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DSP subwoofers vs non-DSP

I might be in the market for a new subwoofer for a music only application - in future, so no need for advise now. I have often seen mention of some subwoofers having DSP and others no DSP. Those discussions have little to no information on the pros/cons of DSP. At least I found none. Reading between the lines, it looks as if DSP mainly affords protection from blowing the subwoofer while non DSP give you more control over setting the subwoofer for different controls like dampening, although I do not know what that does.

I am wondering: 1) what are the pros/cons of DSP, 2) what Q controls and other settings some subwoofers have etc do for the sound and set-up and can you not do that for DSP subwoofers and 3) what are some examples of popular subwoofers that are and are not DSP - I think the PSA and SVS are DSP and the Hsu and Rythmik are not, is that right?

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One thing to note is that DSP amp adds additional ~5-9ms delay (~ 5-9ft) to your MLP. It could be a big issue if you don’t have subs placement options and if you own a 2 channel pre-amp/AVR that does not have room correction.
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I might be in the market for a new subwoofer for a music only application - in future, so no need for advise now. I have often seen mention of some subwoofers having DSP and others no DSP. Those discussions have little to no information on the pros/cons of DSP. At least I found none. Reading between the lines, it looks as if DSP mainly affords protection from blowing the subwoofer while non DSP give you more control over setting the subwoofer for different controls like dampening, although I do not know what that does.

I am wondering: 1) what are the pros/cons of DSP, 2) what Q controls and other settings some subwoofers have etc do for the sound and set-up and can you not do that for DSP subwoofers and 3) what are some examples of popular subwoofers that are and are not DSP - I think the PSA and SVS are DSP and the Hsu and Rythmik are not, is that right?
I have 2 JTR's and 2 Rythmiks in my hybrid setup. I can use the Rythmiks for music because they have no delay and have no DSP. The JTR's DSP makes the bass come out too late to use. There are some complicated ways around this. If you want the best sounding, easiest to use sub for music you need to call Rythmik and speak to Enrico. I have owned many many subs in the last 4 years. Rythmik for music has no equal, period.

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One thing to note is that DSP amp adds additional ~5-9ms delay (~ 5-9ft) to your MLP. It could be a big issue if you don’t have subs placement options and if you own a 2 channel pre-amp/AVR that does not have room correction.

For many DSP'ed subs that may be true, higher end processors are much better than that. Our dsp system for example adds a system latency of only 0.6ms(about 8")
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^^ That is good to know. It explains why FA is excellent and carries a higher price tags. I hope to hear a FA sub some day.
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For many DSP'ed subs that may be true, higher end processors are much better than that. Our dsp system for example adds a system latency of only 0.6ms(about 8")
Had I known this you would have sold me a couple of subs a few weeks back...dang.

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Had I known this you would have sold me a couple of subs a few weeks back...dang.



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Never too late Greg with all the subs you have ordered you owe it to yourself to listen to Funk subs.


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Had I known this you would have sold me a couple of subs a few weeks back...dang.

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With all that high end gear you own how could you not have Funk Audio subs in your system???

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With all that high end gear you own how could you not have Funk Audio subs in your system???

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@muscles you should have D Flawless, instead of G VVS1 or H VVS2
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With all that high end gear you own how could you not have Funk Audio subs in your system???

I actually never really gave it much thought. It's a hard product to get information on and to even find people who have used/heard them. I looked at their output charts and they don't blow the competition away. They must sound incredible, but the price is astronomical. I am not saying I will never own them, they have just eluded my search for bass thus far. I am limited by width of subs to about 21" in my current room. I should be moving into a new house within a year, who knows what will happen then.



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