So with all that out of the way, I’ll go first I guess since I thought this might be a good idea for a thread (lol) and give a bit of my story, some pics, some graphs, and some thoughts about TR etc.
** warning ...kind of a long post but hopefully won’t be too boring!
As some of you may know already, I’m a pretty serious TR junkie!!!! I just LOVE LOVE LOVE me some TR and LOTS of it!!! But that said, I still want it to feel as realistic and natural as possible, from super subtle to FULL ON shake you silly and rattle your fillings loose when called for, and of course everything in between. I love the experience that great TR can bring to movie watching, demoing, gaming etc. Without it, it’s just nowhere near as fun and exhilarating for me and is what has driven me to try to push the envelope with it to see what is possible.
So here’s a bit of my journey for finding that TR glory
I had a few other little systems prior to the one I have now, but didn’t know much at all about this stuff, much less what TR was. I just know I loved it!! But then got more serious about HT setup in my current house and set it up as good as I could in the living room. I started with a Rythmik FV15HP and some Polk speakers. Was pretty good for starters but as we all know, the thirst for more grabs a hold of you and doesn’t let go
I started listening louder and louder and started getting uncomfortable on the ears trying to get more slam and shake. Plus, just the one little 15” sub placed FarField was never going to cut it by itself in a huge open area for what I wanted. But gotta start somewhere.
Next I got a JTR cap 2400 (earlier amped version) to accompany it about 4 years ago. Big improvement with two subs. THEN it happened, I discovered what placing a sub right behind my seat could do after seeing what guys like Archaea, carp, dominguez1 and a few others were doing around here. BINGO, now we were getting somewhere!!! Could not believe what it did and gave me a big taste of that feel I had been chasing, even at lower listening levels. A TOTAL game changer for me and I’m sure you can all imagine what happened from here LOL. Yep ..I wanted MORE of it and so then the chase really began. Learning REW of course and what FR and sub placement was all about helped too. I jumped in head first and soaked up and experimented with it all as much as I could. Then eventually got into Crowson MAs, BK LFEs and then building my own 18” subs. Well, AIY subs, but close enough for me. Between these TR components and the mix of Very Near Field sub placement (along with a VNF MBM right behind me chest high as well when Dom’s thread was going nutz), along with FarField and well, things came together really well after a LOT of experimenting and fine tuning. It was tons of fun and I feel like I learned so much about it all along the way and allowed me to pretty much get exactly what I was looking for, which was some pretty crazy chest pounding, body and bone rattling TR and Bass that was super satisfying, in a huge open area, even at moderate listening levels. That system had some pretty insane feeling Bass and TR I must say and gave me tons of enjoyment!!!
Here are a few pics of that setup that I had down in my living room
This first pic is one of my first attempts at getting that crazy super nearfield experience when I finally got 2 subs and stacked them behind me with a Rythmik FV15HP and JTR cap2400. I needed one up front as well, but was fun to stack them both behind me for a crazy demo day!! This was quite the experience and I still vividly remember it as one of the crazies, coolest bass and TR beatings I've ever had with Max Mad Fury Road cranked up
Plus I had the Crowson MAs and BK LFE's in the mix too at the time. The MAs got too hot and went into protect mode though LOL MMFR is brutal can work the crap out of your gear if not careful!!!
And the BK LFEs mounted to the couch and a couple Crowson MAs as well. Man that couch was wicked for TR!!!! It had a lot of flex in that middle seat with it's light weight metal frame and those BK could work you over good because of it!! I loved it!!!
So then, I got the new subs built with one behind each seat, plus a FF sub upfront. Plus got things dialed in a lot better TR and FR wise which really helped.
But then after all that, I got the idea to move up into my 13 x 13 office room upstairs, because I've always wanted a dedicated room that I could do whatever I wanted without having to deal with WAF. This is the only room that that could happen in.
So it began again, I lugged all my gear upstairs and started experimenting to see if it would work out in such a small room. OH YEAH, sure enough did. It worked out great. I even did a comparison of suspended floor vs concrete HERE
if anyone is interested. I have a little different thoughts on it now that I’ve been up in this room for a while now and probably need to update that thread more, but a lot of what I found out and posted in that comparison thread, I still feel the same way about. Plus all of the pics I posted aren't showing up right in that thread either because of the server they are on is not working. I'll try to get the images moved and working again as well.
So, once I knew that room would work, I ran a pretty mean Bass and TR config with a single seat in the middle sweet spot until I got more seats in the room. I ran 3 sealed 18” subs surrounding me just as close as I could get them VNF style, plus another 18” sub up front behind the the drop down projector screen, plus dual Crowson MAs + dual BK LFEs bolted to the single recliner + being on a suspended floor. Yes , LOTS of TR and was tons of fun!!!
Here are a few pics of that setup before I blacked out all the walls and got serious with Atmos and all that with a full dedicated HT setup.
Here's the sweet spot where I would park my old one recliner chair until I could get some good HT seats in there. Me and coolrda use to call it the “The Kill Box” area LOL. He had a very similar setup with a 24” sub parked right behind him instead of an 18” like I was using, with MAs as well, but no BK LFEs
And with the recliner in position
And then getting closer to getting the setup put together with the big screen mounted for that awesome HT bass & TR experience
Then BOOM!! Go time, even got some black velvet put up at this point for some great picture quality. Man them were some awesome times being surrounded by all those subs, TTs and MAs setting that close to the screen for the first time in this new room. My dream was finally coming true for a dedicated HT space!! LOL
So yeah, that was super fun, but needed to start the process of finishing it out. So, eventually added 3 new seats and built two more 18" sealed subs to go behind all 3 seats, plus more Crowson MAs and BK LFEs for the other seats as well, plus Atmos. I enjoyed it quiet a while like this and then added in the BOSS for more TR most recently. I really loved what I already had going with the TR, but had to at least try it. I love experimenting, especially with TR! I ended up trying about 4 different versions of it. I love the BOSS and so I added it permanently to my system in conjunction with all the other TR components. I ended up liking BOSS setup a little differently than most by just setting the BOSS on the floor using the flooring carpet and pad to mostly seal it seal it, making it more like a sub riser instead of open baffle with no isolators under it (I actually LOVE it like this, and seems to work better in my system than with isos under the platform. I know crazy right!?). I do run 4 on top of the riser though on the back of the seating in between the Crowson MAs that seems to work fantastic.
So now 6x 18" subs with 3 of them spread around the room and 3 of them VNF behind each seat, + 6 Crowson MAs, + 4 BK LFEs, + BOSS (in “Sub Riser form") loaded with 6 JBL 12” woofers that the seats sit on (2 JBL's under each seat in a 6" x 30" by 8' platform riser.
Pretty crazy I guess with running all these TR components combined, but it works very well and give the best of all worlds IMO. I love how they all contribute in their own way with their strengths and combine as one. To me, it feels amazing. It can feel pretty darn ferocious too when it needs to be and gives me about all I could ever wish for TR wise. I enjoy the heck out of it and brings me many hours of joy in the HT room!!
Super fun stuff with BEQ (BassEQ for filtered movies) that makes pretty much all movies Full Bandwidth all the way down deep into the digits. It’s a great time to have a ULF TR capable system and so worth it with BEQ in town now if you’re a movie and ULF TR lover!!! Good times for sure!!! If you haven't checked out BEQ yet, get on it if you like Full Band bass like The Incredible Hulk etc!!
So here's a few pics of the latest TR setup. First without seats to show the SubRiser with the 12" JBLs loaded in it and 6 Crowson MA locations as well, and then with seats. The VNF subs are actually raised up higher now than in pics with no seats to fire more into the seat backs for more feel since my subriser is about 6" higher. Loosing that 6" distance from form the seatback to the driver lost a lot of feel from the subs. So raised them back up, and back in business. BIG time difference in feel!! Even with all the other TR components I run, there is a reason I'll never be without VNF subs. I love them and always will!! Same with BK LFE's, Crowson MAs, and now the BOSS too. The combo is magic to me and gives so much flexibility help you get what you want out of it all. Yes it takes some times to get it all setup and tuned, but once you do, its so worth it!!!
Pics for seats ready to be mounted on top of SubRiser...
A previous version with only 3 JBLs
I also tried my 18's mounted cantilevered directly behind my seats for BOSS as well (HAD to try it out of curiosity!!), but ended up liking the JBL 12's mounted under me in the SubRiser setting on the floor with no Isolators better. Go figure ...crazy!!
So, then final version with 6JBL mounted into the platform for underneath the seating
And a shot of the VNF subs raised to firing into the seat backs
And a view from under the middle MLP seat from the front showing the BK LFEs, one of the rear JBLs 12's in the platform/riser and an 18" SI DS4-18 driver firing into the seat back. I don't think you can see the Crowson MAs though, but they are right there close to the BKs under the inner seat feet.
For a couple graphs, here’s my FR that I’m currently running and a couple VibSensor graphs of just the BOSS SubRiser + Crowson MAs. I don’t don't think I have any VS reading yet of all combined yet with the VNFs and BKs in the mix. But this will give you an idea of the kind of TR it’s capable of hitting. It gets up around 1e+01 at ref bass levels. Not to shabby at all! Pretty brutal actually!!
Current FR with Sub Riser in the Mix with pretty good extension into the singles which is cool.
RED = All subs + CC crossed at 90hz …
And then some VibSensor graphs with 0-50hz White Noise and EOT intro. EOT intro is about as brutal of material as you can get for VSing and putting your gear through the ringer (hopefully not killing any of it). BUT, the BOSS sitting on the floor as a sealed sub riser with 6 JBL 12's seemed to just rip right through it with ease, and even had more in the tank than this, but didn’t really want to push it too much more. The last 2 tones of the EOT intro are about 10db hotter than most ref material and hits up around -5db signal levels on the last 2-3 notes/sines of 20hz, 15hz, then 10hz, and is one of the reasons EOT is considered dangerous. But it is definitely a great one to show your TR power in these 5 distinct frequencies though, reading from right to left ….30hz, 25hz, 20hz, 15hz, and lastly that insane 10hz blast. IMO the BOSS (even by itself) and with MAs too just crushed it, touching up around 1e+01. That is some pretty hardcore TR right there by any TR junkies’ standards I think and was cool to see. But what is also cool to see, is that it follows the source (PVA – the actual frequency graph of that particular EOT time stamp too). Very cool!!!!
White Noise: (left) EOT Intro: (right) Both with BOSS/sealed 'SubRiser' + MAs only around ref levels with a 5 lb bag of rice to weight the phone from bouncing up off the seating. MAs only contributing a little bit here with SubRiser doing most of it. Doesn't show much single digit TR on the 0-50hz white noise file (drops off hard below about 10hz), but is a known problem with VibSensor with a weight that reads more accurately in the 10-30hz region. No biggy though, TR is real strong below 10hz as well from the BOSS and especially the Crowson MAs (where the MAs really excel!).
Ok so there is my TR journey up to the present. A lot more pics and stuff in my room thread if you want to see more. Hope you all enjoyed and please feel free to post away with your pics, experiences, love of TR and all of that good stuff etc.
Cheers TR lovers!!