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Subwoofer recs for HTS $300-$600

I recently bought a home, and am looking to finish piecing together a surround system for the media room. It's very much a Frankenstein system. The previous owners installed some Sonance in wall/speakers I'll be using as my side and rear surrounds (6" woofer & 1" tweeter) . Unfortunately adding similar ones for the L/C/R speakers will not be possible around the TV since there will be a mounted 75" TV, that wall is very small and already has a lot of existing electrical wiring.

I just bought a GoldenEar Supercinema 3d array XL that I'll be wall mounting to serve as the front 3 speakers. Recommended crossover frequency is 120jz but most reviews I've seen set it St 100hz. I just ordered a refurbished Denon Avr X3400h to drive the system.

The owners installed a subwoofer cubby with rca wire and an outlet measuring W24" x H20" x D30" with an outlet and rca wire back towarda the receiver. It's located on the right of the room about 8' from the TV and 4' in front of the main viewing seats. I will likely have about 10 inches to the left and 16 inches to the right of the entertainment stand if it sounds better to put the woofer there instead.

The room is for the most part 20' x 19' minus a 6'x4' closet that juts into the room. It's fully walled in other than the exit to the stairs which is to the left of the TV.

I am looking to get a woofer that will blend with the system. I splurged on the TV and soundbar so I don't really have that much left to spend on a woofer. I'll likely upgrade if absolutely necessary in the future. But if I can find something that works worth keeping in my current budget, hopefully I won't need to upgrade later. Sorry how wordy this is, but I'm just throwing out as much info as possible that may be useful. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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That's not a small room so IMO you should buy as much sub as you can now and double up later on if/as required.

Options within your budget cap of $600 include:
- Outlaw Audio Ultra-X12 (currently on sale for $579, shipped)
- HSU VTF-2 MK5 (currently on sale for $576, shipped)

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An SVS "Outlet Special" PB-2000 might also fall within budget and there is one currently listed on their website. Unfortunately (and disappointingly) SVS prevents me (and perhaps Canadians in general) from seeing the prices on their website.

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That's not a small room so IMO you should buy as much sub as you can now and double up later on if/as required.

Options within your budget cap of $600 include:
- Outlaw Audio Ultra-X12 (currently on sale for $579, shipped)
- HSU VTF-2 MK5 (currently on sale for $576, shipped)

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An SVS "Outlet Special" PB-2000 might also fall within budget and there is one currently listed on their website. Unfortunately (and disappointingly) SVS prevents me (and perhaps Canadians in general) from seeing the prices on their website.
https://www.svsound.com/collections/outlet-specials

The PB2000 there is $730 ($800 list).

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… The PB200 there is $730 ($800 list).
Thanks. That's more than I expected it would be.
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I'll second that you have a big room.

Does it need to fit in the cubby?

Are you open to DIY? What about a VBSS (PA460) and Behringer NX1000D Amp? You could build one within your budget and add a second later for under $200 as it will run off the same amp. Another DIY option that would fit in the opening is a Dayton UM18-22 with the 4.0 CF sealed enclosure and a Behringer NX1000D amp. Check parts express and the DIY section of this forum for more info, but if you can go DIY, you'll get the most for your money in that large room.

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Ok, that was a big part of my confusion. I saw many threads saying you don't want to get something too big for a small room. But I couldn't find any guidelines on what would put my room in the large vs small category. I'll have to look I to the whole diy thing.

I had looked at the SVS PB 2000. I actually got a quote from the local shop I bought the GoldenEar soundbar for $689. I still have to buy the TV so that is still a little outside my current budget (the $600 I mentioned is stretching it) but it really does get great reviews and the guy at the shop was very high on it. I was just concerned it was a little too big. But now that I know I can look at some larger woofers it opens up what I can use, even if it's just a place holder until next year.

What do you think of the BIC Acoustech PL-200 II to hold me over until next year? I will be watching mostly sports and movies with maybe 20% music, mostly classic rock.
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The BIC is a good $300 sub, it's still a $300 sub so don't expect miracles especially in a room that large. Despite what you think, that's a pretty large room, and I'd really say you'd want a couple of 18" subs for a room that size, but that costs quite a bit. For $300 the BIC's probably your best bet, for $500-600 a DIY 18" option is your best bet.

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With my front speakers being on the small side, is there any need to worry about a larger sub not meshing well with them?
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In regards to the BIC, I saw this in a review "There's a dial for volume that shows Min and Max at the extremes, along with a crossover dial that goes from 30-90Hz in increments of 10Hz. The last control is a toggle to determine where the crossover setting is taken from, either the sub or the receiver. "

So I'd still be able to set the crossover frequency to 100 or 120 hz via the receiver, correct? I have a Denon AVE X3400h coming. Or is setting it up above the native settings not recommended?

I'm also now very intrigued by the idea of building my own sub.
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In regards to the BIC, I saw this in a review "There's a dial for volume that shows Min and Max at the extremes, along with a crossover dial that goes from 30-90Hz in increments of 10Hz. The last control is a toggle to determine where the crossover setting is taken from, either the sub or the receiver. "

So I'd still be able to set the crossover frequency to 100 or 120 hz via the receiver, correct? I have a Denon AVE X3400h coming. Or is setting it up above the native settings not recommended?

I'm also now very intrigued by the idea of building my own sub.
http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.p...e=8&spkrID=145

The BIC is rated to 200 Hz (-3dB). You should be fine with a 120 Hz crossover setting in the receiver.

If you're interested in DIY, the options that I have looked at (but not used) are Parts Express and DIY Sound Group (https://www.diysoundgroup.com). DIYSG sells "flat packs" for the enclosures, but only sealed ones (AFAIK). It looks like the main investment in uncommon tools would be for gluing clamps.
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Put something else in the cubby (equipment?), put the sub in the room.

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I'm also now very intrigued by the idea of building my own sub.
VBSS is what I recommend to fit in your budget. It uses a inexpensive ($100) 18" professional PA driver and is a great value sub - one that has fantastic mid-bass but also dig down deep enough in a 15Hz or 20Hz tuned enclosure. You can build a VBSS with one sheet of 3/4" MDF ($30). A pair can be driven from a Berhinger NX1000D amp, so you could build one and buy the amp to start and add a second sub down the road for around $170.

Here is the master thread (TONS of good info in the master thread):

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...gn-thread.html

Another option would be a 4cf sealed enclosure for the Dayton Ultimax 18-22 18" driver. The Ultimax is a high excursion driver and is a little more expensive ($300) but still a fantastic value. (The $2,400 Seaton F18 uses a slightly modified version of this driver). Parts-Express sells a pre-fabed CNC machined box for this sub, or you could cut your own from MDF and save a little money. Each sub could be powered by a Behringer NX1000D amp or a pair from a NX3000D amp.


The highest output would be from a Marty Sub - beware they are huge - that also uses the Dayton Ultimax driver, but puts it in a large ported box. This gives you huge output for the money, but would probably be a little over budget as the dirver itself is $300 plus you need a Behringer NX3000D amp per Marty Sub.

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I didn't realize Best Buy carried SVS. I could use my BB. card for free financing which would extend my budget till after the holidays. I could probably do either dual PB1000s or PB2000s if I financed.

If I went with the 1000s I could hide one in the cubby and would be able to put the other on either side of the TV.

For the 2000 I'd be limited to one to the right of the TV and the other in the back left corner of the room. I'd have to to set the second one up wirelessly.

As I'd usually be listening slightly below reference level, would dual PB1000s be enough to fill the space? I did some more measurements yesterday and it's about 2600 cu ft. I have dogs, one a little skiddish so I was trying to avoid putting a second sub in the back, since that's over near where they lay down when we watch in there. Thoughts?
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I didn't realize Best Buy carried SVS. I could use my BB. card for free financing which would extend my budget till after the holidays. I could probably do either dual PB1000s or PB2000s if I financed.

If I went with the 1000s I could hide one in the cubby and would be able to put the other on either side of the TV.

For the 2000 I'd be limited to one to the right of the TV and the other in the back left corner of the room. I'd have to to set the second one up wirelessly.

As I'd usually be listening slightly below reference level, would dual PB1000s be enough to fill the space? I did some more measurements yesterday and it's about 2600 cu ft. I have dogs, one a little skiddish so I was trying to avoid putting a second sub in the back, since that's over near where they lay down when we watch in there. Thoughts?
If you can swing it with the BB financing definitely go for dual pb-2000s based on you room size and listening preferences. At near reference in that size space even dual PB-2000s will likely hit there limits at times but I think would do well most of the time. Dual pb-1000s will be significantly underpowered. As far as placement that will be highly room dependent. However it sounds like with the pb-2000 placement you are describing close to opposite diagonal corners which often works well.

Also as noted if you are willing to go DIY you can still get better bang for your buck. DIY isn’t for all (myself included) but for many it works out very well.

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Put something else in the cubby (equipment?), put the sub in the room.

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I looked into those subs and they both seem to get great reviews. Out of the PB1000/2000, LV12F and VTF-2 which would perform best at a crossover frequency of 120 Hz? That's the recommended settings for the front channels of the GoldenEar. I can't seem to find that info online.
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Svs has the PB12 new in the outlet for $499. Is that the best deal out there? Or is it worth the extra hundred bucks to get the Rhythmik or Hsu?
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Svs has the PB12 new in the outlet for $499. Is that the best deal out there? Or is it worth the extra hundred bucks to get the Rhythmik or Hsu?
I think you would do very well with the PB12-NSD for $499! I got one for my parents a couple years ago, and it acquits itself quite well in a considerably larger room than yours.

I tested it for awhile in my own system, and it performed very well in my 1815 cu ft room (for reference, I normally run dual 18" PSA S1801's).

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