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How are you running your subs? Rumble filter on or off?
I have it on. I ran some sweeps and it does get me a little deeper but I’m always afraid I might damage them as I am running them 10db hot and BEQ(most movies). Although I do limit my volume to -10 at the most due to the limitations of my L/R and my seating distance.

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I have it on. I ran some sweeps and it does get me a little deeper but I’m always afraid I might damage them as I am running them 10db hot and BEQ(most movies)
I tried with if off today and gained 9db at 10hz That is HUGE! I am going to run with it off now...You are running the subs very similar to mine, I think you will be ok unless you listen and reference and above?

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I tried with if off today and gained 9db at 10hz That is HUGE! I am going to run with it off now...You are running the subs very similar to mine, I think you will be ok unless you listen and reference and above?
That’s a huge difference! Yea, I’m not sure, but likely would be safe. Honestly I rarely listen that loud(usually -20 to -15) as my setup is in my only living room and turns out my wife isn’t a bass head. Lol. We were watching Interstellar a couple nights ago and she looks at me and says “every dish in the house is rattling, turn it down before they break. That can’t be good for the house.” Lol, that was at -20.
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That’s a huge difference! Yea, I’m not sure, but likely would be safe. Honestly I rarely listen that loud(usually -20 to -15) as my setup is in my only living room and turns out my wife isn’t a bass head. Lol. We were watching Interstellar a couple nights ago and she looks at me and says “every dish in the house is rattling, turn it down before they break. That can’t be good for the house.” Lol, that was at -20.

Oh then you are surely going to fine with it off.


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I’ll give it a whirl and see what I notice.
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he has four! yes four! as in 4!!! JTR S2's in his not overly large theater, with two near field firing directly into the back of his seating if I recall. Eight very high excursion 18's with 16,000 watts!!
Yes, in addition he also has 4 (yes four) Behringer 1200D MBMs on top of the two VNF Jtr S2’s
Edit: Forgot to mention he also has 3 JTR Noesis 215 as LCR (6 15” woofers)
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^^^^^^
The boss platform is the undisputed king of cost effective TR.

If I had found the boss platform 3 years ago I could have spent 1/4 the amount I did on subs. Get some subs that get down to 16-20hz with authority and the add the boss platform. I would say I get 3 times as much TR from the boss vs the near field S2’s. Just having the boss platform unpowered added 2x’s as much TR with the S2’s firing into it.

Of course BEQ and the minidsp’s are required to get the most out of it.
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^^ Agree 100%. My BOSS and my tiny FV15HPs pair along with beq can scare the crap out of me. They make me feel like I have unlimited power and that my room is about to come down with MV at only -15mv. I run bass about plus 12 hot though.
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^^^^^^^
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Watched Midway this evening. It was incredible with the boss platform.
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Watched Midway this evening. It was incredible with the boss platform.

Not sure if you follow the TR thread that Shelby created but there is constant optimization of the TR gear there. I added bicycle tubes to my BOSS and it doubled the TR easily.


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Not sure if you follow the TR thread that Shelby created but there is constant optimization of the TR gear there. I added bicycle tubes to my BOSS and it doubled the TR easily.


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Hi - lost track of that thread but have read about the bicycle inner tubes.

I may try that as it is such an easy upgrade.
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Check out the crazy in room extension from the FV18s
Over 100db at 7hz!! This at -10MV

That extension is almost an octave under the 12hz tuned . Just amazing from a pair of a SINGLE 18” ported subs.
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It would be great to demo the 2400 ULFs and the FV18 for him once this virus thing is over
Hey Ray, definitely looking forward to being able to demo those. And 100% ready for this pandemic crap to be over! My 2 week leave from work has become a month and a half now, but I'm actually heading back in on Monday to work a turnaround (10 days) and then who knows what's going to happen from there. My boss is saying that they might make me go back home, but we'll see.


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For those of you with a Boss platform, how much power is typically required for it? I’m already taxing my 20A circuit with what I have on it and my electrical panel already looks full so I’m pretty sure adding another circuit would be quite expensive.
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For those of you with a Boss platform, how much power is typically required for it? I’m already taxing my 20A circuit with what I have on it and my electrical panel already looks full so I’m pretty sure adding another circuit would be quite expensive.

How JBLs are you looking to run? The BOSS can be run with as little as 80w per speaker.


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How JBLs are you looking to run? The BOSS can be run with as little as 80w per speaker.


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For those of you with a Boss platform, how much power is typically required for it? I’m already taxing my 20A circuit with what I have on it and my electrical panel already looks full so I’m pretty sure adding another circuit would be quite expensive.
I'm still running 2 JBLs off of a single channel of my old Onkyo receiver. Keep meaning to order a real amp, but the Onkyo does a good job.

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For those of you with a Boss platform, how much power is typically required for it? I’m already taxing my 20A circuit with what I have on it and my electrical panel already looks full so I’m pretty sure adding another circuit would be quite expensive.
If you use inner tubes you can use 200-250 watts per driver. If using no tubes, just isolators you an use 80-100 watts per driver. This is assuming you are using the JBL 12's that most guys are using.

It cost me 400 a few years back to have 2 20 amp lines from from the back of my house, around the side of the exterior of the house and into the room next to my HT room where all my equipment is. Not cheap, but once it's done it's worth it.

The tubes are a significant upgrade, mostly because of how much better/more powerful the low stuff is, but they also feel more realistic.
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Thanks everyone for the info. I’m looking into either Boss or some Crowsons. The major factors are cost difference and seeing if I can run them on my existing circuit. I’ll probably have an electrician give me a quote for adding an additional circuit but I’m assuming it won’t be cheap (prob more than $400) since it doesn’t look like there are any open slots in my current electrical panel for a new line to be added and the whole panel might have to be replaced first with a bigger one.
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^^^ Whether you need a new panel depends on your panel's age, design and it's current loading. A licensed electrician can determine options by looking at the panel's documentation or examination of the breaker slotting. They may be able to use tandem-breakers to add a circuit or two. Most newer breaker panels manufactured in past 20-30 years (maybe longer) allow the installation of a certain # of tandems in very specific slots.. The number or "tandem-slots" is limited to specific areas of the panel. That's a lot simpler and less $ than replacing an entire panel. But if you need a new panel, that may be the only route. A couple of links:

https://www.hometips.com/diy-how-to/...-breakers.html
https://www.startribune.com/how-to-k...ers/140688183/

When I built my house, a few decades ago, I had 2 x 20A pulled as dedicated runs for my then AV setup. I wish now I'd done 3 or 4.... There is never enough power once you dip your toes into this hobby... Stay safe! Good luck! Later.

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Hi - lost track of that thread but have read about the bicycle inner tubes.

I may try that as it is such an easy upgrade.
Yes definitely worth it. Will require some experimentation to get things personal choice but that's like everything else

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Hey Ray, definitely looking forward to being able to demo those. And 100% ready for this pandemic crap to be over! My 2 week leave from work has become a month and a half now, but I'm actually heading back in on Monday to work a turnaround (10 days) and then who knows what's going to happen from there. My boss is saying that they might make me go back home, but we'll see.


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Hey thanks bud. Stay safe out there if going to work. Certainly unprecedented times
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For sure! I go in tonight, so it'll be interesting to see how they have things organized (or not) for this thing. We'll see.

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Hi @chucks0 @bear123 and @serith Can I please ask you add your reviews of your subs here? I have tried to maintain this thread to hold different sub impressions for folks in one place as much as possible outside of the owner thread

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Just Another Subwoofer Review and Comparison - Part 1

IMPORTANT: All of my comparisons were done within the output capabilities of each sub. Clearly the max output for each sub is going to be a good bit different so I wasn't comparing things at reference levels. I will have duals of the chosen sub which will have all of the output I need.

My review is split into two posts. This first post will focus on why I made a change and my opinion of the other subs I was considering. The second post will focus solely on the FV18-PC. If you aren't interested in how I arrived at my final decision, just skip this post.

After a year of owning the PSA TV36-IPAL, I decided I wanted to go back to dual subs and all the benefits that they provide. My short list consisted of the PSA TV1812, JTR 2400 (short), and Rythmik FV18-PC. I wanted something that was a little more compact than the TV36 while still being able to dig deep and provide sufficient tactile response in my 5000 cu/ft basement media room. Every one of the subs on my list is impressive in their own way and I would have been happy with any of them.

As a happy PSA owner for several years, the most obvious choice was the TV1812. While I didn't get to listen to it in my room, I have a really good idea what to expect from it since I had the TV36 for a year. I'm sure there are likely to be subtle difference between the TV36 and TV18 but they will be more alike than different. Like all PSA subs, the TV36 excels at providing high quality mid bass with gobs of TR. The TV36 has plenty of ULF output to balance things out although it never lets you forget about that mid bass which is reflected in the overall sound signature. I did experience the slight hiss that has been reported by other owners although it was very faint and could only be heard from the MLP when everything was silent. There have also been changes to the DSP on the newer subs to minimize this and others have reported that theirs are dead silent. In the end, if I hadn't sold my TV36, I would have traded it in on a pair of TV1812 and been very happy. The TV series subs are well rounded subs from a great company with great customer service. The standard satin finish is very durable, the build quality is great, the standard warranty is 5 years, and the trade-in program is nice for those of us that are never satisified.

Next up was JTR. You really can't consider purchasing a new subwoofer for home theater use without giving JTR a look. I considered ordering a 2400 to demo in my room, but Jeff had one 1200xs so I ordered that to demo instead. The return shipping was a good bit less, it was available to ship immediately, and while it has half the output of the 2400, the overall sound signature is the same. I really don't need to get into too much detail about the JTR sound as there are lots of reviews already. Suffice it to say, even the little brother of the 2400 has downright violent ULF. I was concerned about the relative diminuitive port, but never had issues with chuffing during normal use. I was amazed by how well such a small sub could effortlessly fill my large room with authority. The sound signature is the complete inverse of the PSA subs. The ULF of the JTR is much more in your face all the time which can color the mid bass a bit too much for my liking. Of course, that is to be expected since my ears are used to the leaner sound of the PSA. The little JTR sub really grew on me after a couple weeks and if I could have added a second, my decision would have been much more difficult. I don't think there is another commercial offering that can match the brute force of the 1200xs at that price / size. In the end, the additional $2400 for a pair of 2400s and my preference for more mid bass clarity proved to be the deciding factor.

If you've made it this far, it's pretty obvious that the Rythmik FV18-PC is what I ended up with. My full review of the FV18 is in the next post.
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Just Another Subwoofer Review and Comparison - Part 2

IMPORTANT: All of my comparisons were done within the output capabilities of each sub. Clearly the max output for each sub is going to be a good bit different so I wasn't comparing things at reference levels. I will have duals of the chosen sub which will have all of the output I need.

Ok, so at the end of my subwoofer search, I arrived at the Rythmik FV18-PC. While the other subwoofers would be excellent choices, the FV18 just checked the most boxes for me and matched what I was looking for better than the others.

I quickly realized that Rythmik pays attention to the smaller details that often go overlooked. The packaging is among the best I have seen. Someone would have to be extremely careless to damage it in shipping. Unboxing is very easy considering the weight of this thing and the "skateboards" are quite effective. The FV18 is extremely well built and is very heavy relative to other subs its size. The vinyl wrap far exceeded my expectations and is applied with precision. The paper cone driver is "ok" looking; not bad, but not as nice to look at as JTR or PSA drivers. I like the transparency of the grill and found it to be much more attractive in person than in pictures. There are lots of dials and switches but the small instruction guide gives good starting points which simplified initial setup. I started with 12 hz, low damping, rumble filter on amd after powering it on, it remained dead silent which is a good thing (no hisses, no hums).

After running a baseline sweep to see what the native response looked like, I ran through a quick Audyssey calibration and started playing some different songs that I am familiar with. I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the nuances of particular songs, but the FV18 is extremely impressive with music. Even in low damping mode, the clarity and texture is incredible. I can only imagine how the aluminum driver in high damping mode would sound. For me, the FV18 has the perfect balance of definition and accuracy, without becoming too sterile. It does an excellent job of blending in with the other speakers and sounds better with music than any other sub I have heard. The PSA TV36 did have a little more mid-bass punch at higher volumes, but the FV18 isn't lacking at all.

Next up were some of my favorite Dolby trailers that I keep on the Plex server. Once again, I came away very impressed. After hearing the finesse of the FV18 with music, I was worried that it might not have enough ULF grunt for my liking. I was wrong, very wrong. This thing can be downright violent when called upon. I had to double check a few times and make sure the BOSS platform was turned off as my seats were shaking quite a bit from the sub alone. By this point, my mind was already made up and I hadn't even watched a movie yet.

I'm not a big fan of cherry picking 10 second clips from different movies to evaluate subs as I prefer to actually watch movies. The first movie we watched using the FV18 was Maleficent. Yeah, I know I should be kicked off of AVS for that choice, but the family wanted to watch something new. I was actually VERY surprised by the quality of the bass in a Disney movie for once. The FV18 handled everything with ease and provided incredible impact to the more dynamic scenes. I was impressed with how the FV18 improved the experience without calling attention to itself too much. The JTR struggled with this aspect a bit and although it is the king of ULF TR, it likes to yell "look what I can do" which can take away from the experience.

Although I don't like doing it, I played some of the more popular demo scenes (EOT Intro, War of the Worlds, Olympus Has Fallen, etc) and my expectations were exceeded in every case. While the FV18 gave up a tiny bit of mid bass TR to the TV36 with music, it more than made up for it with these demos. I was NOT expecting the single FV18 to have more ULF TR than the larger TV36-IPAL and it is always nice to be pleasantly surprised.

While there is no such thing as a perfect sub, the FV18-PC is the right sub for me. It is the perfect combination of sound quality, build quality, musicality, violence, etc.

As soon as the second FV18 arrives, I will likely spend a lot of time getting everything dialed in and experiment a lot more with the different amp options. I imagine I will like 14 hz, high damping, rumble filter off the best but we will see. I will also do compression sweeps once everthing is broken in.
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i've posted some musings since upgrading to a single jtr captivator 4000ulf last month here on the forum and elsewhere privately (some of which can be found in the official jtr subwoofer thread about a month ago--i still plan on posting something to my youtube channel later). the bottom line is i haven't been chasing "musicality", "tightness" or "mid-bass slam" like some other people prefer here (everyone has their preferences, no judgement on my end). i just wanted the most powerful sub i could fit in my room after finding the limits of the fv25 trio. the single captivator reminds me very much of the tri fv25's, except when those ran out of gas down low this thing just keeps going and starts to scare you when you approach its limits. this is not a slight towards the fv25 as that sub is a beast in its own right, however it's just outclassed with larger & more capable drivers combined with more power & a much larger cabinet--not exactly a fair fight!). i had originally ordered (3) captivators but then life happens and has other plans for you unexpectedly and suddenly you're taking a step back and remembering that this is just a hobby at the end of the day. a second will be added down the road if only to lessen the burden on the single sub and have a higher theoretical ceiling. i've never experienced a sub with this level of brute force, weight, thickness & authority before--it's truly something any basshead needs to experience (especially when the drivers are sitting just a few feet behind the MLP!). it's definitely strange where i'll find myself already satisfied with the output i'm getting and then question if i have the guts to turn it up a tiny bit higher--and then immediately worry about what i'm inevitably breaking elsewhere in the house. i'm in love!

oh, and the port wind. holy mother of god, that port wind.
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i've posted some musings since upgrading to a single jtr captivator 4000ulf last month here on the forum and elsewhere privately (some of which can be found in the official jtr subwoofer thread about a month ago--i still plan on posting something to my youtube channel later). the bottom line is i haven't been chasing "musicality", "tightness" or "mid-bass slam" like some other people prefer here (everyone has their preferences, no judgement on my end). i just wanted the most powerful sub i could fit in my room after finding the limits of the fv25 trio. the single captivator reminds me very much of the tri fv25's, except when those ran out of gas down low this thing just keeps going and starts to scare you when you approach its limits. this is not a slight towards the fv25 as that sub is a beast in its own right, however it's just outclassed with larger & more capable drivers combined with more power & a much larger cabinet--not exactly a fair fight!). i had originally ordered (3) captivators but then life happens and has other plans for you unexpectedly and suddenly you're taking a step back and remembering that this is just a hobby at the end of the day. a second will be added down the road if only to lessen the burden on the single sub and have a higher theoretical ceiling. i've never experienced a sub with this level of brute force, weight, thickness & authority before--it's truly something any basshead needs to experience (especially when the drivers are sitting just a few feet behind the MLP!). it's definitely strange where i'll find myself already satisfied with the output i'm getting and then question if i have the guts to turn it up a tiny bit higher--and then immediately worry about what i'm inevitably breaking elsewhere in the house. i'm in love!

oh, and the port wind. holy mother of god, that port wind.
Sorry to hear about life getting the way it always seems to do that. Your rear riser set up would be really easy to turn into a boss set up. I would definitely look into adding some JBL drivers its such an easy and cheap upgrade and unbeatable in the performance to dollar arena.
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Thanks everyone for the info. I’m looking into either Boss or some Crowsons. The major factors are cost difference and seeing if I can run them on my existing circuit. I’ll probably have an electrician give me a quote for adding an additional circuit but I’m assuming it won’t be cheap (prob more than $400) since it doesn’t look like there are any open slots in my current electrical panel for a new line to be added and the whole panel might have to be replaced first with a bigger one.
I think people see the watts involved and think they need a more circuits when truthfully this stuff doesn't require that much to run. I would just see if it works first. Either the circuit will trip or it won't. If it doesn't trip, the wire for each circuit is plenty heavy to not allow any substantial voltage drop. That is why the code book is the way it is.
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Sorry to hear about life getting the way it always seems to do that. Your rear riser set up would be really easy to turn into a boss set up. I would definitely look into adding some JBL drivers its such an easy and cheap upgrade and unbeatable in the performance to dollar arena.
i've been intrigued seeing these BOSS setups, however the energy that escapes the sub and goes directly through the riser is already kind of nuts. not sure how many other people out there have seating sitting directly on top of their subwoofers like this. it makes for a nice massage


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