the model though.
Thanks. I want to check out your system badly @SBuger
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I did demo a few movie tracks today to see what I need to work on/tweak and was pretty happy with it so far. I'm sure I'll continue to adjust it for the next week or so lol A few things I need to test as well.

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^^ Thanks. Only one of the guy is local with 4 Seaton F18’s and D-motion super bad ^ss theater. I travel for work and been hitting avsers from all over the places including carp and archaea (both in Kansas). Lukeamdman in MN wins spl as he was hitting over 150db. Notnyt bass system is up there also.
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in my car audio sub experience I have found using very expensive drivers can deliver the spl in smallest box sizes. I have 2x12 in subs in 4 cuft box hitting well over 150db. almost world record which is 156 i think...I hit 152 on dash w/termlab mic. for dual 12's thats crazy. I know(I think) jtr uses top o line car subs. to be honest Im not impressed with any subs I have owned in home. just ugly knockoffs or blah simple design. these are the subs I own in my competition car. not only pretty, they perform.

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I should add these subs like 20 yrs old...

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in my car audio sub experience I have found using very expensive drivers can deliver the spl in smallest box sizes. I have 2x12 in subs in 4 cuft box hitting well over 150db. almost world record which is 156 i think...I hit 152 on dash w/termlab mic. for dual 12's thats crazy. I know(I think) jtr uses top o line car subs. to be honest Im not impressed with any subs I have owned in home. just ugly knockoffs or blah simple design. these are the subs I own in my competition car. not only pretty, they perform.
I spy an Eclipse box! I miss my car audio days. I only had two JL-Audio 10w6's powered by a Soundstream Reference 700 in a small sealed box but man did they pump out the bass!
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back then I went thru all the big brands...have 2x rf 1500's bridged in mono and most subs just got blown. JL audio refused to sell me anymore to include w7. I was ultimate basshead back then

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my questions are whats the home equivalent of a very expensive sub? I honestly dont diy or worry much as I have been happy with velodyn and rythmik subs. but curious on what company uses subs that are 1k a piece or more.

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I should add these subs like 20 yrs old...
I'm pretty sure the Eclipse Ti drivers were actually built by TC Sounds for Eclipse, TC were also responsible for building the now legendary LMS Ultra 5400 - arguably the best subwoofer ever made
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so are there any subwoofer shootouts...just subs and not the boxes? would love to see what subs can do with lets say a standard 6000 watt sub amp...I mean if want to be in top tier I think all for sale sub systems can be beat if people knew what was possible. if I bought a 2 grand top o line 24 in sub and hooked up 6k watts...put it in a box...would/can I blow out mainstream subs?

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^^ Thanks. Only one of the guy is local with 4 Seaton F18’s and D-motion super bad ^ss theater. I travel for work and been hitting avsers from all over the places including carp and archaea (both in Kansas). Lukeamdman in MN wins spl as he was hitting over 150db. Notnyt bass system is up there also.
You forgot to mention that you still not feel chest slam...

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For those interested, Jeff just emailed me and let me know my replacement amp is on the way. Should be here Saturday but we've had a lot of bad weather and deliveries have been delayed lately so who knows. But at any rate it's coming and I should be up and running early next week at the latest. I just need to figure out how to change out this amp.

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For those interested, Jeff just emailed me and let me know my replacement amp is on the way. Should be here Saturday but we've had a lot of bad weather and deliveries have been delayed lately so who knows. But at any rate it's coming and I should be up and running early next week at the latest. I just need to figure out how to change out this amp.
I responded in the JTR thread.....but here it is with more detail....remove screws that amp is screwed into box....disconnect 2 wires from amp that is connected to sub driver. Reconnect 2 wires to new amp, screw in new amp back into box. Its much easier than you imagine. Once you take amp out you will have AHA moment.
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so are there any subwoofer shootouts...just subs and not the boxes? would love to see what subs can do with lets say a standard 6000 watt sub amp...I mean if want to be in top tier I think all for sale sub systems can be beat if people knew what was possible. if I bought a 2 grand top o line 24 in sub and hooked up 6k watts...put it in a box...would/can I blow out mainstream subs?
Funk's drivers are some of the best made in the world...his are not ultra low bass high excursion low efficiency, nor are they low excursion ultra high efficiency pro audio drivers....they are a hybrid with the low end that is close to the highest excursion low efficiency monsters, but also with reasonably high efficiency almost as high as many pro audio drivers. So if you look at 10Hz-120 Hz they have world class output with some of the lowest distortion of any driver tested on data-bass. These drivers can be bought from Funk's supplier and cost over $1,000 for the 18" versions. His 21" drivers are the same philosophy.
The Funk Audio 18.0 and 21.0 are both on data-bass.

The B&C IPAL 21" is probably one of the best overall drivers in the world...I can't actually think of a better driver top to bottom..ouptut, power handling, distortion, etc.
https://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=130
I think these were the first drivers that took every drop of power Josh Ricci's K20 test amp can dish out...the entire test from top to bottom was amp limited.

The Rockford Fosgate TS32-19 is one of the best drivers in the world imo, although it does take a lot of power imo to get it going.
https://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=125

Im a little biased, but I think this is one of the best all around 18's made...similar in performance to the Funk Audio 18's but priced a little lower. I might be a little biased about this driver
https://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=112
Outguns the B&C 21" drivers.
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You forgot to mention that you still not feel chest slam...
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For those interested, Jeff just emailed me and let me know my replacement amp is on the way. Should be here Saturday
Good to hear . Wish your 3601’s are still there though.
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Good to hear . Wish your 3601’s are still there though.
Yeah but I know those subs inside and out. So while it's not perfect I think I'll be able to do a good comparison.

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Yeah but I know those subs inside and out. So while it's not perfect I think I'll be able to do a good comparison.


Congrats man. Looking forward to it


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