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Replacement for a Velodyne DD15

I am experiencing an upgrade bug, or maybe more appropriately, a “change” bug so I’ve been looking at a possible replacement for my DD15 which is now about 12 years old. I also have an opportunity to sell my DD15 locally which means I wouldn’t need to ship it which is a huge plus. I’m not sure I can actually improve the performance much, but some of the new features offer some convenience, such as the SVS app. Based on that, obviously, I’ve looked at SVS. JL Audio is another brand that has my interest. Some details are as follows:

My budget would be <$2500 (preferably <$2000).

My room is approximately 1900 cubic feet (17 ft x 14 ft x 8 ft).

I prefer a sealed sub to have a smaller footprint. No larger than my Velodyne which is roughly 18” cubed.

I use it almost exclusively for TV/movies as I have a separate dedicated system for music.

My receiver is a Yamaha 3070, so it has its own room correction/bass management, so not necessary to have within the sub.

Prefer to have something available in gloss piano black to match my Paradigm Signature speakers.

I’ve looked at the SVS SB-3000 and SB-4000, but not sure either would be an improvement acoustically over the DD.

I’m not sure what else I can offer, but feel free to ask. Unfortunately, I’m not in a location that allows me to test various subs, especially in this price range, so I am putting a lot of faith in reviews and the smart people of this forum.

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I think it'll be tough to find an 18" cubed sub for "<$2500 (preferably <$2000)" that rivals your DD15.

So I'll suggest the Rythmik F18-SE:
- ~20" cubed;
- 18" driver;
- 900W (RMS/continuous) amp;
- piano-black finish
- $1,850, shipped
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Having had a Velodyne SPL1200R i can say it was a potent sub for it's compact size. The DD-15 as well. I think to get a worthy step up staying sealed and you could bump your size requirements by 2" all around, something like a piano black Rythmik F-18 would put a smile on your face, and it too is servo controlled.

The JL i dont think will fall in your budget. The SVS i think may be more of a lateral move. Just my 2cents.


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Ooops, I just noticed that the OP is in Canada. After shipping, exchange and taxes ( ) that F18-SE may no longer fall within budget.

A couple of options at Gibby's:
- Paradigm SUB 15 (new w/ full warranty) for ~$1,900 (CAD). Unfortunately, they only have 'em in rosenut and cherry.
- For $50 less, there's the Paradigm Defiance X15 in Satin Black.
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Ooops, I just noticed that the OP is in Canada. After shipping, exchange and taxes ( ) that F18-SE may no longer fall within budget.

A couple of options at Gibby's:
- Paradigm SUB 15 (new w/ full warranty) for ~$1,900 (CAD). Unfortunately, they only have 'em in rosenut and cherry.
- For $50 less, there's the Paradigm Defiance X15 in Satin Black.
Rythmik is one of the least expensive ID companies to ship to Canada, but the dreaded Canadian $$$ and duty will add close to a grand. If the $2500 budget could be bumped to $2800 that should be close to landed cost for an awesome sub. Otherwise i agree the Paradigm would be a decent compromise, not sure how much better than the Velodyne it will be though.

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Thanks all. You’re quickly convincing me to stick with my Velo! I wouldn’t mind a lateral move for newer tech and well (something newer), but perhaps it’s not worth changing. It is a hell of a sub, but you all know how the upgrade bug works! The Rythmik is of interest, and I would not mind spending more if I thought I was getting significantly more sub.

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Thanks all. You’re quickly convincing me to stick with my Velo! I wouldn’t mind a lateral move for newer tech and well (something newer), but perhaps it’s not worth changing. It is a hell of a sub, but you all know how the upgrade bug works! The Rythmik is of interest, and I would not mind spending more if I thought I was getting significantly more sub.
Yes many of us (myself included) have been bitten quite badly by that bug. You would need to step up your budget to get a significant improvement over your DD-15 and stay in a relatively compact package.

If you decide to go for it, check out:

Deep Sea Sound- their marina 18" is a ridicules beast and about as much output as your going to find in a small cabinet.

PSA's- S-3611 or S-3010 also nuts,,,, dual opposed drivers 18"/15"

The dual opposed driver subs will be a bit larger but no where near their ported brothers.

Rythmiks G25HP dual opposed 15" drivers or F-18 single 18"

The Marina 18" is within your size limit and is very potent. 4000 watts RMS .

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Yes many of us (myself included) have been bitten quite badly by that bug. You would need to step up your budget to get a significant improvement over your DD-15 and stay in a relatively compact package.

If you decide to go for it, check out:

Deep Sea Sound- their marina 18" is a ridicules beast and about as much output as your going to find in a small cabinet.

PSA's- S-3611 or S-3010 also nuts,,,, dual opposed drivers 18"/15"

The dual opposed driver subs will be a bit larger but no where near their ported brothers.

Rythmiks G25HP dual opposed 15" drivers or F-18 single 18"

The Marina 18" is within your size limit and is very potent. 4000 watts RMS .

just thought i'd stir the pot
Stir away! Suggestions welcome.

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Yes many of us (myself included) have been bitten quite badly by that bug. You would need to step up your budget to get a significant improvement over your DD-15 and stay in a relatively compact package.

If you decide to go for it, check out:

Deep Sea Sound- their marina 18" is a ridicules beast and about as much output as your going to find in a small cabinet.

PSA's- S-3611 or S-3010 also nuts,,,, dual opposed drivers 18"/15"

The dual opposed driver subs will be a bit larger but no where near their ported brothers.

Rythmiks G25HP dual opposed 15" drivers or F-18 single 18"

The Marina 18" is within your size limit and is very potent. 4000 watts RMS .

just thought i'd stir the pot

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I have an opportunity to get a Paradigm Studio Sub 15 in my price range. It’s not servo DSP controlled like my DD15, but otherwise, any thoughts?

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I couldn't find much on the Paradigm Studio Sub 15. I think you were on the right track with the SVS SB-4000. It has a remote control like your DD-15. If you want to get some idea of how the Velo DD's compare to other subs check out the web site data-bass. They have the test results on the Velo DD-18+ among many others.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised with the SVS SB-4000. Don't forget SVS gives you 45 days to return it for full credit if you don't like it. Also in your price range is the SVS SB16 Ultra which may be more like your DD-15 than the SB-4000.

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I have an opportunity to get a Paradigm Studio Sub 15 in my price range. It’s not servo DSP controlled like my DD15, but otherwise, any thoughts?
It's a good sub, but i don't see much in the 15" or less sealed in Canada that will be a nice step up from your Velodyne other than maybe a variance in the sound signature. If you don't mind a lateral move to get something new the SVS, Paradigm, JL if you can find one in your price range will be quality sub choices. If you up your max budget from $2500 to around 3+K the Deep Sea Sound Marina 18" will knock your socks off and smoke the Velodyne. Just depends on whether you want something new that sounds as good as you Velodyne, or you want a big performance upgrade (and new).

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I get you're size conscious and the answer's probably no, but do you have room for a second sub somewhere? If it out of the way you might have more finish options. Pairing a second sub with what you have already would provide an opportunity for a performance upgrade instead of a lateral move, maybe at a reasonable cost.


What you have is nice and you don't seem dissatisfied with it, which makes suggestions difficult. I'm not even sure if you're looking for a performance upgrade. Yes the SVS app is handy, but you already seem to like the bass management you have available and for most people once they get their sub dialed in, that's pretty much the end of it. It's tough (for me anyway) to recommend the effort and expense of replacement just for something like that. It's more of a swing feature if you're starting fresh.


Spyboy's point about the SVS free trial is worth noting, you could keep the DD15 and give the SVS's a shot. You'll either think the change is worth it or not, but even if not you might lose the upgrade urge. There's value in that too.
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I get you're size conscious and the answer's probably no, but do you have room for a second sub somewhere? If it out of the way you might have more finish options. Pairing a second sub with what you have already would provide an opportunity for a performance upgrade instead of a lateral move, maybe at a reasonable cost.


What you have is nice and you don't seem dissatisfied with it, which makes suggestions difficult. I'm not even sure if you're looking for a performance upgrade. Yes the SVS app is handy, but you already seem to like the bass management you have available and for most people once they get their sub dialed in, that's pretty much the end of it. It's tough (for me anyway) to recommend the effort and expense of replacement just for something like that. It's more of a swing feature if you're starting fresh.


Spyboy's point about the SVS free trial is worth noting, you could keep the DD15 and give the SVS's a shot. You'll either think the change is worth it or not, but even if not you might lose the upgrade urge. There's value in that too.
Thanks. Unfortunately, not much room to add another sub, at least at this point. That being said, I’ve decided to stick with the DD as it appears not much out there that equals it without spending much more than I’m willing to.

Thanks for everyone’s input anyway. It helped me re-evaluate things and my need (want) to change things up.

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Have you taken any measurements (see sig)?
Do you have any form of eq?
You may be able to make enough changes with your existing sub without replacing it.

Umik/REW and miniDSP are an unbeatable combo.
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Have you taken any measurements (see sig)?
Do you have any form of eq?
You may be able to make enough changes with your existing sub without replacing it.

Umik/REW and miniDSP are an unbeatable combo.
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Per my original post, it was merely an urge for a change, not because I’m dissatisfied with the sub. Quite the contrary, the DD15 is a phenomenal sub. And, yes, it is completely setup and calibrated for my system and room.

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Then "improving" it will be quite a challenge.
You may have to "settle" for what you have.

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Then "improving" it will be quite a challenge.
You may have to "settle" for what you have.

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Again, I wasn’t necessarily looking for an improvement. I had a “change” bug and was looking for suggestions. As indicated above, after input from other members above and additional research, I’ve decided to keep the DD15 so yes, if you want to call it “settling”.

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Hence the quotes and big grin - not "settling" at all!
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Thanks all. You’re quickly convincing me to stick with my Velo! I wouldn’t mind a lateral move for newer tech and well (something newer), but perhaps it’s not worth changing. It is a hell of a sub, but you all know how the upgrade bug works! The Rythmik is of interest, and I would not mind spending more if I thought I was getting significantly more sub.
I also have a DD15 and it is a very good sub.

If I was to replace it I'd go with dual Rhythmik 300 watt L12 sealed servo subs at $539 each which according to Rhythmik's own numbers should equal the output of a single $1280 sealed servo F15HP with a 15" woofer and 600 watt amp.

The new Martin Logan sealed subs with built in Anthem Room Correction are also on my radar should a replacement be necessary.

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I also have a DD15 and my recent "upgrade" was to buy a 2nd used DD15 to better equalize the bass response for the various seating location in our home theater. The addition of a 2nd DD15 plus REW analysis coupled with the very capable equalization capability of the DD15, 8 bands parametric EQ with variable frequency and Q, really was a significant upgrade.

The DD15s are keepers.

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I also have a DD15 and my recent "upgrade" was to buy a 2nd used DD15 to better equalize the bass response for the various seating location in our home theater. The addition of a 2nd DD15 plus REW analysis coupled with the very capable equalization capability of the DD15, 8 bands parametric EQ with variable frequency and Q, really was a significant upgrade.

The DD15s are keepers.
They are but my amp/EQ board repair at an authorized center for my 9 year old DD15 cost $675.

Note to the OP if he wants other options down the road.

Paradigm out of Canada also has ARC on their newest subs.

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They are but my amp/EQ board repair at an authorized center for my 9 year old DD15 cost $675.

Note to the OP if he wants other options down the road.

Paradigm out of Canada also has ARC on their newest subs.

https://www.avsforum.com/paradigm-de...dsp-subwoofer/
I had to replace the amp on my first DD15 a few years ago as one of the electrolytic capacitors was leaking badly and there was a noticeable hum coming for it. I guess if it happens again, I may try to replace the cap myself, but I am hoping for a few more good years out of it. Getting a second used one was certainly the cheapest, and for now best way, to get to matching dual subs, and fortunately the "new" sub works well.
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I had to replace the amp on my first DD15 a few years ago as one of the electrolytic capacitors was leaking badly and there was a noticeable hum coming for it. I guess if it happens again, I may try to replace the cap myself, but I am hoping for a few more good years out of it. Getting a second used one was certainly the cheapest, and for now best way, to get to matching dual subs, and fortunately the "new" sub works well.
They are very good subs, no question.

My ULD15 lasted 20 years and Velodyne offered me a DD15 for just 25 percent of msrp as they could no longer fix the ULD15; a very nice gesture that, sadly, Velodoyne would never make today.

Enjoy your duals.
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I am experiencing an upgrade bug, or maybe more appropriately, a “change” bug so I’ve been looking at a possible replacement for my DD15 which is now about 12 years old. I also have an opportunity to sell my DD15 locally which means I wouldn’t need to ship it which is a huge plus. I’m not sure I can actually improve the performance much, but some of the new features offer some convenience, such as the SVS app. Based on that, obviously, I’ve looked at SVS. JL Audio is another brand that has my interest.
SVS SB-16 Ultra or PB-16 Ultra, depending upon whether you want sealed or ported.

If they're too expensive, SVS has them in sale in their factory outlet a couple times per year.

I picked up a PB-16 Ultra for movies and it replaced a DD-18 which it outperforms admirably except for the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow where I have port chuffing issues.
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A more aggressive high pass filter would solve that. EoT goes down really low to instill a sense of panic. It works; most of us panic when our subs start to bounce around.
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