Originally Posted by Mick1234
I'm thinking about picking up the SVS sb 13 ultra for my home theater, but I'm not sure if it is the right choice. I want big bass I can feel for movies, and also if I'm listening to R&B or EDM, depending on my mood. It will be paired with some Keff R7s.
My living room is attached to my dining room, and the combined volume is about 5000 cubic feet. The shape of my room is shown in the attachment. Not sure if this is relevant, but the entire right and bottom walls are glass, which can be covered by a thick curtain. Floor is tiles.
Would the sb-4000 be a better fit, or perhaps something entirely different? The Kef sales guy suggested the Kube 12b to me but I think it might be underpowered, and I am not particularly interested in getting two subs. Are complex dsp room equalization features on the sub important or relevant if my avr has audyssey multeq?
Thanks in advance,
Originally Posted by Mick1234
Let's set the budget at 2.2k USD (the price of an sb13 here in Singapore). I'm open to a ported sub, as long as it works on the music side of things. I find the size of the sb13 attractive; there are a lot of places I could hide it. For a larger sub (22" cube) there are just one or two locations that might work. Preference is piano black.
Sometimes our goals, and our understanding of what it may take to achieve those goals, just aren't in alignment. When that happens, we may have to compromise somewhere. The KEF representative wasn't even in the right time zone with respect to his suggestion. An SB13 will move you much closer to achieving your stated goal of big bass you can feel, but I agree with other posters that it may still leave you wanting more.
If you can expand your budget a bit, you may be able to obtain a PB13. I know that they used to be available in Singapore. Both the piano black SB13 and the PB13 are attractive subs, although of course the PB13 is much larger. But, that larger cabinet volume, and the ports it accommodates, are what allows it to produce much
higher bass volumes than the SB13. The PB13 has a serious advantage over the SB13 below about 50Hz, and you will want that in your large space for both action movies and for some of the EDM music you mentioned. (To put the difference in context, at 20Hz a single PB13 would be able to produce as much SPL as four SB13's.)
Incidentally, your tiled floor will not convey low-bass tactile sensations very well, and a ported sub, tuned at 20Hz or lower, will help much more with that. The ports produce more particle velocity, which in turns creates the tactile sensations we feel. Those low-frequency tactile sensations are an important aspect of the overall bass experience. That is especially the case with the bass special effects in movies. We feel frequencies below about 30Hz as much as we hear them.
As mentioned in an earlier post, an alternative to the PB13 would be the new SVS PB3000. The cabinet size is just a little smaller, and that may help somewhat with the price as well, considering how the shipping costs work over there. It is also a serious performer, and would represent a substantial step-up in bass, compared to the SB13. It is, however, only available in a black oak finish.
This is where some compromise may be required, with respect to size, cost, or finish option. I believe that if you buy an SB13, you may not be satisfied, and if so, you will probably end-up spending more money than if you had simply started with a more powerful subwoofer. Of course, I could be mistaken, and your description of "big bass you can feel" may be different from what most people would mean by that. But, AVS represents a very large database of subwoofer buyers. Many other people have been in your shoes before.
If the local SVS dealer allows a free-trial period, the solution is easy. Just try whatever subwoofer you like. But, if not, I recommend buying either the PB13 or the PB3000. I believe that one of those ported models will be much more successful in satisfying your stated goals than the smaller, sealed SB13. I hope this helps!
Edit: You also asked about the subwoofer's DSP. The DSP available with the better SVS models can sometimes be helpful to you, post-calibration, to help tailor the sound a little more to your personal preferences. Audyssey will EQ the bass to be a little flatter/smoother in your room. After that, you will want to increase the volume of the subwoofer, and you may want to make some other tweaks. Increasing the subwoofer volume will be the most important thing you do after Audyssey runs. You can check-out the Guide in my signature to understand that better. The Cliff Notes at the very beginning will help to get you started.