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Which single 15 - HSU or PSA?

Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.

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Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.

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VTF3 is the best "value".

VTF15 and V1510 for all practical purposes will be nearly identical in performance or at least close enough that you would probably not ever hear a difference.

In order for the VTF 15 to match the tune of the PSA you have to plug one port increasing the chance of chuffing. The PSA was designed to operate to its port tune with a single port.

PSA CS is about the best you're going to find and their warranty is longer with trade in options.

Personally I would go with the PSA.

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Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.



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I personally prefer the variable tuning of the HSU and satin black finish to the sand paper finish of the PSA.


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Just curious if the Mono 15 ever worked properly before you sent it back and if so how did you like it?
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The variable tuning in this instance doesn't mean much sine the V1510 is tuned the same as the VTF with one port plugged and probably matches the output of the VTF with both ports open or close enough not to be noticeable. The finish, once the lights are off nobody notices.

I have my PC12+ in the front left corner of my 13x14 room and hardly anyone even notices that it's there. And it's 3'tall
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The variable tuning in this instance doesn't mean much sine the V1510 is tuned the same as the VTF with one port plugged and probably matches the output of the VTF with both ports open or close enough not to be noticeable. The finish, once the lights are off nobody notices.



I have my PC12+ in the front left corner of my 13x14 room and hardly anyone even notices that it's there. And it's 3'tall


Although you can’t run the PSA sealed. Correct?


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Just curious if the Mono 15 ever worked properly before you sent it back and if so how did you like it?
I never had mine work properly, but it was a beast. After the hassle of repackaging and taking time off for freight pickup, I didn't want to deal with the company anymore, even though they made it easy. I had such high hopes after what I had heard, but I ran into a few others with the same issue, so i opted not to get a replacement.

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Although you can’t run the PSA sealed. Correct?


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Correct. I suspect that the vast majority of owners didn't buy a giant ported box just to seal it. But it is an option that the PSA doesn't offer.
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In order for the VTF 15 to match the tune of the PSA you have to plug one port increasing the chance of chuffing. The PSA was designed to operate to its port tune with a single port.
Yes, this ↑.
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Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.

Thanks!
Fortunately, you have good timing. A lot of PSA owners will be trading in subs on the new low-tuned TV36 sub in the next few weeks. This means there will be a lot of options in the PSA outlet soon at great prices.
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True, I'm sending in a pair of V1510DF less than a year old. They've been listed here for about a month without any action, and I'm too lazy to bother with other avenues of sale, so I'm using the awesome PSA trade-in program.
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True, I'm sending in a pair of V1510DF less than a year old. They've been listed here for about a month without any action, and I'm too lazy to bother with other avenues of sale, so I'm using the awesome PSA trade-in program.
How did you like the DF version?

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Fortunately, you have good timing. A lot of PSA owners will be trading in subs on the new low-tuned TV36 sub in the next few weeks. This means there will be a lot of options in the PSA outlet soon at great prices.
I was actually thinking about this as I followed the PSA thread update, Maybe I can step up to an V1811.
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Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.

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How did you like the DF version?
They sound great. I used to have a pair of V1811 with them, and I was honestly surprised as how well the V1510DF did once they were the only subs left in the system. I like that they're pretty pet/kid safe due to the driver being underneath. Now, if PSA would just sell amp covers that protect all those tempting dials and wires..
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I was actually thinking about this as I followed the PSA thread update, Maybe I can step up to an 1811.
PSA has the sealed S1811, and also the ported V1811. You probably meant the ported 1811...
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PSA has the sealed S1811, and also the ported V1811. You probably meant the ported 1811...
Yes, the V1811

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I have a 15X13 HT. It's an extra bedroom in my modest home. When running Audyssey, it had me turn down the VTF3-5 down to almost the minimal the volume dial would go to hit 75 db. I ran it with both ports open and bumped the gain on the AVR +3 db. It sounded good. A very experienced friend came in and started walking the room, clapping, reciting a sentence ad nauseam looking for reflection points. He pointed those out where I need acoustic treatment. Then we fired everything up and he heard the sub rip. Immediately he had me plug the 3" port, and I set it back to EQ1. Then we ignored Audyssey, put the gain back to 0 db on the sub in the AVR. Then he had me increase volume on the back of the sub. It now rips, and I mean rips. It should work well for you. The tuning options make it an incredible value. Best of luck.
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Long story short. Owned a PB 2000, upgraded to a Monolith 15 which I sent back due to amp issues. Basement flooded and I am starting over. Area is 17'-10' 8 foot ceilings with 8x10 open area on the other side bihind a large pillar. Was carpeted floor, but will now be wood laminate. There is only room for a single sub. I was looking at HSU VTF 15H, VTF-3 MK5 or the PSA V1510. Probably place in back corner away from open area, or front left where SVS was. 75% movies 25% music.

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I would consider the Outlaw as well...maybe not quite in the league with the other subs, but often forgotten.
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VTF3 is the best "value".

VTF15 and V1510 for all practical purposes will be nearly identical in performance or at least close enough that you would probably not ever hear a difference.

In order for the VTF 15 to match the tune of the PSA you have to plug one port increasing the chance of chuffing. The PSA was designed to operate to its port tune with a single port.

PSA CS is about the best you're going to find and their warranty is longer with trade in options.

Personally I would go with the PSA.
I do agree that they are pretty similar in performance. The VTF-15H Mk2 is tuned to 16-17 Hz with one port open and 22 Hz with two ports open, plays from 200 Hz to 16 Hz +/- 2 dB in one port open mode. While, yes when you seal off one port on the VTF-15H Mk2 it would likely make you more susceptible to port chuffing vs two ports open, it's still a 4.5" equivalent triangular port, so that's nothing to scoff at.

While two ports open does raise the tuning it may actually work out better depending on your preference and your room acoustic interactions. For example, in our demo room, if we ran with one port open, we wound up getting a 7 dB boost from 16-20 Hz. With two ports open, the sub gave a flat in room response down to 15 Hz and it now has two ports moving the air.
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I would throw my line in again and get another Monolith THX Ultra 15. Either of these options considered will be a step down in performance.

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I would throw my line in again and get another Monolith THX Ultra 15. Either of these options considered will be a step down in performance.
It's also in a different price class. You start looking at PSA V1811 and Rythmik FV15HP and the Monolith 15 doesn't look as good, especially with their reputation for defective subs and so-so service.
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It's also in a different price class. You start looking at PSA V1811 and Rythmik FV15HP and the Monolith 15 doesn't look as good, especially with their reputation for defective subs and so-so service.
Agreed. I got my Monolith for $1039 shipped after 20% off, which is why I pulled the trigger. I want to keep it closer to $1100 for now, because I will add a second when we move. If I am heading into the $1400+ range its going to be an 18.

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I'm a big fan of Hsu, I think they make great products, and nearly unbeatable products for the money. Their satin finish is extremely nice. I have had their bookshelf speakers for LCR for quite a few years and have been very happy with them especially considering their cost.

However, one thing that I don't think gets quite enough credit is PSA's devotion to making their products in the USA. They could lower the cost of their product or raise profit margins quite a bit if they chose to have their product made in China. I think people should decide if this is important to them and, if so, vote with their wallets.
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It's also in a different price class. You start looking at PSA V1811 and Rythmik FV15HP and the Monolith 15 doesn't look as good, especially with their reputation for defective subs and so-so service.

Monoprice runs sales from time to time, so being patient can get you a good price, sometimes $260 off. None of the other big ID companies ever throw a 20% off on their new stock. The Monolith subs don't have a bad reputation, nor do they have so-so service. Their main drawback is if something goes wrong you have to ship the entire sub back. I had to ship my HSU VTF-15H mk2 back to HSU and it wasn't any big deal. The main competitor to the Monolith 15 is the Rythmik FV15HP for $100 more.
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Monoprice runs sales from time to time, so being patient can get you a good price, sometimes $260 off. None of the other big ID companies ever throw a 20% off on their new stock. The Monolith subs don't have a bad reputation, nor do they have so-so service. Their main drawback is if something goes wrong you have to ship the entire sub back. I had to ship my HSU VTF-15H mk2 back to HSU and it wasn't any big deal. The main competitor to the Monolith 15 is the Rythmik FV15HP for $100 more.
I was not talking negative at all. I looked at Monolith because of what I had read. I know every company has issues, from SVS on down. I just had a rough time because unboxing that beast with my wife was rough, and she hurt her wrist helping me repack that behemoth with the lack of feet on it with any kind of carpet, not to mention the 3 week process for return and freight set up. I have never had to deal with that before. At the time I had issues, there seemed to be more than a handful on various forums with the same amp issue. Then the basement flooded and I was just done.

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I was not talking negative at all. I looked at Monolith because of what I had read. I know every company has issues, from SVS on down. I just had a rough time because unboxing that beast with my wife was rough, and she hurt her wrist helping me repack that behemoth with the lack of feet on it with any kind of carpet, not to mention the 3 week process for return and freight set up. I have never had to deal with that before. At the time I had issues, there seemed to be more than a handful on various forums with the same amp issue. Then the basement flooded and I was just done.
Next sub you get, make unboxing easy. Open the top. Fold the flaps back. Flip the box upside down. Lift the box off. You can re-box the same way.
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yes, we have had rain like no other this spring in Iowa! If it rain one more time, I was going to start building a big boat and gathering animals in pairs!
I would consider the Outlaw as well...maybe not quite in the league with the other subs, but often forgotten.
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I have looked at them, I have an Outlaw amp and love it. Midwest flooding sucks, especially on the Iowa river. Family friend owns the Wig and Pen. Go Hawks!

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I do agree that they are pretty similar in performance. yes when you seal off one port on the VTF-15H Mk2 it would likely make you more susceptible to port chuffing vs two ports open, it's still a 4.5" equivalent triangular port, so that's nothing to scoff at.
There's a big difference between port area and laminar air flow potential. As I'm sure most realize a circle(tube) is ideal. A shape with three sharp corners...not so much.. I remember the old ms3 sub with the original dual triangle design circa(1999?)...Nousaine measured it and he found it did well in that regard but it was tuned much higher too of course.

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