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SVS Launches 3000 Series 13" Subwoofers

New from subwoofer specialist SVS sound is the 3000 series of 13" subwoofers. There are two new models, the sealed SB3000 ($999) and the ported PB3000 ($1399), and both sport powerful amplification plus DSP with app control.

The new subs use SVS Sound's Sledge STA800-D2 amplifier that's rated at 800 W continuous power with 2500 W peaks. Moreover, SVS adds a 50 MHz Analog Devices Audio DSP with 56bit filtering, which when combined with the SVS app, allows users to fine tune their subwoofer for the best performance in their system.

These subs feature a driver with a 25-pound magnet used in the motor. The aluminum cone does not flex, so when you turn of the sub, the power and precision of the bass in a recording is properly communicated to the listener.

“SVS is further asserting its dominance in the home subwoofer market by deploying the most advanced technology and achieving unrivaled performance at a lower price range than ever before with the 3000 Series,” said Gary Yacoubian, SVS President and Managing Partner. “Our engineering team challenged themselves to bring reference subwoofer performance to new lows so more people could enjoy chest-thumping output, subterranean deep bass extension, pinpoint accuracy and all the benefits of a world-class subwoofer. I’m proud to say, mission accomplished. The 3000 Series are unmatched in performance for the price and well beyond.”

When describing the new subs, SVS points out that the voice coil utilizes a new "flat edge-wound split-wind voice coil." The company says it is a unique design for a voice coil that reduces mass and increases efficiency.

The SB3000 has a rated frequency response of 18Hz to 260Hz, +/-3 dB while the PB3000 is good for 16Hz to 250Hz ported, and 18Hz to 260Hz in sealed mode.

These new subwoofers are available now and are also slated for reviews.
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I'm actually quite impressed at their naming and how this slots perfectly inbetween the 2000 and 4000. Almost like they anticipated it in advance

Would've liked to see a PC-3000, maybe it will come later?

Let the reviews and numbers come in. Very curious about effects of the DSP and app.
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Well with products like the 2000 series and the 4000 series, a 3000 series was only a matter of time. It looks like it slots in well with the other products in that "$1000-$1500" place in the lineup. Compatibility with the SVS app is a good selling point which makes up for the lack of a display like the 4000 and 16-Ultra models.

My only disappointment is the lack of a high pass filter in either the 4000 or 3000 series. For those of us running analog rigs where you want low extension for music past what many loudspeakers can accomplish, you either need a sub with a high pass filter or an outboard bass management device. The last sub in the class that had one was the SB13-Ultra which I had to find a gently used one for my analog listening room. The 2000 series does still have one but it's locked into 80 hz and not adjustable.
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Curious what testing will show. SVS video is obviously a lot of marketing fluff but they seem to imply that it has more output than its size or amp would otherwise suggest. I used the compare function on their website which lists max output at 30hz and compared with the PC-4000 (which is what I have) they were very close, 133.1 (PC-4000) vs 132.7 (PB-3000). The PB-4000 is higher at 134.5 however which I guess is a better comparison, box to box. Don't know how that number is derived but it's all we have for now. I'm guessing the PC-4000 would pull away below 30Hz but we'll see what real testing shows.

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Where's the PC3000? Odd that they would not have a replacement for the PC12+. I prefer the cylinder by a wide margin over the box.
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From a pricing standpoint, it would really help if they dropped their pricing by $50-$100 - not just just for the new 3000 series, but across their entire lineup; it would certainly make it more tempting to upgrade. I do realize it's been years since SVS has been considered a value leader, now that they don't really operate in the ID market segment..

I do like the compact size of the SB3000, but disappointed they've retained the same cheap plastic feet (or so it appears, from the photos).
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Where's the PC3000? Odd that they would not have a replacement for the PC12+. I prefer the cylinder by a wide margin over the box.
Agree. The cylinder versions of the 12 plus and the 4000 series are down on output relative to the box versions although this is not true for the PC-2000. Maybe they felt there was too small a margin between PC-2000, hypothetical PC-3000 and PC-4000? Don't know. Or maybe they just don't sell enough cylinders? I liked my PC12+s when I had them and felt it was an upgrade from the PC-2000 and in turn feel like the PC-4000 is a further step up but it was probably more an upgrade in terms of the tech and only incremental in terms of performance.

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The cylinders are massive and not WAF friendly. I suspect that there is little demand, relative to the box models.

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The cylinders are massive and not WAF friendly. I suspect that there is little demand, relative to the box models.
They are not massive. They are certainly a hell of a lot lighter. As for WAF thats also subjective, its a sleek black cylinder aka cat scratcher vs a massive black box.

I mean of course you are right hence the decline, no one else makes cylinder subs, but I really miss that form factor. I will never understand why the DIY world abandoned sonosubs.
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For those wondering.

2000 series replaced the 12" NSD, 3000 replaces the 12" Plus, 4000 series replaced the 13" Ultras.
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The cylinders are massive and not WAF friendly. I suspect that there is little demand, relative to the box models.
I think it depends on your space. Our living room does not have any good floor space for a large PB-4000 or PB-16 box unless out in the open which would never fly with the wife. The cylinders, taking up substantially less floor space, can be placed easier. They work well in the back of our living room partially obscured by other furniture. So I am very happy SVS offers them. But still probably more of a niche product and much less popular.
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The most interesting thing to me is the bit about the increased efficiency of the driver. Especially around the crossover frequency (which in my system is either 80hz or 100hz, depending on program) I have had lighter, pro style subs do much better than my pair of SB16s, which are like trying to drive a finishing nail with a sledgehammer. Lighter drivers are good sometimes, and something I think would work well with SVS's already stellar list of features. Not everything has to be about max excursion at ball bruising levels.

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My wife MUCH prefers the cylinders over the larger boxes. I'm guessing its because of the floor space it takes up.
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This past September, I heard the SB3000 at a private showing at CEDIA. Actually, Gary and company were in a large, open hotel suite a block away from CEDIA. SparkNotes: the sub rocked! My customers are looking for WAF in combination with overall performance. That's where the SB (seal box) SVS woofers shine.

The SB3000 didn't break a sweat and because of the app, the SB3000 disappeared. While I was not familiar with the room, I thought the sub was extremely musical. I carry brands that cost 2X more for similar performance but without their intuitive and flexible interface. Therefore, I came away thinking that SVS left money on the table. If it matters, I just ordered two of them for my personal stereo system (Magico A3, Lyngdorf TDAI3400 and now the SVS SB3000). I will be selling many of this new 3000 platform to my customers.

The bottom line is the SB3000 won't disappoint. Saying that, the PB (Ported Box) 3000 is a much larger box. I might opt for a SB4000 if I needed or wanted more "woofage". Disclaimer: I'm a sealed box bigot. YMMV. Others are biased towards the ported box designs and SVS has that covered. They didn't have the PB3000 playing so I cannot comment on how it will perform.

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I think it depends on your space. Our living room does not have any good floor space for a large PB-4000 or PB-16 box unless out in the open which would never fly with the wife. The cylinders, taking up substantially less floor space, can be placed easier. They work well in the back of our living room partially obscured by other furniture. So I am very happy SVS offers them. But still probably more of a niche product and much less popular.
lol. Sorry, but that picture looks like a fat guy trying to hide behind a telephone pole....bet they sound great though!

Here are my SB16s. I had to break the WAF into them, but just like anything else that is in the room for a while, over time it becomes the way the room looks to you. The other one is behind the chair from the camera angle.
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I think it depends on your space. Our living room does not have any good floor space for a large PB-4000 or PB-16 box unless out in the open which would never fly with the wife. The cylinders, taking up substantially less floor space, can be placed easier. They work well in the back of our living room partially obscured by other furniture. So I am very happy SVS offers them. But still probably more of a niche product and much less popular.
I looked at your picture. How do you get the chess pieces to stay put!

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The cylinders are massive and not WAF friendly. I suspect that there is little demand, relative to the box models.
I disagree-my wife actually prefers one that takes up less floor space and isn’t as bulky. Besides the cylinder hides better behind a couch which is HUGE WAF upgrade...

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I looked at your picture. How do you get the chess pieces to stay put!
I was thinking the same thing!

I have a Sony core surround speaker on top of one of my 18" sealed subs.When I have the subs turned up with some good content,the surround moves around!
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I have a Sony core surround speaker on top of one of my 18" sealed subs.When I have the subs turned up with some good content,the surround moves around!
Surprisingly no flying chess pieces and no broken windows. Go figure. Works out well for me. My wife isn’t a fan of subwoofers in general so if I started breaking our house with them I’d be in trouble. If it were up to her we’d be watching and listening on an iPad. At least the kids like it.

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Surprisingly no flying chess pieces and no broken windows. Go figure. Works out well for me. My wife isn’t a fan of subwoofers in general so if I started breaking our house with them I’d be in trouble. If it were up to her we’d be watching and listening on an iPad. At least the kids like it.
Same here. I've walked in on my wife listening to music on her iPad, in the same room as what's literally a $20k stereo.

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For those wondering.

2000 series replaced the 12" NSD, 3000 replaces the 12" Plus, 4000 series replaced the 13" Ultras.
All at higher prices with I think not comparable increase in performance, but higher quality fit/finish, dsp, digital panels etc.
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They are not massive. They are certainly a hell of a lot lighter. As for WAF thats also subjective, its a sleek black cylinder aka cat scratcher vs a massive black box.

I mean of course you are right hence the decline, no one else makes cylinder subs, but I really miss that form factor. I will never understand why the DIY world abandoned sonosubs.
i can only speak for myself of course, but i never understood the appeal to the cylinder designs. i always assumed they must perform much better, because i just couldn't fathom that somebody would like the way they looked...
everybody has their own tastes i guess. but i'd have to assume sales drive this decision
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Same here. I've walked in on my wife listening to music on her iPad, in the same room as what's literally a $20k stereo.
Yep. My wife will listen to music on her iPhone speaker. It kills me. My 9 yo son comes home from school and puts pandora on the real system. He understands quality sound and bass already.

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i can only speak for myself of course, but i never understood the appeal to the cylinder designs. i always assumed they must perform much better, because i just couldn't fathom that somebody would like the way they looked...
everybody has their own tastes i guess. but i'd have to assume sales drive this decision
A cylinder is much lighter and takes up less space but is taller, I never understood why its so polarizing and why so many people dislike that shape.

From an engineering perspective, a cylinder is the ideal shape - no joints, much higher strength. The shape is easier to package, costs less to ship etc - its all wins. There are really no downsides except for the looks, which is a strange thing to base decision on for a massive sub.
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Yep. My wife will listen to music on her iPhone speaker. It kills me. My 9 yo son comes home from school and puts pandora on the real system. He understands quality sound and bass already.
Pandora? You lost the quality argument. Lol
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Yeah, thought the same thing about the cylinders when I looked at the 3000 lineup. Quickly realizing that it seems like they are phasing out cylinder looking at their lineup. Kind of a shame since that's what put them on the map in the first place. Still loving my dual PC12+ subs. Hell, ever since the JBL Studio 590s showed up a couple of years ago, the 12+'s seem small...

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