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Is the HSU sale price to good to pass up? VTF-2MK

I made up my mind it was SVS PB2000 or Monoloth 12" which I really wanted but no real good deals came up and I am getting impatient.

I discounted HSU because I just don't know much about them and even thought the variable tuning was more techy than I wanted to get. But the sale for two is $519.00ea Way under Mono and SVS and seems to be in their league.

Is this way worth the price? do they last? would love your thoughts. 19X19 room but the front has a more space leading to a restroom dedicated 12 foot ceilings. I have 2 12" proficient dual ported subs now, one makes a hardly audible cricket sound sometimes and it is starting to drive me crazy, they are 15 years old and probably the weakest link in all my gear by comparison but with the seat butt kickers I don't hate the low end at all. Home theater 95% and video concerts 5%

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I made up my mind it was SVS PB2000 or Monoloth 12" which I really wanted but no real good deals came up and I am getting impatient.

I discounted HSU because I just don't know much about them and even thought the variable tuning was more techy than I wanted to get. But the sale for two is $519.00ea Way under Mono and SVS and seems to be in their league.

Is this way worth the price? do they last? would love your thoughts.
Hsu subs are highly regarded and have always been value leaders as well. There is absolutely no concern owning one if interested in quality bass. The vtf-2 mk5 is a good sub and slots a little below the pb-2000 and monolith 12. The SVS and monolith are a little better at the very low end but for mid bass the Hsu competes well. If you let us know room size, open or relatively closed room, listening volume, movie/music ratio we can advise a little better.
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Hsu subs are highly regarded and have always been value leaders as well. There is absolutely no concern owning one if interested in quality bass. The vtf-2 mk5 is a good sub and slots a little below the pb-2000 and monolith 12. The SVS and monolith are a little better at the very low end but for mid bass the Hsu competes well. If you let us know room size, open or relatively closed room, listening volume, movie/music ratio we can advise a little better.
updated thx. I guess I am wanting to here if this is the best value going for a sub vs is it worth spending a bit more for the others or even slightly less for another model if it's out there. Since I hear of SVS, Mono, HSU and Rhythmik more than anything else I figure this might just be the best price and time. Of course if the mono's ever go to that $635 price again that would be the way to go but not looking like anytime soon.

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Those are good subs, but it looks like your space is pretty big from your description. At a minimum, I would step up to dual ported 15”s like the HSU VTF-3 MK5’s or PSA V1510’s. A lot of AVS’ers have dual ported 18”s in rooms similar in size.

You have a top-notch AVR, and very nice speakers. Don’t shortchange yourself with the subs—skip the 12” subs and look at 15”s or even 18”s. Start with one sub if budget doesn’t allow two right now. Personally, I would take one VTF-3 MK5 or PSA V1510 over two VTF-2’s or PB2000’s.
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updated thx. I guess I am wanting to here if this is the best value going for a sub vs is it worth spending a bit more for the others or even slightly less for another model if it's out there. Since I hear of SVS, Mono, HSU and Rhythmik more than anything else I figure this might just be the best price and time. Of course if the mono's ever go to that $635 price again that would be the way to go but not looking like anytime soon.
For your room size you definitely need a bigger sub. IMHO check out a V1510 nothing in that price can compete ( unless you DIY)

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If you can swing a bit more, move to the 15" subs. I have the dual HSU VTF-3 MK5 http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HPDual.html and they are really nice.
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Those are good subs, but it looks like your space is pretty big from your description. At a minimum, I would step up to dual ported 15”s like the HSU VTF-3 MK5’s or PSA V1510’s. A lot of AVS’ers have dual ported 18”s in rooms similar in size.

You have a top-notch AVR, and very nice speakers. Don’t shortchange yourself with the subs—skip the 12” subs and look at 15”s or even 18”s. Start with one sub if budget doesn’t allow two right now. Personally, I would take one VTF-3 MK5 or PSA V1510 over two VTF-2’s or PB2000’s.
probably good advice, I've only had 12's and they seem great plus I have the butt kickers and never felt the need for more, however I have not really heard anything louder than 12 in an HT room either.

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For your room size you definitely need a bigger sub. IMHO check out a V1510 nothing in that price can compete ( unless you DIY)

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will do, of course the amount I was about to spend on the Mono 12 could get be close to the HSU 15's


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will do, of course the amount I was about to spend on the Mono 12 could get be close to the HSU 15's

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probably good advice, I've only had 12's and they seem great plus I have the butt kickers and never felt the need for more, however I have not really heard anything louder than 12 in an HT room either.







will do, of course the amount I was about to spend on the Mono 12 could get be close to the HSU 15's
I was looking at HSU but, one thing that turned me off was the is a two year warranty on the AMP. You would have to pay extra if you wanted a longer warranty on the AMP. PSA has a 5 year warranty on the driver and the AMP .

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If you can swing a bit more, move to the 15" subs. I have the dual HSU VTF-3 MK5 http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HPDual.html and they are really nice.
Had them in my cart and probably the best deal going for 15's and then $192.00 for shipping!! yikes, maybe I should hunt for some clearance svs or something. The shipping cost made me hesitate

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Had them in my cart and probably the best deal going for 15's and then $192.00 for shipping!! yikes, maybe I should hunt for some clearance svs or something. The shipping cost made me hesitate
Don’t let the shipping cost deter you from getting them. They are worth every penny. SVS and PSA includes shipping, which is why they are priced higher than HSU.

As I said before, don’t shortchange yourself and your system with the subs. You have a Denon 6500, which is a $1,600+ AVR street price! I’m gonna go out on a limb and and say performance must be important to you. IMHO, you should spend at least that much on the subs to get the performance you desire. Buttkickers are nice, but they are not a substitute for good low end performance. Speakers and subs make the *most* difference in a system, along with the room.
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Don’t let the shipping cost deter you from getting them. They are worth every penny. SVS and PSA includes shipping, which is why they are priced higher than HSU.

As I said before, don’t shortchange yourself and your system with the subs. You have a Denon 6500, which is a $1,600+ AVR street price! I’m gonna go out on a limb and and say performance must be important to you. IMHO, you should spend at least that much on the subs to get the performance you desire. Buttkickers are nice, but they are not a substitute for good low end performance. Speakers and subs make the *most* difference in a system, along with the room.
HSU is now a 5 year design and the Monolith 12" is thx certified and newer and I wonder if it may be much closer in sound than one would think for 3" difference.

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Had them in my cart and probably the best deal going for 15's and then $192.00 for shipping!! yikes, maybe I should hunt for some clearance svs or something. The shipping cost made me hesitate

HSU doesn't include shipping in their purchases, which SVS, Rythmik and PSA do include shipping. To make matters worse, if for some reason you aren't satisfied with the HSU sub, you also have to pay return shipping. HSU does have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, but your refund will be less the shipment price paid.

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Had them in my cart and probably the best deal going for 15's and then $192.00 for shipping!! yikes, maybe I should hunt for some clearance svs or something. The shipping cost made me hesitate
Still the lowest price but there is more to it when deciding which internet direct brand to go with.

2 x HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP (15") - $1741.00 shipped
2 x Power Sound Audio V1510DF (15") ~ $1949.99 shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio FVX15 (15") - 2098.00 shipped
2 x SVS PB-3000 (13") - $2699.99 shipped
2 x Outlaw Audio Ultra-X13 (13") - $2794.75 shipped
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Still the lowest price but there is more to it when deciding which internet direct brand to go with.

2 x HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP (15") - $1741.00 shipped
2 x Power Sound Audio V1510DF (15") ~ $1949.99 shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio FVX15 (15") - 2098.00 shipped
2 x SVS PB-3000 (13") - $2699.99 shipped
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Thanks it was agonizing but I made a friend or rather kept bothering a rep at monoprice and got two 12" thx monoliths for $1459.00 shipped. I was trying to stay around $1300.00 to begin with seeing some svs PB200'a on open box in that range and I have seen the mono's as low as $1270.00 shipped but I can't wait anymore, my one bad sub is bothering me severely and can't take it anymore.

I called HSU to see if they had any outlet 15's or anything they could do on shipping but did not get anywhere. Decision made monolith 12's. They are way better than what I have and I never hated what I had anyway, so I won't know what I am missing with the 15's.

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Thanks it was agonizing but I made a friend or rather kept bothering a rep at monoprice and got two 12" thx monoliths for $1459.00 shipped.
BOOM! That's how you do it! All rooms are different. The two 12's might be all that you need. If not, like others at some point in the future you could always sell and move up to 18's!
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HSU is now a 5 year design and the Monolith 12" is thx certified and newer and I wonder if it may be much closer in sound than one would think for 3" difference.
The age of the design doesn’t matter—subwoofer design is pretty straightforward. THX certification is nice, but doesn’t make the Monolith 12 better. The HSU VTF-3 MK5 will be a stronger overall performer than the Monolith 12, with a considerable edge in the midbass. There is no substitute for size.

I see that you ordered the Monolith 12’s—I’m sure you will like them just fine. It’s just my opinion that you ultimately would have been better off stepping up to dual 15”s by HSU or PSA, especially in a room more than 4,000 cu ft (based on the dimensions you gave). FWIW, I run dual sealed 18”s in a room less than 1/2 the size, and my rig is fairly modest compared to many here in the sub forum.
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The age of the design doesn’t matter—subwoofer design is pretty straightforward. THX certification is nice, but doesn’t make the Monolith 12 better. The HSU VTF-3 MK5 will be a stronger overall performer than the Monolith 12, with a considerable edge in the midbass. There is no substitute for size.

I see that you ordered the Monolith 12’s—I’m sure you will like them just fine. It’s just my opinion that you ultimately would have been better off stepping up to dual 15”s by HSU or PSA, especially in a room more than 4,000 cu ft (based on the dimensions you gave). FWIW, I run dual sealed 18”s in a room less than 1/2 the size, and my rig is fairly modest compared to many here in the sub forum.
Yeah I wish I could find out what I am missing. I have older 250 watt 12"s and they rock the room. I can tell they are not clean and tight like better quality subs but they still make for a powerful movie experience, plus my butt kickers add a lot and they are dialed in just enough to where they are not distracting. I have really invested a lot also into a new PJ and an atmos upgrade so even the monos were more than I wanted to spend not to mention they are beasts to get installed. I have gotten deals too good to pass up on all my recent upgrades except for the subs. I made the effort to call HSU but it didn't work out, 12's it is.

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I called HSU to see if they had any outlet 15's or anything they could do on shipping but did not get anywhere. Decision made monolith 12's. They are way better than what I have and I never hated what I had anyway, so I won't know what I am missing with the 15's.
Yea they wouldn't budge even 1 single inch.. I was expecting personal contact would result in maybe just a 10% off coupon or something and they swiftly denied any efforts to work with them. They are the Apple of subwoofers... I was ready to pull the trigger on a VTF-3 MK5 if they could do literally anything at all for me but I guess I'll keep shopping around endlessly with this sh** reference Klipsch 10" in my 2000 cu ft living room lol.

I saw a VTF-3 MK5 in their B stock a few days ago but they still wanted $719 for it vs $769. -$60 for a refurb? Proud o their stuff.
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Yea they wouldn't budge even 1 single inch.. I was expecting personal contact would result in maybe just a 10% off coupon or something and they swiftly denied any efforts to work with them. They are the Apple of subwoofers... I was ready to pull the trigger on a VTF-3 MK5 if they could do literally anything at all for me but I guess I'll keep shopping around endlessly with this sh** reference Klipsch 10" in my 2000 cu ft living room lol.

I saw a VTF-3 MK5 in their B stock a few days ago but they still wanted $719 for it vs $769. -$60 for a refurb? Proud o their stuff.
I found some face book groups and a few liked the 12"s better or said it was super close to the HSU 15's and the HSU 12's not really as good as the SVS or Mono. Their sale price on the 12's is a great value but then there is shipping.

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I found some face book groups and a few liked the 12"s better or said it was super close to the HSU 15's and the HSU 12's not really as good as the SVS or Mono. Their sale price on the 12's is a great value but then there is shipping.
Referring to the VTF-2 MK5 12" subs? I had considered one for my 2000 cu ft living room but I feel like I'd have buyers remorse not going all in for the VTF-3... that's why I own JBL 590s that are way too big instead of 580s. I actually had both in my house and had to send back the 580s after listening to both
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