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Rythmik E15 versus SVS SB-4000 versus Martin Logan Dynamo 1600X

Looking for some input to replace my REL Strata III. It's been a great sub but our new home needs something with a bit more oomph!

I set an email to Rythmik a few days ago and hadn't got a reply so I thought I'd post here. I have a 3.1 setup and plan to remain there. Not much for home theater, just TV and few random movies. I do like listening to music at loud volumes on occasion and with the large open space we have, even my B&W 803's need some support. As you can see in the photos, the house is an open floor plan and continues to the dining room and hallway, 10ft celings too



My REL subwoofer can be seen directly behind the black recliner. That is the only wife approved spot for it. The draw to the Martin Logan, it can be down-firing or front-firing, it provides some directional options. Also, the cost of the Dynamo 1600X is only $900, my stepson works at Best Buy. The SVS SB-4000 can be had for $944

The E15 seems to be a really nice sub. Pricewise it would be significantly more. Retail, both subs are comparable in price in the $1500 range. I have an Anthem Statement D1 so the XLR3 upgrade seems to be the way to go with the E15. I have ARC, so the ARC feature on the Dynamo seems redundant.

Based on my listening needs and that sub being directly behind my chair, thoughts and suggestions?
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Looking for some input to replace my REL Strata III. It's been a great sub but our new home needs something with a bit more oomph!

I set an email to Rythmik a few days ago and hadn't got a reply so I thought I'd post here. I have a 3.1 setup and plan to remain there. Not much for home theater, just TV and few random movies. I do like listening to music at loud volumes on occasion and with the large open space we have, even my B&W 803's need some support. As you can see in the photos, the house is an open floor plan and continues to the dining room and hallway, 10ft celings too



My REL subwoofer can be seen directly behind the black recliner. That is the only wife approved spot for it. The draw to the Martin Logan, it can be down-firing or front-firing, it provides some directional options. Also, the cost of the Dynamo 1600X is only $900, my stepson works at Best Buy.

The E15 seems to be a really nice sub. Pricewise it would be significantly more. Retail, both subs are comparable in price in the $1500 range. I have an Anthem Statement D1 so the XLR3 upgrade seems to be the way to go with the E15. I have ARC, so the ARC feature on the Dynamo seems redundant.

So based on my listening and setup, thoughts and suggestions?


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Are you sure you sent an email to us? I haven't get your email. Please, go to our website and fill out the contact form. Make sure you press "Submit". As soon I get your email, I will respond to you.
I had the confirmation page the first time I submitted it, I submitted it again :

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Your Message :Hi, I just copied and pasted this from AVS as you suggested resending the request: Looking for some
input to replace my REL Strata III. It\'s been a great sub but our new home needs something with a bit more oomph! I set
an email to Rythmik a few days ago and hadn\'t got a reply so I thought I\'d post here. I have a 3.1 setup and plan to
remain there. Not much for home theater, just TV and few random movies. I do like listening to music at loud volumes on
occasion and with the large open space we have, even my B&W 803\'s need some support. As you can see in the
photos, the house is an open floor plan and continues to the dining room and hallway, 10ft celings too
https://flic.kr/p/28usmDu https://flic.kr/p/KTZszM https://flic.kr/p/KTZupD My REL subwoofer can be seen directly behind
the black recliner. That is the only wife approved spot for it. The draw to the Martin Logan, it can be down-firing or frontfiring,
it provides some directional options. Also, the cost of the Dynamo 1600X is only $900, my stepson works at Best
Buy. The E15 seems to be a really nice sub. Pricewise it would be significantly more. Retail, both subs are comparable
in price in the $1500 range. I have an Anthem Statement D1 so the XLR3 upgrade seems to be the way to go with the
E15. I have ARC, so the ARC feature on the Dynamo seems redundant. Based on my listening needs and that sub
being directly behind my chair, thoughts and suggestions?
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At $900, I'd take the Dynamo over the E15.

Options priced to either side of the Dynamo that (IMO) are worth considering:
- HSU ULS-15 MK2 (currently on sale for $827, shipped); and
- PSA S1510DF ($950, shipped).

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I owned an E15HP for a few years so I'm very familiar with that one. I've never heard the Dynamo 1600X myself but I did review the Dynamo 1500X in 2013, so I have some background with the product line.

If the 1600X is an evolutionary upgrade from the 1500X then I would guess the E15HP will be able to play lower, and perhaps a bit louder as well. Physical dimensions and appearance are close enough to be a non-issue, so perhaps that can be considered a wash (appearance wise I would likely side with the Rythmik though as the 1600X does not look as nice as the 1500X in my opinion). If you had to buy them for listed price than the E15HP is the better value but at $900 the ML becomes pretty attractive, especially considering your usage may not be all that demanding. Rythmik has an amplifier that can be configured in many different ways, while the Martin Logan uses ARC for room correction (which is a nice system). If you had a discerning ear and wanted to dial in the sound to your exact specifications I would say the E15HP is the better of the two, but given your usage and goals - and the price, of course - the Dynamo 1600X is a solid option.

 
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I owned an E15HP for a few years so I'm very familiar with that one. I've never heard the Dynamo 1600X myself but I did review the Dynamo 1500X in 2013, so I have some background with the product line.

If the 1600X is an evolutionary upgrade from the 1500X then I would guess the E15HP will be able to play lower, and perhaps a bit louder as well. Physical dimensions and appearance are close enough to be a non-issue, so perhaps that can be considered a wash (appearance wise I would likely side with the Rythmik though as the 1600X does not look as nice as the 1500X in my opinion). If you had to buy them for listed price than the E15HP is the better value but at $900 the ML becomes pretty attractive, especially considering your usage may not be all that demanding. Rythmik has an amplifier that can be configured in many different ways, while the Martin Logan uses ARC for room correction (which is a nice system). If you had a discerning ear and wanted to dial in the sound to your exact specifications I would say the E15HP is the better of the two, but given your usage and goals - and the price, of course - the Dynamo 1600X is a solid option.
Agree but due the size of his room I did recommend him the E15HP2 instead as it has +2dB more output than the E15HP you owned. The E15HP2 is literally the baby brother of the G25HP you reviewed as it has the same driver as the G25HP (DS1520) and the HX1000XLR3 amp.
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I owned an E15HP for a few years so I'm very familiar with that one. I've never heard the Dynamo 1600X myself but I did review the Dynamo 1500X in 2013, so I have some background with the product line.

If the 1600X is an evolutionary upgrade from the 1500X then I would guess the E15HP will be able to play lower, and perhaps a bit louder as well. Physical dimensions and appearance are close enough to be a non-issue, so perhaps that can be considered a wash (appearance wise I would likely side with the Rythmik though as the 1600X does not look as nice as the 1500X in my opinion). If you had to buy them for listed price than the E15HP is the better value but at $900 the ML becomes pretty attractive, especially considering your usage may not be all that demanding. Rythmik has an amplifier that can be configured in many different ways, while the Martin Logan uses ARC for room correction (which is a nice system). If you had a discerning ear and wanted to dial in the sound to your exact specifications I would say the E15HP is the better of the two, but given your usage and goals - and the price, of course - the Dynamo 1600X is a solid option.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
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Anyone have an SVS SB-4000 ?
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I owned an E15HP for a few years so I'm very familiar with that one. I've never heard the Dynamo 1600X myself but I did review the Dynamo 1500X in 2013, so I have some background with the product line.

If the 1600X is an evolutionary upgrade from the 1500X then I would guess the E15HP will be able to play lower, and perhaps a bit louder as well. Physical dimensions and appearance are close enough to be a non-issue, so perhaps that can be considered a wash (appearance wise I would likely side with the Rythmik though as the 1600X does not look as nice as the 1500X in my opinion). If you had to buy them for listed price than the E15HP is the better value but at $900 the ML becomes pretty attractive, especially considering your usage may not be all that demanding. Rythmik has an amplifier that can be configured in many different ways, while the Martin Logan uses ARC for room correction (which is a nice system). If you had a discerning ear and wanted to dial in the sound to your exact specifications I would say the E15HP is the better of the two, but given your usage and goals - and the price, of course - the Dynamo 1600X is a solid option.
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Any thoughts on the SVS SB-4000? I can also get that for under $1000
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Any thoughts on the SVS SB-4000? I can also get that for under $1000
Here is Jim Wilson comparison of the SVS SB-13 Ultra vs Rythmik E15HP (600 watts version). This comparison was done 5 years ago but still relevant for comparison purposes. The SB-4000 is the SB-13 Ultra replacement.

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Any thoughts on the SVS SB-4000? I can also get that for under $1000
You can get an idea of the performance of the SB4000 by what the PB4000 does in sealed mode. It won't be identical as they don't use the exact same driver AFAIK. Build quality and warranty on the SB4000 is worlds better than the ML, so there's that to consider.




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You can get an idea of the performance of the SB4000 by what the PB4000 does in sealed mode. It won't be identical as they don't use the exact same driver AFAIK. Build quality and warranty on the SB4000 is worlds better than the ML, so there's that to consider.
It was my understanding SVS uses the same driver between the sealed and ported version, but I can't say for certain as I never asked Ed that. Since a sealed PB is significantly larger than an SB the PB will have higher output numbers, as you noted, just not sure the formula to use when factoring that in. The 1500X I reviewed was heavily boosted in the low end - seemed like the classic LT to me - which is why the distortion numbers are higher. Thankfully it was at frequencies lower than most can pick up so that type of distortion is generally inaudible. Warranty/extras favor SVS - their's is a long list - but I would say build quality does not. The ML eval unit I had was every bit as good, from a quality perspective, to all the SVS models I've seen over the years. In that regard I would say they're more similar than dissimilar, with both being very good.

 
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Looking for some input to replace my REL Strata III. It's been a great sub but our new home needs something with a bit more oomph!

I set an email to Rythmik a few days ago and hadn't got a reply so I thought I'd post here. I have a 3.1 setup and plan to remain there. Not much for home theater, just TV and few random movies. I do like listening to music at loud volumes on occasion and with the large open space we have, even my B&W 803's need some support. As you can see in the photos, the house is an open floor plan and continues to the dining room and hallway, 10ft celings too



My REL subwoofer can be seen directly behind the black recliner. That is the only wife approved spot for it. The draw to the Martin Logan, it can be down-firing or front-firing, it provides some directional options. Also, the cost of the Dynamo 1600X is only $900, my stepson works at Best Buy. The SVS SB-4000 can be had for $944

The E15 seems to be a really nice sub. Pricewise it would be significantly more. Retail, both subs are comparable in price in the $1500 range. I have an Anthem Statement D1 so the XLR3 upgrade seems to be the way to go with the E15. I have ARC, so the ARC feature on the Dynamo seems redundant.

Based on my listening needs and that sub being directly behind my chair, thoughts and suggestions?
I'm not the best judge, but I previously owned the ML Dynamo 1500, SVS PB-4000. Currently I have the Rythmik G25HP. Though its not the same comparison, I will say that the Rythmik is by far the winner for me. The sealed design provides a tight and musical sound (much better than the ML), and you can still feel it. I personally think its light years ahead of the other two, and I believe the E15 is the baby brother of it..but Enrico can clarify
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Thanks for the info.

I have a few more subs to throw into the mix, B&W DB2D for $2000 and the Martin Logan BF212 for $2300 and the SVS SB16 for $1200.

I am after musicality, first and foremost. That is what I loved about the REL
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If music is your number one priority than Rythmik is a strong option. Seaton Sound as well; @Mark Seaton is every bit the perfectionist, a nice quality to have when you're designing subs for the discerning ear.

 
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I owned the smaller ML, the Dynamo 500 a few years ago...and a "dynamo", it was not! Not a good sub, IMHO...compared to my Outlaw LFm-1 plus, my EMPtek10i10i or even the Klipsch RW12d...(all of which I owned at the time).

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thanks for the input. I decided to go with an SVS SB-4000. For $1100 in gloss black delivered, I couldn't pass it up!
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