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xtz 12.17 edge opinions/review

Hello!

Do anyone here own a xtz 12.17 edge sub? or have anyone listen to one?

Cant find much into on it except their own site, no youtube videos etc with more detailed info.

I will most likely buy it as it seems to have really good peformance for its price.
I did email with them and they said that the xtz 12.17 edge have a better driver and amp compared to the svs pb-2000 wich is 300€ more expensive here.

So any info will be nice it will be for movies mainly for best experience 90% movies and 10% music.
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I owned a W12.16 myself, and reviewed a W12.18 a few years back, so I have a lot of experience with the 12.17's predecessors. I like the XTZ products and find them to be good performers and well engineered. They didn't handle their North American distribution the way they should have unfortunately, so not many people in NA own them, but in Europe I know they are quite popular. I suspect you would like what the 12.17 is capable of, provided the room isn't too large. A subwoofers performance is related to how much space it's working in, which essentially means large spaces need large subwoofers. If your room is moderately sized it should do fine.

 
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I got two 12.17 EDGE last week, and I'm quite happy with them. Great performance, for a relatively modest price.

After a few tests I placed the subwoofers on the 25 and 75% width of the front wall, and they sound very good. I'm using the REF setting, and the left port open, which is what it seems most persons with the 12.17 are using, and since I want maximum depth extension I think it makes a lot of sense.

One of the clips I like to use when testing a subwoofer is from ''Kong - Skull Island', the first battle, when the main characters see for the first time the big monkey, and as I was expecting I noticed an improvement compared to my old SB 2000. In particular when the bombs are dropped from the helicopter, with the SB 2000 those explosions were quite weak, and now with the two 12.17 each explosion is certainly more noticeable. I can't say the difference is huge, but it's definitely there. These explosions have very low frequencies, and the 12.17 Edge at 1m is 104dB at 20Hz, it makes sense that these specific explosions sound loud, but not LOUD.

I think the official XTZ numbers are....

CEA 2010 - 12.17 Edge - 1m
20Hz: 104dB
30Hz: 117dB
40Hz: 121dB
50Hz: 122dB
63Hz: 121dB
80Hz: 121dB
100Hz:122dB

I'm still being extra careful - been playing almost exclusively music for around 30 hours in total, in the last few days - it's possible that the sound keeps improving, but even without increasing the volume a lot and proper measuring equipment I think those values are very likely correct. With music these 12.17 sound immense, I think I'll never need to test or reach their limits.

With movies I still need to test them properly. ATM in my room the frequencies around 20Hz are clearly not as loud as from 30Hz and up, but that's what I expected, it'd be necessary a significantly more expensive subwoofer to go ''flat'' to the very low frequencies. The XTZ 12.17 EDGE competes directly with the SVS PB2000, but in Europe the XTZ is a lot cheaper, making it a great choice, IMHO.

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Hello!

Do anyone here own a xtz 12.17 edge sub? or have anyone listen to one?

Cant find much into on it except their own site, no youtube videos etc with more detailed info.

I will most likely buy it as it seems to have really good peformance for its price.
I did email with them and they said that the xtz 12.17 edge have a better driver and amp compared to the svs pb-2000 wich is 300€ more expensive here.

So any info will be nice it will be for movies mainly for best experience 90% movies and 10% music.
Everything xtz is well engineered. I know a couple of the guys who have a hand in those designs and they know what they are doing..

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I got two 12.17 EDGE last week, and I'm quite happy with them. Great performance, for a relatively modest price.

After a few tests I placed the subwoofers on the 25 and 75% width of the front wall, and they sound very good. I'm using the REF setting, and the left port open, which is what it seems most persons with the 12.17 are using, and since I want maximum depth extension I think it makes a lot of sense.

One of the clips I like to use when testing a subwoofer is from ''Kong - Skull Island', the first battle, when the main characters see for the first time the big monkey, and as I was expecting I noticed an improvement compared to my old SB 2000. In particular when the bombs are dropped from the helicopter, with the SB 2000 those explosions were quite weak, and now with the two 12.17 each explosion is certainly more noticeable. I can't say the difference is huge, but it's definitely there. These explosions have very low frequencies, and the 12.17 Edge at 1m is 104dB at 20Hz, it makes sense that these specific explosions sound loud, but not LOUD.

I think the official XTZ numbers are....

CEA 2010 - 12.17 Edge - 1m
20Hz: 104dB
30Hz: 117dB
40Hz: 121dB
50Hz: 122dB
63Hz: 121dB
80Hz: 121dB
100Hz:122dB

I'm still being extra careful - been playing almost exclusively music for around 30 hours in total, in the last few days - it's possible that the sound keeps improving, but even without increasing the volume a lot and proper measuring equipment I think those values are very likely correct. With music these 12.17 sound immense, I think I'll never need to test or reach their limits.

With movies I still need to test them properly. ATM in my room the frequencies around 20Hz are clearly not as loud as from 30Hz and up, but that's what I expected, it'd be necessary a significantly more expensive subwoofer to go ''flat'' to the very low frequencies. The XTZ 12.17 EDGE competes directly with the SVS PB2000, but in Europe the XTZ is a lot cheaper, making it a great choice, IMHO.

Sounds really nice my plan is to get 2 of them too but that will be later will first get 1 to get my front stage done and after that add surround the goal is a 7.2.4 setup
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Everything xtz is well engineered. I know a couple of the guys who have a hand in those designs and they know what they are doing..

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Yea from what info and reviews i have found they seem to be really well made and can get them for a really good price as i did email them and they gave me a 90€ disscound so it will only cost me 690€ compared to the svs pb-2000 that is 1000€
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Yea from what info and reviews i have found they seem to be really well made and can get them for a really good price as i did email them and they gave me a 90€ disscound so it will only cost me 690€ compared to the svs pb-2000 that is 1000€
Made an order some days ago and guess what, they still give 90€ if you email them
Also they give 180€ if you get 2

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Made an order some days ago and guess what, they still give 90€ if you email them
Also they give 180€ if you get 2

Yea i did order one for 690€ about a month ago if i did wait for the next batch then i got the price.


I should get it in about 1-2 weeks will update once i get it.
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Yea i did order one for 690€ about a month ago if i did wait for the next batch then i got the price.


I should get it in about 1-2 weeks will update once i get it.
I think we are at the same batch.I'm about to get it by 14th July i think.
They told me in emails that delivering will take about 4 weeks.

Ordered mine at 18th June so i'm at the 4th week, i guess it should be here sometime next week? (i wish)

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I think we are at the same batch.I'm about to get it by 14th July i think.
They told me in emails that delivering will take about 4 weeks.

Ordered mine at 18th June so i'm at the 4th week, i guess it should be here sometime next week? (i wish)
Yea most most likley i did email them last week and they said 1-2 weeks
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Yea most most likley i did email them last week and they said 1-2 weeks
I emailed them yesterday and got the same reply.
1-2 weeks more...

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I emailed them yesterday and got the same reply.
1-2 weeks more...

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I emailed them yesterday and got the same reply.
1-2 weeks more...

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I just got a shipping notice from UPS that it is shipped now should recive it friday or monday.
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I just got a shipping notice from UPS that it is shipped now should recive it friday or monday.
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I can tell you first hand that XTZ has crappy customer service and communication. I really like the 1X12 I have, but maaaan, they aren't on the same page as a company when dealing with their orders in the U.S.A..
I think their customer support have been really good they are friendly, they answer the emails very fast normaly within a few hours even late into the evening/nigh i have gotten replies in just some mins even at 11pm.


So for me they have been really good but i live in Finland and they are are from sweden so that is a alot closer.
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i got the subwoofer some hours ago but have not had time to even open it up yet : )
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i got the subwoofer some hours ago but have not had time to even open it up yet : )
Enjoy it!

It'll take 3 days at least for me.

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I think you can't compare their American CS with their European CS. It seems kind of obvious that the American operation just isn't that good, but they have an excellent rep in Europe, as far as I know.
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Anyone want to give they're thoughts on the 12.17? And is it really a giant killer or is it overhyped
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I bought the 12.17 edge couple of months back. Initial impressions were quite underwhelming, but with a lot of tweaks and changing settings and placement done right, this sub sounds fantastic.
I have the sub gain set at 10'o clock amd the sub trim in avr at -6, which provides the punch and thump that is required in movies.
I live in India, where SVS is insanely priced making the Xtz a lot more cheaper option.
I think the sub slowly grows on you, like every sub its very much placememt sensitive and with a lot of settings you have on the sub, it takes a lot of time to set it correctly.
XLR inputs and Parametric Equaliser also in the sub which i dont think any other sub in this price range will provide.
Only downside i have noticed in a couple of movies is the Port Noise. That is not disturbing, but it is there.
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Glad to hear your liking it, just ordered mine and hoping those tuning options can come in useful for me to.
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I bought the 12.17 edge couple of months back. Initial impressions were quite underwhelming, but with a lot of tweaks and changing settings and placement done right, this sub sounds fantastic.
I have the sub gain set at 10'o clock amd the sub trim in avr at -6, which provides the punch and thump that is required in movies.
I live in India, where SVS is insanely priced making the Xtz a lot more cheaper option.
I think the sub slowly grows on you, like every sub its very much placememt sensitive and with a lot of settings you have on the sub, it takes a lot of time to set it correctly.
XLR inputs and Parametric Equaliser also in the sub which i dont think any other sub in this price range will provide.
Only downside i have noticed in a couple of movies is the Port Noise. That is not disturbing, but it is there.
I too have the 12.17 Edge in my setup along with the Tannoy Xt8f and Denon 4400 . Port noise is definitely present with the 12.17 edge and is also distracting at times. One more downside is, this sub will not play below 19hz as I believe the protective circuit prevents this sub from going beliw 19hz. The positive points are, This sub is beautiful to begin with, The bass is tight and articulated. This sub is also good for music. Integration is good with the main speakers. Multiple tuning options along with PEQ is icing the cake. Overall, it is a good package for the money.
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Port noise is definitely present with the 12.17 edge and is also distracting at times.
Do you still get port noise with EQ switch set to REF and left port open/right closed?
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Do you still get port noise with EQ switch set to REF and left port open/right closed?
Yes, The sub is in reference mode with the left port open. I do get significant audible port noise below 30hz at loud volume. Perhaps this is the only con of this sub.
I love this sub however. Great sound, tight, articulated, fast, loud, wellbuilt and also beautiful subwoofer.
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