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Subwoofer Upgrade Opinions

I currently an running a BIC PL200 and looking to upgrade it. Narrowed my replacement search down to a few options and was curious to others opinions on the upgrade.


Budget: $1500 firm
Size: Strong preference under 22 inches wide.

Room Size: It's an odd shaped room, not sure how to describe. Attached a schematic I made.
Primary Use: Gaming (70%) / Movies (15%) / TV (15%). No music
Appearance: It's in my basement man cave, no strict appearance qualifications
Time Frame: Sometime soon but can wait out a reasonable back order.



Options I'm considering:



Option 1: Hsu Research VTF-2 MK5 - Duels with this options
Option 2: Hsu Research VTF-3 MK5
Option 3: PSA V1510
Option 4: PSA V1811
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I currently an running a BIC PL200 and looking to upgrade it. Narrowed my replacement search down to a few options and was curious to others opinions on the upgrade.


Budget: $1500 firm
Size: Strong preference under 22 inches wide.

Room Size: It's an odd shaped room, not sure how to describe. Attached a schematic I made.
Primary Use: Gaming (70%) / Movies (15%) / TV (15%). No music
Appearance: It's in my basement man cave, no strict appearance qualifications
Time Frame: Sometime soon but can wait out a reasonable back order.



Options I'm considering:



Option 1: Hsu Research VTF-2 MK5 - Duels with this options
Option 2: Hsu Research VTF-3 MK5
Option 3: PSA V1510
Option 4: PSA V1811
The Monoprice Monolith 15 is under your budget and meets your size requirements as well.

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I am a PSA guy so of course I say the V1811. Also Tom on the PSA forums the other day mentioned he got trade ins of a V1801. Basically same minus XLR input and remote trigger. Still get a fresh 5 year warranty when purchase from them. Maybe email him and get an even better deal on your budget.
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The Monoprice Monolith 15 is under your budget and meets your size requirements as well.

I think I'd prefer to buy from an smaller internet direct supplier. While I've heard great stuff about the Monolith line, and think they are the best looking subs out there, dealing with Monoprice worries me from a service / warranty standpoint. I've heard they can be difficult to work with while the ssmller ID's are typically amazing to work with.
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I think I'd prefer to buy from an smaller internet direct supplier. While I've heard great stuff about the Monolith line, and think they are the best looking subs out there, dealing with Monoprice worries me from a service / warranty standpoint. I've heard they can be difficult to work with while the ssmller ID's are typically amazing to work with.
I agree their record isn't perfect, but they do have many many happy customers and a great product. I totally understand wanting peace of mind though as I'm also looking for a new sub and PSA is one I'm strongly considering as well!
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That's a giant space, I'd go V1811 and think about a second one down the road. I agree on the Monolith support issue - they might be great subs when they work, but who has time to ship back the whole thing when something goes wrong?
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Appearance: It's in my basement man cave, no strict appearance qualifications
The words "basement" and "concrete" are typically synonymous, and if that's true in your case you will need to consider the biggest/most powerful subwoofers you can afford. Hard surfaces like that suck the life out of low frequencies. One of the best ways to combat that is with brute force.
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The words "basement" and "concrete" are typically synonymous, and if that's true in your case you will need to consider the biggest/most powerful subwoofers you can afford. Hard surfaces like that suck the life out of low frequencies. One of the best ways to combat that is with brute force.

Your Correct. The perimeter of the basement is all block wall. Some of it is framed and drywalled and some is exposed and just painted in the listening area. Have been planning to put up acoustic treatments to help with reflections. Was leaning toward the V1811, so maybe just another nod towards it.
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Rythmik just announced a sale on their 18" model... http://www.rythmikaudio.com/ or see the thread here.
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Rythmik just announced a sale on their 18" model... http://www.rythmikaudio.com/ or see the thread here.
I was thinking the same.....per Enrico just posted last night:


"FV18 Black Oak Rev 2 is going on SALE starting today. Price for one unit is $1649 shipped or $1579 each shipped if you purchase a pair or more!! This SALE includes aluminum and paper cone driver versions!!"


Two of these should fit the OP's bill. One now, one later.


If you can pick up at your local UPS store, Rythimk will drop $100 from the price tag, so $1549 would be the price of one.

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This SALE includes aluminum and paper cone driver versions!!"

Whats the difference in audio between a paper an aluminum driver?
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Whats the difference in audio between a paper an aluminum driver?
From Rhythmik's website:

Standard FV18 version uses metal cone DS1820 for its stiffness and low distortion. The independent test lab site www.data-bass.com has published the max distortion numbers for our metal cone FV18 and F18. The F18 has lower distortion and yet more output than Velodyne DD18+ for 1/3 of the price. Paper cone like the one used in Velodyne DD18+ can be made lighter than metal cone and therefore improve outputs above 50hz by up to 3db with the sacrifice of slightly higher distortions. For those who are after the maximum headroom in HT application may consider the paper cone version FV18SW (with paper cone SW1825).
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I own PSA products, but if you have no intentions of adding a second 1500.00 sub down the road then I would go dual HSU VTF3.5's. Solid bang for the buck package. I started with a pair of PSA XV15 for 1518.10 shipped back in 2013. At the time they were the value leader of ID subs. Now that torch belongs to HSU again imo.
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Whats the difference in audio between a paper an aluminum driver?
There are others more knowledgeable than I, and you could/should ask Rythmik directly, but I believe the paper cone is lighter and thus provides more tactile response than the aluminum cone alternative. For movie first people, this could be preferred. For music people that prefer "chest punch" this also could be preferred. For those that prefer the cleanest sound and not so much about tactile response, then the aluminum cone is probably the better choice.


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While having to send a big sub back if there are issues is annoying, (Monoprice is currently working on sending replacement amps as an option) you don't have to worry about dealing with Monoprice's CS if you contact the Monolith manager: [email protected]

If you want the best performance at $1500 you will not beat the Monolith 15".
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While having to send a big sub back if there are issues is annoying, (Monoprice is currently working on sending replacement amps as an option) you don't have to worry about dealing with Monoprice's CS if you contact the Monolith manager: [email protected]

If you want the best performance at $1500 you will not beat the Monolith 15".
Promises of better future customer service aside, you meant to say $1300, right? $1500 puts you into a Rythmik FV15HP or PSA V1811..
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Promises of better future customer service aside, you meant to say $1300, right? $1500 puts you into a Rythmik FV15HP or PSA V1811..

Exactly. I have not heard them side by side but knowing Rythimk's SQ and their CS as I do. FV15HP at 1399 would be a no brainer vs Monolith 15 in my book.


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Description: FREE SHIPPING to 48 US continental STATES Price FV15HP black oak grain finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and multi-tune$1399
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Having a very similar set up to you in terms of room size, (i'm in a basement room that's 27 x 18 x 9) I would suggest going for the PSA v1811 and highly encourage you to get a second one down the road. The problem with that size of a room is pressurization, and material. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to pressurize that with one PSA v1811. You'll still get great bass, but definitely consider another one down the line.
If you're sticking with one sub, go with an 18'' over a 15''.
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Promises of better future customer service aside, you meant to say $1300, right? $1500 puts you into a Rythmik FV15HP or PSA V1811..
Nope, meant $1500. The Monolith 15 extends lower than both of those subs and doesn't have the bad port chuff as the V1811. But, the OP should go with the V1811; that way when he plays content that hits with authority down low, he can make fart noises with his mouth and it'll be like he has dual subs!
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Nope, meant $1500. The Monolith 15 extends lower than both of those subs and doesn't have the bad port chuff as the V1811. But, the OP should go with the V1811; that way when he plays content that hits with authority down low, he can make fart noises with his mouth and it'll be like he has dual subs!
Hah, you've clearly never heard one if that's what you believe.
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Nope, meant $1500. The Monolith 15 extends lower than both of those subs and doesn't have the bad port chuff as the V1811. But, the OP should go with the V1811; that way when he plays content that hits with authority down low, he can make fart noises with his mouth and it'll be like he has dual subs!
Having actually owned a pair of V1811, I never experienced port chuffing during normal use.
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Nope, meant $1500. The Monolith 15 extends lower than both of those subs and doesn't have the bad port chuff as the V1811. But, the OP should go with the V1811; that way when he plays content that hits with authority down low, he can make fart noises with his mouth and it'll be like he has dual subs!
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Having actually owned a pair of V1811, I never experienced port chuffing during normal use.
Same. I also never had a single hint of chuffing during compression sweeps (ran out of mic headroom before I ran out of subwoofer) and stupid-low sine waves. Those things are bulletproof.
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Same. I also never had a single hint of chuffing during compression sweeps (ran out of mic headroom before I ran out of subwoofer) and stupid-low sine waves. Those things are bulletproof.
To be fair, I could induce chuffing to occur by cherry picking material and running the subs hotter than normal.

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To be fair, I could induce chuffing to occur by cherry picking material and running the subs hotter than normal.
To be fair, you can probably do that on any subwoofer :P
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To be fair, you can probably do that on any subwoofer :P
I haven't been able to do it with the TV36. My ears give out first.

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I haven't been able to do it with the TV36. My ears give out first.
I can't even imagine trying to make them chuff. You'd have to be outdoors with hearing protection or in a bunker with all concrete walls. I am certain I could damage my normally built house quite severely with these things
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Agree with @basshead81 , go with duals in that size of a space.
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I currently an running a BIC PL200 and looking to upgrade it. Narrowed my replacement search down to a few options and was curious to others opinions on the upgrade.

Budget: $1500 firm
Size: Strong preference under 22 inches wide.

Room Size: It's an odd shaped room, not sure how to describe. Attached a schematic I made.
Primary Use: Gaming (70%) / Movies (15%) / TV (15%). No music
Appearance: It's in my basement man cave, no strict appearance qualifications
Time Frame: Sometime soon but can wait out a reasonable back order.

Options I'm considering:

Option 1: Hsu Research VTF-2 MK5 - Duels with this options
Option 2: Hsu Research VTF-3 MK5
Option 3: PSA V1510
Option 4: PSA V1811
The 2019 JTR Captivator 118HT (regularly $1799 + shipping ) is on sale for $1500 shipped ( ~ $450 off ). It has substantially more output and more power (1200W!) than your other options. The 30"H x 20"W x 22"D sub also has the most tactile response.

I have compared a 2017 JTR Captivator 118HT (700W) and a PSA V1810 side by side. Contrary to what one ID sub company owner said, they are NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! Why should they? 2 years ago, the JTR Captivator 118HT cost 25% more, and you do get what you paid for!

Most importantly, the 2019 JTR Captivator 118HT fulfills all your criteria and is within your $1500 budget.
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I own the VTF-2 MK5 and just purchased the VTF-3 MK5 for a separate space. Once they break in, they are awesome. I love the HSU...especially given the ability to alter the configuration. Sounds like you can go with duals there so that should shake the house...your neighbor's house...and the police station down the street!
I'm a HSU fan. Had the VTF-2 for 3+ years now and still hitting strong as ever. You definitely FEEL it more that it droning at you.

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