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I was wondering how well the SVS PB-2000 does with music.

My Adire Rava finally quit after many many years, maybe over 20 years ago.. It has been a great sub, did the job well. Time to get a new sub. I thinking about the SVS PB-2000. I was more into music then. I'm more into 50% movies, 50% music these day. I looking for more bass then the Rava. Thought maybe going with a ported sub this time

I was wondering how well the SVS PB-2000 does with music.
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My Adire Rava finally quit after many many years, maybe over 20 years ago.. It has been a great sub, did the job well. Time to get a new sub. I thinking about the SVS PB-2000. I was more into music then. I'm more into 50% movies, 50% music these day. I looking for more bass then the Rava. Thought maybe going with a ported sub this time

I was wondering how well the SVS PB-2000 does with music.

I have a PC12+ and think it's very good with music. SVS makes it easy to hear for yourself with their 45 day trial period with shipping included.

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My Adire Rava finally quit after many many years, maybe over 20 years ago.. It has been a great sub, did the job well. Time to get a new sub. I thinking about the SVS PB-2000. I was more into music then. I'm more into 50% movies, 50% music these day. I looking for more bass then the Rava. Thought maybe going with a ported sub this time

I was wondering how well the SVS PB-2000 does with music.
SVS subs tend not to have as great a reputation for music as they do for HT, especially the ported ones.

For 50/50 use I would look at Monolith, Rythmik, or Hsu instead.

However, if looking at the PB2000 you may want to check out the PB12-NSD which is supposedly equivalent to it, on BF sale for $500 every November. But I'd be quick since they usually sell out by Christmas.

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Well my PB-4000 is every bit as musical as my Axiom EP-500 sealed sub and that's running it in extended mode. It does have a slight heavier sound to it which I like so it's really going to be subjective, you preference may not be the same as anyone here giving advice.

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How do you define a sub that does well with music and not HT? Or vice versa? In both cases, doesn't the sub have to accurately reproduce the signal it's fed?
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I'm on my 4th sub, 3 were high quality subs and 1 was a low quality.

The cheap one didn't do well in either.

The two high quality sealed subs Axion EP-500 and Velodyne I had did wonderful with music but couldn't move me in home theater, just didn't have the oomph in the less than 20hz that i wanted.

The PB-4000 does it all, wonderful with music and with lots of tactile.


So long story short it comes down to a good quality sub vs a not good quality sub not the different brands.

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Thanks everyone for the reply's. It a tough decision, It seems I just keep moving up the price line to try and get what I might need. Now looking at the PB 3000. One thing good going with SVS is they have the Bill of Rights deal, so hassle free if the first sub doesn't work out.
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Thanks everyone for the reply's. It a tough decision, It seems I just keep moving up the price line to try and get what I might need. Now looking at the PB 3000. One thing good going with SVS is they have the Bill of Rights deal, so hassle free if the first sub doesn't work out.
In the SVS line my experience is that as you move up bass quality/articulation does improve. I have had PB-1000, PC-2000, PC12 Plus (predecessor to 3000 series), PC-4000. There was an improvement from the PB-1000 (which I don't think is particularly "musical") to the PB-2000 and again to the PC12-Plus. Not much difference at least in quality moving from PC12-Plus to PC-4000. Both are very good. The PB-3000 sounds like an all around excellent sub from what I have read and is probably safe from a music standpoint. I would imagine Rythmik subs at any price point are very articulate. So if your into the PB-3000 price point definitely give something like the Rythmik FV15HP a look. Not as much tech as the SVS but from a sound quality standpoint it gets nothing but rave reviews for both movies and music.
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Like confinoj, I've owned all ported SVS models at some point. Biggest jump in quality was definitely PB2000->PB12-Plus. After that its's mostly just output. Supposedly the 3000 series is better than the 12 plus all around so I wouldn't go lower than that if you want to stick with SVS. Otherwise maybe post in the Rythmik thread and see what they suggest.

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I had been thinking of going with Rythmik for a more musical sub. They have a pretty full product offering of 8" subs up to 18" in sealed and ported.
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I do like the idea of the option of a sealed or ported in the same sub, maybe there are some other brands similar to the SVS PB 3000 with this option.
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SVS subs tend not to have as great a reputation for music as they do for HT, especially the ported ones.

For 50/50 use I would look at Monolith, Rythmik, or Hsu instead.

However, if looking at the PB2000 you may want to check out the PB12-NSD which is supposedly equivalent to it, on BF sale for $500 every November. But I'd be quick since they usually sell out by Christmas.
I don't remember the numbers, but, the PB12-NSD and SB12-NSD slot between the 1000 and 2000 series in output. But, the PB12-NSD is a deal, and will sell out quickly, as you noted.

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I don't remember the numbers, but, the PB12-NSD and SB12-NSD slot between the 1000 and 2000 series in output.
Huh, I had the impression the 2000 series were just a "slight" improvement over the PB12 and SB12. But since you probably frequent the Subs forum a lot more often than I do, I am more likely to be wrong.

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Huh, I had the impression the 2000 series were just a "slight" improvement over the PB12 and SB12. But since you probably frequent the Subs forum a lot more often than I do, I am more likely to be wrong.
Yeah, since I don't remember the details, I probably shouldn't have commented, but Ed Mullen, of SVS commented on the SVS thread that the newer ones have 3 db more output above a certain point(about 30 Hz, iirc), extend a little lower, and have better SQ.
They are still bargains when they come out, and I don't see the new ones being being worth $300 more.

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I have a PB-2000 and it's pretty good for hip-hop and some good thumb here and there but as others have said, it is not very articulate at all.. If you are aligning yourself with more musicality, I'd choose Rythmik. I've got one of those too, and she's super smooth and tight sounding.

As far as the both sealed and ported..I *think* a Rythmik sub does that..as far as inserting plugs and making the sub sealed..but someone more knowledgable than I has better info on this...

Sides' that - you should check out PSA's new offerings - he's a bit backed up but he has some crazy good subs that I hear are the best of both worlds...no plugging however..lol




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My Adire Rava finally quit after many many years, maybe over 20 years ago.. It has been a great sub, did the job well. Time to get a new sub. I thinking about the SVS PB-2000. I was more into music then. I'm more into 50% movies, 50% music these day. I looking for more bass then the Rava. Thought maybe going with a ported sub this time

I was wondering how well the SVS PB-2000 does with music.
Note that they just replaced the 2000 series with a vastly improved, (it seems), Pro 2000 series.

https://www.svsound.com/collections/2000-pro-series

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I have to chime in here. I will preface this with I am probably considered an enthusiast in the lunatic fringe of audio. I have had over 10 subwoofers in the last 2 years. Of all the ones I had the PB2000 was the worst sounding sub in every metric. That being said it was also the least expensive. I am not sure how it does against other subs in that price range, but if you have heard any higher end subs you are going to be disappointed in the sound it produces. In comparison it was a large, noise making box. I am not saying people don't love it, just in comparison to everything else I was testing it was an easy dead last for me. Just keeping it honest.

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I have to chime in here. I will preface this with I am probably considered an enthusiast in the lunatic fringe of audio. I have had over 10 subwoofers in the last 2 years. Of all the ones I had the PB2000 was the worst sounding sub in every metric. That being said it was also the least expensive. I am not sure how it does against other subs in that price range, but if you have heard any higher end subs you are going to be disappointed in the sound it produces. In comparison it was a large, noise making box. I am not saying people don't love it, just in comparison to everything else I was testing it was an easy dead last for me. Just keeping it honest.

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5 years 500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $700 SVS SB2000 (extension from Sound & Vision)
5 years 500watts =18w21hx23d= 66 lbs 12" [18hz] $800 SVS PB2000 , (extension from Sound & Vision)

5 years 550watts =14w15h16d= 35 lbs 12" [18hz] $800 SVS SB 2000 PRO
5 years 550watts =17w21h24d= 66 lbs 12" [16hz] $900 SVS PB 2000 PRO
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Good deal, I need to go check them out.


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Note that they just replaced the 2000 series with a vastly improved, (it seems), Pro 2000 series.

https://www.svsound.com/collections/2000-pro-series
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So the PB-2000 Pro has sealed mode, Might be what I'm looking for.
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Good deal, I need to go check them out.
$100 for the SmartApp is worth the additional cost even if they were identical in power/driver design but they are not.

Velodyne I believe pioneered built in sub eq over a decade ago and the other manufacturers have caught on and are offering even more sophisticated EQ options on much less expensive subs.

So that is clearly where the market is headed.
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Ported subs got a deservedly bad reputation for music in the 80's and 90's because most of the brick/mortar subs available back then were simply really poor designs with egg-shaped FR curves, high distortion, and high port tuning (~35 Hz) and poor output linearity in the deeper octave. Actually - come to think of it - most of them still are pretty bad subs. :-)

Our sealed subwoofers do have an edge in time domain behavior - without the ringing exhibited with the porting system at/near port tuning (this can be seen as the 'tail of the comet' in a 3-D spectral chart). With that said, if the port tuning is sufficiently deep (say 20 Hz or even 16 Hz), the ringing will not occur over the common music bandwidth, and the GD curves of our sealed/ported subs are often very similar down to about 28 Hz (where they will then start to diverge).

Our sealed subwoofers also have a different FR than their ported counterparts - and that alone will alter their subjective sonic signatures. We design our sealed subs for a broad gradual roll-off slope starting in the low 30 Hz range, which will take best advantage of available room gain in small/medium size room.

The combination of the edge in time domain behavior and the optimized FR will typically be subjectively favored by the serious music listener who tend to overwhelming favor sealed subwoofers. But as others have stated above, our ported subs acquit themselves nicely on music too.
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My old Adire rava pooped out on me. So I'm waiting for reviews on the PB2000 pro. In the mean time I have a $100 Polk ported Subwoofer I picked up on sale from Best buy a while back, so thought I would give it a try. I have the Velodyne SMS-1 Room Correction device, and was able to get the response flat with just a couple of filters. Now this sub only goes down to about 40, drops pretty fast from 40 on down, but I was able to get this flat 40 on up with the Velodyne SMS. This sub is awesome for music, I can hear every bass note, great detail, Even at low volumes it sounds awesome. I think if you can get pretty flat response any sub can sound good.

I'm still looking forward to picking up the PB2000 pro. I'm sure that will go even lower.

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And now the cheap Polk sub woofer is about to crash, it cuts in and out, Bass, no Bass.

So for now I'm down to just the Rti A7's on their own, and I just realized these speakers have awesome bass coming out of them.

I have been running a sub with them since I got the a few years back. When I first got them the bass seemed lacking, felt I needed a sub. I guess they broke in and didn't know it.

I used the Velodyne SMS-1 Room Correction device just to see the response, and get them positioned the best for flat response. Setting the rear speakers to small, flattened things out more. Might not be the best for movies, but great for music. It's hard to believe I don't even have a subwoofer connected. But I sill think I need a sub for movies. The Rti A7's are only getting down to about 35 HZ
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