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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?
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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?
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Fly me out to Hawaii and I will carry and calibrate... I think another duplicate 10" sub is the best move for you with that size listening area. 2 subs should work well.

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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?

Nothing beats the below around $800. I would not do another 10” sub in that space. I would get one bigger 12” or 15” and eventually do another one when possible.

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Would also consider these as well.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15mk2.html

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Nothing beats the below around $800. I would not do another 10” sub in that space. I would get one bigger 12” or 15” and eventually do another one when possible.

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If "EliteNewbie" is in Hawaii, I wonder what the shipping cost would be? Hsu's standard shipping rate only applies to the lower 48.
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I’m in Texas not Hawaii! Thanks all, I thought the HSU 15” sub was probably what I should get but thought maybe there was something else I didn’t know about.
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I’m in Texas not Hawaii! Thanks all, I thought the HSU 15” sub was probably what I should get but thought maybe there was something else I didn’t know about.
Texas? You have my deepest sympathy.

(I spent 11 years of my life in Tucson, and vowed to never spend another summer in the Southwest. I have also visited Austin in the summer.)

You may be hard pressed to do better than a VTF-3 Mk5 or VTF-15H for the money. They are both heavy, though. I haven't weighed a VTF-3, but the manual claims 76 lbs. Combined with its bulk, it was about as much as I cared to handle alone. The VTF-15H Mk2, 95 lbs.
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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?
One of the best investments I made was for the furniture sliders to place under the feet. My PB12 Plus is 129lbs, so they helped out alot.
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I love my monolith 10 from monoprice which is 500 bucks.
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I love my monolith 10 from monoprice which is 500 bucks.
Would that compete with a 15"/600W model?
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Would that compete with a 15"/600W model?

I was just about to redo my post and suggest the 15 monolith but weight would be an issue still with either sub id imagine...forgive my lack of reading
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[QUOTE=stngray72;58131166]I was just about to redo my post and suggest the 15 monolith but weight would be an issue still with either sub id imagine...forgive my lack of reading[/QUOTE
I can move it from the garage (the typical delivery drop off place) into the house with a Dolly, once in the house, I can make a clear path to keep wheeling it into the corner where I have my Klipsch sub now. Unbox it and slide it into position. What I won’t do if it’s that heavy is the sub crawl, too much moving there. But really this corner is about the only place to put it so it will have to work
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I was just about to redo my post and suggest the 15 monolith but weight would be an issue still with either sub id imagine...forgive my lack of reading[/QUOTE
I can move it from the garage (the typical delivery drop off place) into the house with a Dolly, once in the house, I can make a clear path to keep wheeling it into the corner where I have my Klipsch sub now. Unbox it and slide it into position. What I won’t do if it’s that heavy is the sub crawl, too much moving there. But really this corner is about the only place to put it so it will have to work

At least you arent like me with cerebral palsy where i walk with one crutch and push with one arm haha.......good thing I worked out all this time.
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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?
Here's my best suggestion, get the best single sub for now within your budget.
Than enjoy for now, and start saving for a second one due to your fairly large room. You will need a second eventfully, but do not cheap out by trying to get two subs now
All from personal experience!!!
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$800 for a single sub, is a good budget and will let others chime in on suggestion's.


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Wait and keep an eye out on trade ins to PSA (Power Sound Audio). They are releasing a new sub line and the suspicion is they will get a lot of the older models in trade in over the next month or so. When they re-sell these trade ins they still come with a fresh 5 year warranty from date of your purchase. You may be able to get a performer normally out of your price range in range. As @d-rail34 mentioned, furniture sliders. Best $10 you can spend with large heavy subs you need to move. Being the room is on the same level as the garage and you mentioned you have a dolly, with the sliders your weight limit gets a lot more flexible.
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Would also consider these as well.

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http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15mk2.html

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I would agree with those who mentioned Hsu. I just upgraded to dual ULS-15 MK2’s from a single 12” Hsu sub and I couldn’t be happier. My room is 18x14x11, open to 2 other rooms, and those 2 subs rock the house! They aren’t to big at 18” cubes and weigh only 65lbs.

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Wait and keep an eye out on trade ins to PSA (Power Sound Audio). They are releasing a new sub line and the suspicion is they will get a lot of the older models in trade in over the next month or so. When they re-sell these trade ins they still come with a fresh 5 year warranty from date of your purchase. You may be able to get a performer normally out of your price range in range. As @d-rail34 mentioned, furniture sliders. Best $10 you can spend with large heavy subs you need to move. Being the room is on the same level as the garage and you mentioned you have a dolly, with the sliders your weight limit gets a lot more flexible.
Hsu recommends sliding their subs around on a small throw rug. Obviously, that only works on a bare floor.

I bought a VTF-3 Mk5. I found that moving it required more planning than one of the 10" models (A VTF-1 Mk 2 weigh 43 lbs.), but I managed it alone. Maybe not recommended for 100 lb. people, or people with health issues.
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Excellent idea! I would have recommended a PSA sub but for the 800.00 price cap.

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Not a single post asking what the intended use is?

What would you say your percentage will be for movies vs music?

With that said, at this price point, the HSU probably can't be beat and is great in a hybrid system.

If the priority is tilted towards music, I would consider Rythmik.
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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?
These are what you need.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-a...p-3200-x2.html

You have narrowed yourself down saying it can't weigh 100lbs yet you have a massive room to fill. So Maybe a Monolith 12 as it has good output and under 100lbs. If I was you I would look for 2 used subs since your room is so big.

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I need to shop (online) for a new sub. I have a large room, 18 x25 w/17’ ceilings. I currently have l/r rp600m, RP500C and rp150m surrounds. I also have a Klipsch 10” sub that sounds ok to my simple taste. The listening area is 9’ and I listen at moderate volume. I just know I can do a lot better in a sub. My only issue is that I am female and have to be able to manage getting it in the house. Delivery will leave it on the floor of my garage. I have a dolly and no steps to contend with but I can’t deal with one that weighs 100 lb., that is more important than my budget which is give or take $800. Suggestions?

Since weight is an issue my vote would be for Uls 15mk2 * http://hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15mk2.html

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Hsu recommends sliding their subs around on a small throw rug. Obviously, that only works on a bare floor.

I bought a VTF-3 Mk5. I found that moving it required more planning than one of the 10" models (A VTF-1 Mk 2 weigh 43 lbs.), but I managed it alone. Maybe not recommended for 100 lb. people, or people with health issues.
While I cannot disagree on this one, I manage to move two PB13 (150lb each, from memory) years ago on my own.
I am one of those smaller weight people, been 128lb for many years.
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While I cannot disagree on this one, I manage to move two PB13 (150lb each, from memory) years ago on my own.
I am one of those smaller weight people, been 128lb for many years.
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If you could pick up a 150 lb sub, I'd be impressed. (Not necessarily surprised. I've known a few wiry guys over the years.)

I could lift one of the VTF-3 MK5s, but it was bulky enough that I wasn't thrilled with carrying it any distance, at a mere 76 lbs.

My most recent employer banned lifts over 25 lbs. That's a little ridiculous for healthy adult males. (No misogynist here; men average more upper body strength than women.)
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If you could pick up a 150 lb sub, I'd be impressed. (Not necessarily surprised. I've known a few wiry guys over the years.)

I could lift one of the VTF-3 MK5s, but it was bulky enough that I wasn't thrilled with carrying it any distance, at a mere 76 lbs.

My most recent employer banned lifts over 25 lbs. That's a little ridiculous for healthy adult males. (No misogynist here; men average more upper body strength than women.)
I havnt yet but am planning on ordering a VTF-3 MK5. I weigh 103 and am 72 and female but I lift 50 lb feed sacks every week from my truck to storage shed for my goat/chicken feed so am used to ‘somewhat’ heavy items. No way 100 lb tho. I also am a master with moving heavy items around my house with a small throw rug such as a heavy dresser to another room. My floors are hardwood/tile and no step ups anywhere so I am thinking I can manage. Thanks again for all of you that took your time to respond
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While I cannot disagree on this one, I manage to move two PB13 (150lb each, from memory) years ago on my own.
I am one of those smaller weight people, been 128lb for many years.
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If you could pick up a 150 lb sub, I'd be impressed. (Not necessarily surprised. I've known a few wiry guys over the years.)

I could lift one of the VTF-3 MK5s, but it was bulky enough that I wasn't thrilled with carrying it any distance, at a mere 76 lbs.

My most recent employer banned lifts over 25 lbs. That's a little ridiculous for healthy adult males. (No misogynist here; men average more upper body strength than women.)
It's not ridiculous when you consider that 25lbs can become a real problem when done repetitively for hours. Especially when someone tries to take shortcuts and twists, bends, etc.
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I havnt yet but am planning on ordering a VTF-3 MK5. I weigh 103 and am 72 and female but I lift 50 lb feed sacks every week from my truck to storage shed for my goat/chicken feed so am used to ‘somewhat’ heavy items. No way 100 lb tho. I also am a master with moving heavy items around my house with a small throw rug such as a heavy dresser to another room. My floors are hardwood/tile and no step ups anywhere so I am thinking I can manage. Thanks again for all of you that took your time to respond
You sound like a formidable person. (Not a particle of sarcasm in that.)

How I got a VTF-3 out of the box without strain, while keeping the box intact:

(Gently) turn it upside down. That will do no harm. (At least, it didn't for me.)

Cut the tapes.

Fold the flaps back on the sides of the box. Tape them in place.

Turn the box right-side up.

Lift the box off the sub.

(Et voila.)

I just hope that I never have to re-box them to send them back. I could do it, but I doubt that I'd enjoy it.
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It's not ridiculous when you consider that 25lbs can become a real problem when done repetitively for hours. Especially when someone tries to take shortcuts and twists, bends, etc.
I can see that.

However, I'm unaware of any assembly lines in the building.

The company had over 150k employees world wide, and they applied the same policies everywhere, quite unselectively.

The main effect that I noticed from the 25 lb limit was that they had to stop using 5 gallon jugs in the water coolers, and switch to 3 gallon.

An employee somewhere else in the world got a glove caught in some rotating machinery (a lathe, or similar) and suffered a severe hand injury. Corporate decree: no gloves near rotating equipment. In the plant where I worked, opticians wore latex gloves while making precision optics, to protect the optics as well as their hands. The new rule was unhelpful.

Elsewhere, someone wanted to take an empty steel drum home. He tried to cut the lid off with a oxy-acetylene torch. And found that the drum wasn't empty; it had contained a highly flammable solvent. The vapor exploded. I don't know how badly he was injured, but there was another decree: nothing goes home with employees. The plant is no longer a source of cardboard boxes or bubble wrap. The boxes may have been recycled (not re-used), but the bubble wrap was probably discarded. The shipping department didn't have the space, or inclination, to retain that stuff.

Nothing major here, but the message was: employees can't be trusted to use judgement. The most capable people don't like that sort of paternalism. (I was OK with it; I was never that capable.)

(No, I am not a Libertarian, or anything similar.)
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