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post #1 of 16 Old 02-23-2019, 04:18 PM - Thread Starter
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Wife approves replacing subs...need advice

Hi all,
I need some advice, suggestions.
I'm in the market for either a single or pair of subs to replace a 15 year old Paradigm PDR-12/12" sub which has an inexpensive replacement driver when the old one split and a 5 year old Paradigm PDR-100B/10" sub which I should never have bought...just not enough for the room size.
I have a total budget of $1000.00
My speakers are Paradigm Prestige 15B fronts, 45C center and latest rev Atoms for surrounds.
The avr is a Marantz 5011.
The room is roughly 14x26x8 which includes the dining area...open concept...the "HT" area is roughly 12x11x8...the sofa in the included picture is 10' from the TV and system.

My thoughts and reading of reviews, etc. have led me to the following:
SVS SB1000...I can get a pair from the outlet for $800ish
SVS PB2000...from the outlet for $700
SVS SB3000...$1000 from the retail store
Paradigm Defiance X12...$1300 retail but I can get it for $1000 from my go to shop where all my Paradigm kit came from.
HSU...ULS-15 MK2...$780 on sale from $1100 and $80 for shipping...I've not yet read reviews on this sub but will this weekend.

Max budget is $1000.
Your advice and suggestions are appreciated...thank you
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The VTF-15H is on sale for $1032 shipped. That's probably the best you'll do for $1k without going DIY.
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+1 for the VTF 15H.
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You won't beat VTF-15H for that price.
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Pulled the trigger...after one year of hemming and hawwing...bought an SVS SB3000...can't wait...

TV: Sony XBR 65X950G, AVR: Marantz SR5011, Speakers: front/Paradigm Prestige 15B bookshelf, center/Paradigm Prestige 45C, surround/Paradigm Atom, sub/SVS SB3000, DVD: LG UBK 90 UHD DVD Player, Remote: Logitech Harmony Ultimate Home
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Pulled the trigger...after one year of hemming and hawwing...bought an SVS SB3000...can't wait...
Make sure to buy something nice for the wife for her to get over the shock with the size of the sub. You will be happy with the HSU.

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Pulled the trigger...after one year of hemming and hawwing...bought an SVS SB3000...can't wait...
Sounds like you made up your mind even before you asked the question. I'm a fan of SVS subs but the HSU is hard to bet at that price.
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Gotta love when people ask for advice and then completely ignore it, despite a unanimous answer.
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Gotta love when people ask for advice and then completely ignore it, despite a unanimous answer.
I don't care much he did'nt go for the VTF, however I am surprised he went with a sealed sub instead of ported for a HT system with a room that big.

I'm curious if the SB3000 will be enough for that space. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I would not have gone with a sealed sub in your situation. Good thing about SVS is the free audition period. As has been mentioned, the HSU VTF-15H mk2 was the card to play in this hand. It's both a ported and sealed sub.
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I decided on the SVS SB3000 after reading multiple reviews of the subs suggested as well as very many postings on this site.
Me video/audio area is roughly 1000 cubic feet within this area.
If I don't like the 3k, as has been stated, I can and will return it.

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I decided on the SVS SB3000 after reading multiple reviews of the subs suggested as well as very many postings on this site.
Me video/audio area is roughly 1000 cubic feet within this area.
If I don't like the 3k, as has been stated, I can and will return it.
you will end up with the ported ,trust me
i did the sb-4000 thing for a few weeks, and ended up with the pb-4000
its just so much more sub, and just as tight as the sb
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I decided on the SVS SB3000 after reading multiple reviews of the subs suggested as well as very many postings on this site.
Me video/audio area is roughly 1000 cubic feet within this area.
If I don't like the 3k, as has been stated, I can and will return it.
If it is truly an open concept, so essentially one room and not an opening between rooms, then the HT area is not very relevant since it doesn't have its own boundaries and it's the whole ~3000 cuft space that counts. The vast majority of folks find that in that size space ported is much preferred as you won't get much room gain from the very low end on a sealed sub so you will be missing a good amount of low end output for HT. The SB-3000 may still sound very good and better than what you have but you may not know what you are missing without comparing to a ported sub. It may be worthwhile also ordering the PB-3000 to compare both and then keep the one you like best.
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Here's another good one for music/HT double duty when you eventually decide on a ported sub.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FVX15.html

5 years on driver warranty but only 3 years on amp but from what I understand the repairs (if needed) are really cheap.
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I decided on the SVS SB3000 after reading multiple reviews of the subs suggested as well as very many postings on this site.
Me video/audio area is roughly 1000 cubic feet within this area.
If I don't like the 3k, as has been stated, I can and will return it.
You will love the SB3000 for the fact that it is a great sub and a step up from your paradigm. The SB3000 is smaller than most other subs so maybe that played into your decision but I just can not see someone picking that sub for your space unless you have a sub size restriction.

Did you even talk to SVS about your space and needs. I guess it will come down to the fact that you will not know what you are missing.

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The SB3000 is actually, surprisingly super close to the older SB13Ultra (its successor the SB4000 has a ~2db output advantage at the 30hz region).

I just helped a friend implement the SB3000 in addition to his older SB13U, and I was really surprised how easy it was to get them to work together. It took like just a couple measurements to figure out what to adjust on the SB3000 and, that was it - done within an hour! This suggests that not only the output difference wasn't very significant, but also that other things like THD is also pretty close between them.

So if you consider that, the SB3000 is quite a noticeable step up against the SB2000. I know, because I still have a pair of SB2000s which I really like in a small room. Is there a better sealed sub at around the price of the SB3000? Yes - the HSU ULS15 exists and that mops the smirk off even the SB4000. If you don't care about anything else like after sales service (not saying Hsu isn't good, but SVS IS better), get the ULS15 from Hsu instead. The SB3000 is still a great sub though and I think SVS has made the right choice in actually making it nearly as good as the older SB13U.
You can use the Data-Bass info of the SB-13 to compare to other subs.
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You will love the SB3000 for the fact that it is a great sub and a step up from your paradigm. The SB3000 is smaller than most other subs so maybe that played into your decision but I just can not see someone picking that sub for your space unless you have a sub size restriction.

Did you even talk to SVS about your space and needs. I guess it will come down to the fact that you will not know what you are missing.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57326358


You can use the Data-Bass info of the SB-13 to compare to other subs.
Moving to a smaller home in the near future upon retirement in several months...will have a smaller room dedicated to the audio/video kit so my wife can have a "living room" where people can sit and talk.

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