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JL Audio E112 vs F112v2

Both are 12". one is E series, one is the next F series but the F112v2 price is close to double that of the E112 at my local dealer, what is so better about F112v2's performance, is it twice as good in performance ? 16/13 ft room, usage music and movies, should I go for E112 or is F112v2 worth the price? Or a third option, a pair of E112's, would they be better than a single F112v2 ?



Note: kindly don't make responses about buy x brand instead or y brand. If you can answer on topic about JL audio and the models I mentioned, and are knowledgeable about JL audio, only then bother responding. I'm not interested in x or y brand recommendations.
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Since you don't want to hear what most of us would probably tell you, maybe you should try Google...?

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Driver is better and it comes with a mic for room optimization.

I would certainly buy 2 e112 vs 1 f112 if that's a option.
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For the record....idk why there is not a JL sub forum on AVS...this way questions like this can easily be answered and other x,y,z subs are likely not recommended or discussed.

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For the record....idk why there is not a JL sub forum on AVS...this way questions like this can easily be answered and other x,y,z subs are likely not recommended or discussed.

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Probably not enough owners or interest. JL caters to a different market from what most AVS’ers in the sub forum fall into, IMHO.

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Probably not enough owners or interest. JL caters to a different market from what most AVS’ers in the sub forum fall into, IMHO.
People with more money than sense? :P
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People with more money than sense? :P
I wouldn’t say that. There are legitimate reasons to go with a JL E112 or F112v2 vs other brands. Aesthetics and size considerations being the main ones. Sometimes it’s not just about output for the dollar.
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I wouldn’️t say that. There are legitimate reasons to go with a JL E112 or F112v2 vs other brands. Aesthetics and size considerations being the main ones. Sometimes it’️s not just about output for the dollar.
Exactly... thou if you do your homework... viable options exist that do both which the OP didn't want to discuss nor consider.

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Driver is better and it comes with a mic for room optimization.

I would certainly buy 2 e112 vs 1 f112 if that's a option.
Thx for making the only ontopic reply and answering my E112 vs F112v2 question. My room is actually 15.75 x 12.5 ft and I live on the second floor of my home, don't you think having 2 JL Audio E112's would be too overwhelming for my sized room?
On the question of E112 vs F112v2, the price of the F is a little less than 2x the price of the E. Is the amp on the F really that much better? And would the E not come with its own calibration mic and I'll have to depend on the receiver's software to tune it(if the receiver works on those low end frequencies)? I don't use third party tools like Rew. So would the F having its own calibration be a big deal?
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Thx for making the only ontopic reply and answering my E112 vs F112v2 question. My room is actually 15.75 x 12.5 ft and I live on the second floor of my home, don't you think having 2 JL Audio E112's would be too overwhelming for my sized room?
On the question of E112 vs F112v2, the price of the F is a little less than 2x the price of the E. Is the amp on the F really that much better? And would the E not come with its own calibration mic and I'll have to depend on the receiver's software to tune it(if the receiver works on those low end frequencies)? I don't use third party tools like Rew. So would the F having its own calibration be a big deal?
What receiver are you using? Most will do a pretty good job tuning the low frequencies of your subs and the likes of audyssey XT32 for example will tune the subs separately. Nad and Anthem will do even better room correction for your subs. The only brand that is a bit week is the Yamaha as i believe is does no tuning below 31.5Hz.

So depending on what receiver your using having auto tune built into your subs may not be so important imo.

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I use a RZ3100, so it must have accu eq, don't know if it works as well for a subwoofer as a subwoofer with its own calibration mic will work. So far the two advantages of the F112v2 seem to be the more powerful amplifier and its own calibration, just have to weigh that against the price of the E. The E is available for demo, the F according to my local dealer is available for order only currently not demo. So I can't compare side by side how powerful the F is in comparison.
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My Integra i just retired has audyssey, but shortly after Onkyo changed to accu eq and was criticized as been a downgrade. Honestly i don't know if the newer versions have been improved and would have to research the specs for sub tuning before i comment on it. If you have or find out this info and in fact there is decent tuning down into the ULF territory and it will tune two subs as separates, a pair of the "E" will certainly imo almost always be better than a single F in a room with multiple seating areas. Better coverage and usually more enveloping bass if properly set up.

That been said, my "single" old Velodyne SPL1200-R (which had built in room eq) was pretty impressive in my 2400^3 open room, so there is an argument for both choices. If you went for the more expensive (singe) F model, yes it will cost a lot more but also will give you a stronger upgrade path if you find one isn't enough.

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I have an E112, and it is great. If you can do it, I would do 2 E112s. The F112 does not have double the output of the E112, so I do not think it is worth it. If you could only get 1, I would still go E112.

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Thx for making the only ontopic reply and answering my E112 vs F112v2 question. My room is actually 15.75 x 12.5 ft and I live on the second floor of my home, don't you think having 2 JL Audio E112's would be too overwhelming for my sized room?
On the question of E112 vs F112v2, the price of the F is a little less than 2x the price of the E. Is the amp on the F really that much better? And would the E not come with its own calibration mic and I'll have to depend on the receiver's software to tune it(if the receiver works on those low end frequencies)? I don't use third party tools like Rew. So would the F having its own calibration be a big deal?
E112 is a nice subwoofer I've had quite a bit of time with. Nice clean output for the size. The reason to get two of those rather than one F112v2 is just for more even response in your room. Even if you don't want to tinker, you can put one in the back left corner and another in the front right corner, run Audyssey, and you'll yield some better results.

Is one E112 enough sub? Are two? Depends on your room size and how loud you listen. Most people here are hobbyists that run their bass a little hot (or a lot hot). One thing I actually like about the JL Audio stuff, which is very unpopular here, is that they run a pretty steep high pass below 20Hz. For what they are trying to accomplish in such a small package, it's a smart thing to do, and keeps them from making funny noises when pushed. That said, the limiter is pretty noisey when you do hit it. People are going to push you away from them here, as you know, because they are totally off their rockers with what they are charging now and just had ANOTHER price raise, but they make some subs that go louder in a much smaller package than a lot of stuff recommended here. But you pay for it.
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My room is actually 15.75 x 12.5 ft and I live on the second floor of my home, don't you think having 2 JL Audio E112's would be too overwhelming for my sized room?
I don't use third party tools like Rew. So would the F having its own calibration be a big deal?
No 2 would be better for smoothing and overall output, if you could AB you would then understand. I have much more woofage in a room not much bigger than yours. If you don't enjoy excess 1 may be enough.


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My Integra i just retired has audyssey, but shortly after Onkyo changed to accu eq and was criticized as been a downgrade. Honestly i don't know if the newer versions have been improved and would have to research the specs for sub tuning before i comment on it. If you have or find out this info and in fact there is decent tuning down into the ULF territory and it will tune two subs as separates, a pair of the "E" will certainly imo almost always be better than a single F in a room with multiple seating areas. Better coverage and usually more enveloping bass if properly set up.

That been said, my "single" old Velodyne SPL1200-R (which had built in room eq) was pretty impressive in my 2400^3 open room, so there is an argument for both choices. If you went for the more expensive (singe) F model, yes it will cost a lot more but also will give you a stronger upgrade path if you find one isn't enough.
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Dual E112’s and a MiniDSP 2x4hd to do the eq if you know how to use REW.

I had a single E112 prior to my Rythmiks and I really liked it.

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Exactly... thou if you do your homework... viable options exist that do both which the OP didn't want to discuss nor consider.
There is a simple answer to that. I'm not located in America, the 'viable options' you speak of , referring to American ID brands of subwoofers, dont sell outside America. Hope you know that. And if I import one of them from America, then after adding shipping based on weight (subwoofers have stiff shipping costs) and custom duties to the price, I would be left with absolutely no price advantage.
Therefore the question of me considering those 'viable options', or not considering them, does not even come into the picture.

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I concur with others that two E112’s are a better option than one F112v2. Smoother bass response over a wider listening area.
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Exactly... thou if you do your homework... viable options exist that do both which the OP didn't want to discuss nor consider.
There is a simple answer to that. I'm not located in America, the 'viable options' you speak of , referring to American ID brands of subwoofers, dont sell outside America. Hope you know that. And if I import one of them from America, then after adding shipping based on weight (subwoofers have stiff shipping costs) and custom duties to the price, I would be left with absolutely no price advantage.
Therefore the question of me considering those 'viable options', or not considering them, does not even come into the picture.
Understandable....[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I have the same burden....exchange rate, brokerage fees, duty(if applicable) and finally a13% federal tax to top it off.

I'd like to add, that I've always been an advocate for buying the biggest single sub within a set budget.... regardless of power...you can always dial it down so...not to offend folks around you.

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Hopefully the dual E112 advice is being given taking into consideration my room is less than 16 x 13 ft in size and 99% of the time I'm watching alone, there are no multiple seating positions. My LP was set in the room according to Dolby speaker arrangement for a 5.1.4 setup and I never move my chair around. So if I could go for a single E112 I would but I hope I don't miss the built in Equalizer on the F112v2. I don't use my receiver's software, the RZ3100 has very good processing but I don't use the receiver software because it tends to make the speakers sound thin. So beyond doing a sub crawl for placement, setting trim level in the receiver using my SPL Meter and distance/delay in the receiver using a laser distance measurer, I won't be able to equalise the E112, unless I look into third party's stuff like rew, which I have no experience with.


So that's where an urge to go for the F112v2 comes from , its built in Equalizer. From a poster above, it certainly doesn't seem the F's amplifier is 2x as powerful as the E , but if the EQ will be worth it, that's what I have to weigh down.

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I know this board has more people who are of the "bang for the buck' mindset with both subwoofer and speaker recommendations. But the store I'm dealing with is counter to that philosophy,. they stock the retail brands and only high end ones, I just called the dealer to tell me some alternatives to Jl audio subs, and his recommendation was a Zu Audio sub, since Zu speakers are quite expensive, I dont think a Zu sub would end up being any better value compared to Jl audio, another recommendation was a M&K sound sub , again quite expensive and not a better value. This same dealer I called a while ago and asked him for great speakers for 2 channel music listening,and he directly pointed me to Wilson Audio. He doesn't care about whether the people asking him have that kind of budget or not, he's merciless with his recommendations.
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A umik 1 and a minidsp will cost you 300 bucks or so. REW IS FREE small donation helps. These will do more than JL DARO ever will and you get to learn something. REW has a learning curve but plenty of free help with that as well. My .02
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Hopefully the dual E112 advice is being given taking into consideration my room is less than 16 x 13 ft in size and 99% of the time I'm watching alone, there are no multiple seating positions. My LP was set in the room according to Dolby speaker arrangement for a 5.1.4 setup and I never move my chair around. So if I could go for a single E112 I would but I hope I don't miss the built in Equalizer on the F112v2. I don't use my receiver's software, the RZ3100 has very good processing but I don't use the receiver software because it tends to make the speakers sound thin. So beyond doing a sub crawl for placement, setting trim level in the receiver using my SPL Meter and distance/delay in the receiver using a laser distance measurer, I won't be able to equalise the E112, unless I look into third party's stuff like rew, which I have no experience with.


So that's where an urge to go for the F112v2 comes from , its built in Equalizer. From a poster above, it certainly doesn't seem the F's amplifier is 2x as powerful as the E , but if the EQ will be worth it, that's what I have to weigh down.
That’s a big price premium for room correction. Where are you located? Many here are recommending a MiniDSP, but there’s a learning curve. I would look into an AntiMode 8033 for a simpler EQ solution.

When you say your LP is set in the room according to Dolby arrangement, what do you mean by that? Where is the LP in the room?

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I know this board has more people who are of the "bang for the buck' mindset with both subwoofer and speaker recommendations. But the store I'm dealing with is counter to that philosophy,. they stock the retail brands and only high end ones, I just called the dealer to tell me some alternatives to Jl audio subs, and his recommendation was a Zu Audio sub, since Zu speakers are quite expensive, I dont think a Zu sub would end up being any better value compared to Jl audio, another recommendation was a M&K sound sub , again quite expensive and not a better value. This same dealer I called a while ago and asked him for great speakers for 2 channel music listening,and he directly pointed me to Wilson Audio. He doesn't care about whether the people asking him have that kind of budget or not, he's merciless with his recommendations.
Your dealer cares only for his bottom line and profit margin, hence his “merciless” recommendations.
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I know this board has more people who are of the "bang for the buck' mindset with both subwoofer and speaker recommendations. But the store I'm dealing with is counter to that philosophy,. they stock the retail brands and only high end ones, I just called the dealer to tell me some alternatives to Jl audio subs, and his recommendation was a Zu Audio sub, since Zu speakers are quite expensive, I dont think a Zu sub would end up being any better value compared to Jl audio, another recommendation was a M&K sound sub , again quite expensive and not a better value. This same dealer I called a while ago and asked him for great speakers for 2 channel music listening,and he directly pointed me to Wilson Audio. He doesn't care about whether the people asking him have that kind of budget or not, he's merciless with his recommendations.
JL Audio: Solid product, great customer service, American made, expensive (partially because it uses a dealer model still rather than going direct).
Zu Audio: Poorly measuring product. They are plenty of third party reviews online that can confirm this, including Stereophile.
M&K: M&K is gone after going bankrupt. It was later purchased, and became MKSound. MKSound is not M&K. I have not heard the new MKSound product, but Rob H on AVRant was talking about how the new tweeters measured very poorly.
Wilson Audio: In that realm I'd probably point you to Meridian, I think they sound nicer. I prefer a bit of a laid back sound though, but for that type of money you absolutely have to spend a lot of time demoing.
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Hopefully the dual E112 advice is being given taking into consideration my room is less than 16 x 13 ft in size and 99% of the time I'm watching alone, there are no multiple seating positions. My LP was set in the room according to Dolby speaker arrangement for a 5.1.4 setup and I never move my chair around. So if I could go for a single E112 I would but I hope I don't miss the built in Equalizer on the F112v2. I don't use my receiver's software, the RZ3100 has very good processing but I don't use the receiver software because it tends to make the speakers sound thin. So beyond doing a sub crawl for placement, setting trim level in the receiver using my SPL Meter and distance/delay in the receiver using a laser distance measurer, I won't be able to equalise the E112, unless I look into third party's stuff like rew, which I have no experience with.


So that's where an urge to go for the F112v2 comes from , its built in Equalizer. From a poster above, it certainly doesn't seem the F's amplifier is 2x as powerful as the E , but if the EQ will be worth it, that's what I have to weigh down.
Hey Gerry,

I just wanted to chime in on the reasons to go dual.

First off, going duals does indeed help smooth out response throughout the room. Not "JUST" for various seating positions, but it also helps smooth out any nulls that may occur for the MLP.

Another advantage would be increasing usable headroom (which is usually a 3-6db increase). Couple that with whatever room gain you might be able to achieve, and it should also help them dig a little deeper than their posted ratings vs. just having a single sub.

Also, after looking at the posted specs for both models, IMHO, it wouldn't be worth it to spend almost twice as much on the "F" model just because it has a few hundred extra watts (also because it has the same 21Hz rating that the "E" has) when you can make up for that by having two of the "E" models. And of course, a better overall resonse to the LP, which will make your viewing/listening experience that much more enjoyable.


As an aside, I noticed that you stated that you are limited on options due to your location. I'm certain that if you ask around the forums there might be others that are located near you that could help you find some other options if you feel like you're being handcuffed in your search.

Regardless of what you decide on, you will definitely be happier with two of them. I mean, more bass is always better...right?


Hope this helps,

Darrell


[EDIT] FWIW, my previous AVR was an Onkyo with AccuEQ, and while I'm getting better results with the Denon/Audyssey, I wasn't upset at what I was getting from the Onkyo.

Just some food for thought.

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Dual E112's will cost a little more than 1 f112v2,I just checked, and then I have to add the cost of a mic and minidsp to that. Coupled with the fact that I always sit in the same position and there is nobody else watching with me, also I'm on the second floor (it's my home not an apartment but people living on the floor below me) and I do most of my movie watching at night after 10pm. So I'm passing over the dual idea because of price and listening requirement.
So now down to 1 e112 vs 1 f112v2, the dealer also suggested me a zu audio sub and mksound, but those are expensive and won't be getting me a better value over jl audio so I'm not researching in that direction and trying to audition them. jl audio is what I'll stick to.
To people suggesting the E112, do you have experience of the F112v2, I get that it has a somewhat powerful amplifier than the E but not twice as powerful, and it has its own EQ, my question is ...how much more would you agree to pay for the F112v2 over the E112 based on specifications, built in eq and performance? The NIB F112v2 is being offered at about 1.9 times the price of the E112, but the store is now also offering me an open box F112v2 for 1.5 times the price of the E112. I mean to ask..how much would you be willing to pay more for a F over the E, in us dollar pricing terms?



Whatever model I get, i won't be able to upgrade (or add to) the subwoofer before at least 5 years, so I just want to ensure I do this right the first time.
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Just get the F112v2. I can tell you will have the case of “what if’s” if you don’t.

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I'm confused...

Why are you asking for advice if you're just going to shun all of the advice that's been given?

This is a rhetorical question, so no answer is necessary.

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